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Praxeas 09-12-2010 06:08 PM

Why not go Charismatic?
 
I think we should. I was just thinking about the threads on preaching against sin or preaching on hell. If we had the gifts operating would we need to? The Lord can just speak to the Pastor or someone about another person's sins and the pastor can confront that person in private. I know if I was living in sin that would get my attention.

Or a powerful message in tongues and interpretation? We can let the Lord do it while the preachers just preach other things.

BTW where do the gifts really operate? What kind of church?

seekerman 09-12-2010 07:32 PM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 962076)
I think we should. I was just thinking about the threads on preaching against sin or preaching on hell. If we had the gifts operating would we need to? The Lord can just speak to the Pastor or someone about another person's sins and the pastor can confront that person in private. I know if I was living in sin that would get my attention.

Or a powerful message in tongues and interpretation? We can let the Lord do it while the preachers just preach other things.

BTW where do the gifts really operate? What kind of church?

The gifts today operate very rarely, be it oneness Pentecostal, trinitarian Pentecostal or charismatic type 'churches'. Going charismatic doesn't cause the gifts to be more frequent any more than charismatics going Pentecostal would cause the gifts to be more frequent.

The gifts operate in the lives of individuals, not some religious organization or label.

coadie 09-12-2010 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 962095)
The gifts today operate very rarely, be it oneness Pentecostal, trinitarian Pentecostal or charismatic type 'churches'. Going charismatic doesn't cause the gifts to be more frequent any more than charismatics going Pentecostal would cause the gifts to be more frequent.

The gifts operate in the lives of individuals, not some religious organization or label.

You are hanging out in the wrong places. We are actually seeing more signs and wonders and all 9 categories of gifts.

Praxeas 09-12-2010 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 962095)
The gifts today operate very rarely, be it oneness Pentecostal, trinitarian Pentecostal or charismatic type 'churches'. Going charismatic doesn't cause the gifts to be more frequent any more than charismatics going Pentecostal would cause the gifts to be more frequent.

The gifts operate in the lives of individuals, not some religious organization or label.

I wasn't using the word Charismatic doctrinally, but rather to emphasize the gifts. I think we need to emphasize the gifts more, let them operate and expect them.

Aquila 09-13-2010 06:26 AM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
It depends on what one means by "charismatic". In a way, we already are. However, if you're talking about keeping doctrine (Oneness of God and Acts 2:38 salvation) and dropping antiquated "standards", I could support it.

pelathais 09-13-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 962102)
You are hanging out in the wrong places. We are actually seeing more signs and wonders and all 9 categories of gifts.

Yeah. And more souls added, the dead are raised and the lame are walking. Wherever coadie is is where it's happening!

The rest of you are just unlearned and ignorant.

coadie 09-13-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 962238)
Yeah. And more souls added, the dead are raised and the lame are walking. Wherever coadie is is where it's happening!

The rest of you are just unlearned and ignorant.

Then we have the darwinists that lost the gifts of Knowledge and wisdom
They peddle the fairy tale of life from non life.

DAII 09-13-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 962238)
Yeah. And more souls added, the dead are raised and the lame are walking. Wherever coadie is is where it's happening!

The rest of you are just unlearned and ignorant.

All tempered by Coadie's inability to deliver the goods ...

Like his inability to show how Pastor Sims was a union leader ...

Or his assertion that all psychoanalysts are medical doctors.

The little Farceur is reminiscent of a charlatan selling Wonder Jarabe as a panacea, from behind his covered wagon ... with the assistance his under-secretary (who also licks his mail.)

coadie 09-13-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 962339)
All tempered by Coadie's inability to deliver the goods ...:hijacked

Like his inability to show how Pastor Sims was a union leader ...

Or his assertion that all psychoanalysts are medical doctors.

The little Farceur is reminiscent of charlatans selling Wonder Jarabe as a panacea, from behind their covered wagons with the assistance of his under-secretary

:hijacked

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I think we should. I was just thinking about the threads on preaching against sin or preaching on hell.
Bad day at school?

DAII 09-13-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 962138)
It depends on what one means by "charismatic". In a way, we already are. However, if you're talking about keeping doctrine (Oneness of God and Acts 2:38 salvation) and dropping antiquated "standards", I could support it.

And adding your universalism?

Admin 09-13-2010 03:11 PM

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coadie and DAII

This is a public warning!

Please stop with the insults back and forth one to another.

If it doesn't stop - you'll both be sent on vacation.

pelathais 09-13-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 962246)
Then we have the darwinists that lost the gifts of Knowledge and wisdom
They peddle the fairy tale of life from non life.

Genesis 3:19

"... for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

pelathais 09-13-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Admin (Post 962361)
caodie and DAII

This is a public warning!

Please stop with the insults back and forth one to another.

If it doesn't stop - you'll both be sent on vacation.

Wait a minute... I'm just getting caught up. Warn me too!

Cindy 09-13-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Admin (Post 962361)
coadie and DAII

This is a public warning!

Please stop with the insults back and forth one to another.

If it doesn't stop - you'll both be sent on vacation.

My favorite cop!! :toofunny

BTW you misspelled coadie. :D

Cindy 09-13-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 962366)
Wait a minute... I'm just getting caught up. Warn me too!

:toofunny

coadie 09-13-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 962375)
My favorite cop!! :toofunny

BTW you misspelled coadie. :D

It doesn't bother me.

Praxeas 09-14-2010 12:54 AM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
Back to the topic anyone?

seekerman 09-14-2010 05:29 AM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 962118)
I wasn't using the word Charismatic doctrinally, but rather to emphasize the gifts. I think we need to emphasize the gifts more, let them operate and expect them.

I agree the gifts should be operating within the body of Christ much more than the rare and sporadic occurrences which we see today. To have the gifts working would bring many who don't know Christ into relationship with Him and would also strengthen the faith of those who do know Him. Within my lifetime I guess Bro. Branham operated with more of the gifts than anyone else I'm aware of. I'm not sure why....maybe it's just a God choosing whom He will and bestowing the gifts according to His knowledge and wisdom. And no, I'm not a 'Branhamite'.

My guess is that the gifts are generally not present within the body because of a lack of dedication and consecration to God though....at least that's probably the reason I don't see them in my personal life as I would like. Truly operating in the gifts is serious business with God and aren't for show, profit or the exaltation of the individual.

Praxeas 09-14-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 962615)
I agree the gifts should be operating within the body of Christ much more than the rare and sporadic occurrences which we see today. To have the gifts working would bring many who don't know Christ into relationship with Him and would also strengthen the faith of those who do know Him. Within my lifetime I guess Bro. Branham operated with more of the gifts than anyone else I'm aware of. I'm not sure why....maybe it's just a God choosing whom He will and bestowing the gifts according to His knowledge and wisdom. And no, I'm not a 'Branhamite'.

My guess is that the gifts are generally not present within the body because of a lack of dedication and consecration to God though....at least that's probably the reason I don't see them in my personal life as I would like. Truly operating in the gifts is serious business with God and aren't for show, profit or the exaltation of the individual.

Im sure some would say T.W. Barnes did too, he just never got the same noteriety

Ironically, the Corinthian Church apparently operated in the gifts but Paul made them out to be carnal christians

KWSS1976 09-14-2010 03:16 PM

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I went to my parents baptist church one Sunday and the next Sunday the preacher said they were going to have a healing service and I about fell out of my chair.. He even said that it was not customary of a baptist church to have that kind of service..He said bring someone that was sick...That reminds me I need to ak my parents how that came out..

Praxeas 09-14-2010 03:18 PM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
There is a baptist church in town here that we held a service with to celebrate Pentecost.

The Pastor received the HG in a PAW growing up. Word is several members of his congregation have the HG too.

houstonupci 09-14-2010 05:29 PM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
Where are the Gifts operating in Houston? I go to a UPC church and the Gifts are allowed to operate sporadically. I believe it's from a lack of understanding.

seekerman 09-14-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 962844)
There is a baptist church in town here that we held a service with to celebrate Pentecost.

The Pastor received the HG in a PAW growing up. Word is several members of his congregation have the HG too.

What do you mean by "have the HG".

Jack Shephard 09-14-2010 09:36 PM

Re: Why not go Charismatic?
 
Me thinks that God is always moving and talking for us to hear Him. When someone is "in tune" enough for the "gifts" to be used through them it is a shock it seems. I know that I have been used in the gifts at times before but mainly in private settings not public ones like a church service.


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