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DAII 09-21-2010 10:05 PM

UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges
 
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/articl...-sex-with-teen

NEWARK — A former Millersport church pastor accused of having sex with a 16-year-old congregant was released from jail after posting bond Monday.

Daniel L. Monk, 47, last known address 1025 Kelly Drive, Hebron, was charged with sexual battery, a third-degree felony, after reportedly admitting to kissing and engaging in sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old girl at least twice, according to court records.

On Aug. 28, the Hebron Police Department received a call from the girl’s mother, saying she had noticed an inappropriate relationship between her daughter and Monk, Hebron police Lt. Larry Brooks said.

Monk resigned as the pastor at Souls Harbor Pentecostal Church, 12180 Lancaster St., Millersport, and surrendered his license that affiliated him with the Pentecostal church about a week before his arrest, said J. Mark Jordan, supervisor of the United Pentecostal Church’s Ohio District. Monk and his family founded the church about five years ago, he added.

“We’re very distraught about this situation,” Jordan said.

Monk, who had counseled the girl, had sent the girl text messages at odd hours of the morning, according to court records. The mother also caught her daughter sneaking out of the house to meet him at 5:30 a.m., according to court records.


More here: http://www.newarkadvocate.com/articl...-sex-with-teen

Jack Shephard 09-21-2010 10:16 PM

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This is too sad, but also all too common across many demoninational lines.

Liberal 09-21-2010 10:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965542)
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/articl...-sex-with-teen

NEWARK — A former Millersport church pastor accused of having sex with a 16-year-old congregant was released from jail after posting bond Monday.

Daniel L. Monk, 47, last known address 1025 Kelly Drive, Hebron, was charged with sexual battery, a third-degree felony, after reportedly admitting to kissing and engaging in sexual intercourse with a 16-year-old girl at least twice, according to court records.

On Aug. 28, the Hebron Police Department received a call from the girl’s mother, saying she had noticed an inappropriate relationship between her daughter and Monk, Hebron police Lt. Larry Brooks said.

Monk resigned as the pastor at Souls Harbor Pentecostal Church, 12180 Lancaster St., Millersport, and surrendered his license that affiliated him with the Pentecostal church about a week before his arrest, said J. Mark Jordan, supervisor of the United Pentecostal Church’s Ohio District. Monk and his family founded the church about five years ago, he added.

“We’re very distraught about this situation,” Jordan said.

Monk, who had counseled the girl, had sent the girl text messages at odd hours of the morning, according to court records. The mother also caught her daughter sneaking out of the house to meet him at 5:30 a.m., according to court records.


More here: http://www.newarkadvocate.com/articl...-sex-with-teen



I just don't like it when things like this become internet fodder. For all we know, this man could be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT innocent and is being revenged for a decision someone didn't like. OR...maybe he's guilty. I would love for this kind of thing to be silenced until his due process takes place.

I know, I know, I'm living in a dream world because this man will be thrashed on forums like this, but before you say a single word about it, just consider that there are times when innocent people are accused. If he is guilty, he will pay dearly.

DAII 09-21-2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberal (Post 965549)
I just don't like it when things like this become internet fodder. For all we know, this man could be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT innocent and is being revenged for a decision someone didn't like. OR...maybe he's guilty. I would love for this kind of thing to be silenced until his due process takes place.

I know, I know, I'm living in a dream world because this man will be thrashed on forums like this, but before you say a single word about it, just consider that there are times when innocent people are accused. If he is guilty, he will pay dearly.

According to the article he has admitted to authorities to having sexual intercourse with the 16 year old at least twice .... and also kissing her AS HER BOYFRIEND!

Quote:

On Sept. 7, police interviewed Monk and he admitted to being the girl’s “boyfriend,” according to court records. He also told police they had kissed and had sex on at least two occasions between April 30 and Sept. 1, according to court records.
Methinks your agenda ... is plain. Cry FOUL and vilify the evil forum that hates pastors!

100% innocent, Liberal ??????... GUFFAW.

Yes, I hope due process is what happens here.

Hush, one of the good ol' boys might mess up our groove.

Once again, the weak, the disenfranchised and victim is not even factored into the conversation.

Liberal 09-21-2010 10:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965550)
According to the article he has admitted to authorities to having sexual intercourse with the 16 year old at least twice .... and also kissing her AS HER BOYFRIEND!

Methinks your agenda ... is plain. Cry FOUL and vilify the evil forum that hates pastors!

100% innocent, Liberal ??????... GUFFAW.

Yes, I hope due process is what happens here.


In the bond hearing the only thing he said was that he had been accused of saying things he hadn't said. Don't "Guffaw" something like that. It does happen. As a pastor, I have in fact, helped defend a man that was caught up in a similar situation and eventually he was vindicated...but not before his life was destroyed. DAII, it does happen. Let due process occur before you hang the man. Hundreds of men on death row have been cleared by DNA evidence in America. Shockingly, our system does occasionally get it wrong. And for goodness' sake, newspapers certainly get it wrong occasionally.

I have no agenda except a desire for the truth. No need for you to come after me, claiming an "Agenda." And I did not say he is 100% innocent...I said he could be. Why? Because he could be.

The agenda you accuse me of isn't even close to the truth. You don't know me and have no idea what my heart is. Don't assume you do.

Praxeas 09-22-2010 01:59 AM

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I agree with Liberal. Let due process take it's course

Aquila 09-22-2010 07:48 AM

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If it were you... wouldn't you want due process? What if they are baseless accusations? Now... to report it after the facts are found and he's convicted... go for it.

Here's my question... obviously this young lady was leaving the house and meeting with him. What was she thinking. A 16 year old girl! Did she throw herself at him? Did she seduce him? She carries some of the blame here too.

coadie 09-22-2010 08:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liberal (Post 965549)
I just don't like it when things like this become internet fodder. For all we know, this man could be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT innocent and is being revenged for a decision someone didn't like. OR...maybe he's guilty. I would love for this kind of thing to be silenced until his due process takes place.

I know, I know, I'm living in a dream world because this man will be thrashed on forums like this, but before you say a single word about it, just consider that there are times when innocent people are accused. If he is guilty, he will pay dearly.

He could be innocent. Was she sneaking out of the house to go have a bowl of cereal with him at 5:30 AM?
This case is why Liberals are fighting to lower the age of consent.

ILG 09-22-2010 08:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liberal (Post 965549)
I just don't like it when things like this become internet fodder. For all we know, this man could be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT innocent and is being revenged for a decision someone didn't like. OR...maybe he's guilty. I would love for this kind of thing to be silenced until his due process takes place.

I know, I know, I'm living in a dream world because this man will be thrashed on forums like this, but before you say a single word about it, just consider that there are times when innocent people are accused. If he is guilty, he will pay dearly.

Generally innocent people don't admit guilt.

Sick.

scotty 09-22-2010 08:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965550)
Once again, the weak, the disenfranchised and victim is not even factored into the conversation.

This is funny, in a sad sort of way. I have three daughters, 16, 13 and 10. They are hardly "weak" or "disenfranchised". Children today are not like children of our day. They know more and desire more than I ever did at their age. Don't get me wrong, the pastor here needs help, but so does the child. Don't let the term "teenager" fool you, they are smarter and more cunning than you are Apostolic. :thumbsup

ILG 09-22-2010 08:22 AM

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So, some people are saying the guy didn't admit guilt? Well then, if it's just an accusation, yes, let the process work it's way through. The article said he admitted guilt. If that's the case, the guy is depraved.

DAII 09-22-2010 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 965601)
If it were you... wouldn't you want due process? What if they are baseless accusations? Now... to report it after the facts are found and he's convicted... go for it.

Here's my question... obviously this young lady was leaving the house and meeting with him. What was she thinking. A 16 year old girl! Did she throw herself at him? Did she seduce him? She carries some of the blame here too.

Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images...alik-Hasan.JPG

That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old MINOR can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.

DAII 09-22-2010 08:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965617)
This is funny, in a sad sort of way. I have three daughters, 16, 13 and 10. They are hardly "weak" or "disenfranchised". Children today are not like children of our day. They know more and desire more than I ever did at their age. Don't get me wrong, the pastor here needs help, but so does the child. Don't let the term "teenager" fool you, they are smarter and more cunning than you are Apostolic. :thumbsup

Now minors, in the Apostolica, are adults if they're teens and sexually curious ... but hardly weak in the hands of a manipulator who may use his status of trust to prey on them... gotcha.

That you would somehow bring your daughters into your argument troubles me.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 08:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 965612)
He could be innocent. Was she sneaking out of the house to go have a bowl of cereal with him at 5:30 AM?
This case is why Liberals are fighting to lower the age of consent.


:ursofunny

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 08:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965622)
Outrageous ... the first few posts on this thread.

As a libertarian, I more than believe that any alleged suspect in a crime is innocent until proven guilty and record shows I'm ALL FOR DUE PROCESS IN THIS CASE or ANY CASE.

But the calls to silence these type of threads is all but SICKENING ....
Same thing happened even when 12 jurors (the defendants own peers) found Pastor Fogarty guilty for slandering Angela Driver ... cat calls for "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS HERE!"

It makes one very cynical and suspicious as to motive...

I could post dozens of court cases we've discussed and "thrashed" where the alleged has all but "admitted" to the crime ...

Remember this guy we've discussed AD NAUSEUM? As it stands ... RIGHT NOW ... OFFICIALLY HE'S INNOCENT.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/images...alik-Hasan.JPG

That said ...

I've combed through articles regarding this Monk case ... Liberal ... and can you tell me the link or inside source you have where Monk told the judge he was essentially set up ... by either his accusers, the local police and/or the district attorney or that somehow the court documents stating his admission to being her "boyfriend" was done under duress.

Really?

1. As it stands, the only charge this 'minister' is facing is sexual battery. Why because apparently, in Ohio, a 16 year old can consent to sex with a married man ... or any man for that matter.

2. If I read the article correctly, the police were able to file charges only when they could prove he is a man in "authority" or of the cloth. Thus, the sexual battery charge.

It's mind boggling that Aquila would get on here too ... and somehow blame a child for this heinous act of mistrust allegedly perpetrated by a man who is married and who most likely used his authority and trust to prey on a family that was going through a divorce and prey on the weakest among them.

I don't care if the girl was in her birthday suit, spread eagle ... it in no way vindicates what has happened here.


Who is the guy in your picture Dan?

DAII 09-22-2010 08:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965631)
Who is the guy in your picture Dan?

Major Hassan ... US Army major behind Fort Hood murders who expressed sympathy for Islamic terrorists

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...#ixzz10GVDvnOw

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 08:39 AM

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He surrendered his license.

He knew this was coming and he knew he was guilty.

The only innocent parties involved in this case are the families of the adulterers and the church that this guy and his family founded.


This is so sad to read-- and quite baffling.

No one is above the attacks of satan or immune from the out of bounds desires of the flesh.

scotty 09-22-2010 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965624)
Now minors, in the Apostolica, are adults if they're teens and sexually curious ... but hardly weak in the hands of a manipulator who may use his status of trust to prey on them... gotcha.

That you would somehow bring your daughters into your argument troubles me.

Who manipulated who DA ? Does the article say ? Once again, the pastor was way wrong here. But to play off the girl as being a brainwashed angel is ignorance to the world and generation we live in.

It troubles you because you have no experience in this area. But we could reserve that question for you to answer, why exactly does it trouble you DA ? This is life as a father of daughters. I am very proud of my girls and love them dearly, but that does not blind me to the reality we live in. I have learned that the hard way. Maybe you will too one day.

rgcraig 09-22-2010 08:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965624)
Now minors, in the Apostolica, are adults if they're teens and sexually curious ... but hardly weak in the hands of a manipulator who may use his status of trust to prey on them... gotcha.

That you would somehow bring your daughters into your argument troubles me.

I understand what he's saying.

16 year olds aren't the innocent sweethearts of our day. He understands the guy was a perv.

What I see often is young ladies (teenagers) without fathers in their lives and they are looking to be loved and accepted. The sad realization is that many of them (especially at 16 on up) equate love with sex. This jerk showed her some attention, she wants to be loved by a man (father), he's a perv and takes advantage of the situation.

I understand what scotty is saying. Even though it's considered statutory rape, it appears she was willing and that to me is extremely SAD, SAD, SAD and very unfortunate. So many of these girls need fathers and they need to be taught that sex isn't love.

DAII 09-22-2010 08:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965637)
Who manipulated who DA ? Does the article say ? Once again, the pastor was way wrong here. But to play off the girl as being a brainwashed angel is ignorance to the world and generation we live in.

It troubles you because you have no experience in this area. But we could reserve that question for you to answer, why exactly does it trouble you DA ? This is life as a father of daughters. I am very proud of my girls and love them dearly, but that does not blind me to the reality we live in. I have learned that the hard way. Maybe you will too one day.

Scotty, I am very aware of the sexual promiscuity we've had in this country for more than 40 -50 years ...

but to question of who manipulated who still troubles me ...

A married 47 year man ... and minister of the Gospel is somehow on the same level as 16 year old receiving "counsel" during her parent's divorce from her pastor.

Sorry they're not equals in this equation.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 08:53 AM

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What about this Pastor's family?

What about the souls of this child's parents?

What about the girl's soul?

What about the congregation?


What about the wife that worked so hard, side by side with her husband in this work of time and eternity?

What about his children?

scotty 09-22-2010 08:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 965642)
Scotty, I am very aware of the sexual promiscuity we've had in this country for more than 40 -50 years ...

but to question of who manipulated who still troubles me ...

A married 47 year man ... and minister of the Gospel is somehow on the same level as 16 year old receiving "counsel" during her parent's divorce from her pastor.

It should trouble you, it should trouble you to tears. It has me on many nights. To hear a 16 yr old girl make the statement, "I would have had sex with him if I thought thats what it would take to keep him". To find a 13yr old talking about "making love" to her 13yr old boyfriend. Im glad this troubles you, those of us who have been troubled by it for some time now need more like you who don't have a clue whats going on to wake up to it and help us pray.

ILG 09-22-2010 08:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965617)
This is funny, in a sad sort of way. I have three daughters, 16, 13 and 10. They are hardly "weak" or "disenfranchised". Children today are not like children of our day. They know more and desire more than I ever did at their age. Don't get me wrong, the pastor here needs help, but so does the child. Don't let the term "teenager" fool you, they are smarter and more cunning than you are Apostolic. :thumbsup

The 16 year old is not guilty here. Not in any way.

ILG 09-22-2010 08:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965637)
Who manipulated who DA ? Does the article say ? Once again, the pastor was way wrong here. But to play off the girl as being a brainwashed angel is ignorance to the world and generation we live in.

It troubles you because you have no experience in this area. But we could reserve that question for you to answer, why exactly does it trouble you DA ? This is life as a father of daughters. I am very proud of my girls and love them dearly, but that does not blind me to the reality we live in. I have learned that the hard way. Maybe you will too one day.

I think this thought is sick, Scotty.

scotty 09-22-2010 08:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965649)
The 16 year old is not guilty here. Not in any way.

That was my reaction too. :(

scotty 09-22-2010 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965651)
I think this thought is sick, Scotty.

It is sick, I can admit that . But its very real

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965649)
The 16 year old is not guilty here. Not in any way.

That statement is insane!

I knew about sex in elementary school.

I knew that I shouldn't do it then unless I was married then too.


At 16, she knew that she was having sex with a grown man, a married man, her Pastor at that.


satan will probably have a field day with her conscience for years over this-- only because she knew that this was the wrong thing to do.

ILG 09-22-2010 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 965652)
That was my reaction too. :(

I am not sure what side you are arguing.

Barb 09-22-2010 09:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 965639)
I understand what he's saying.

16 year olds aren't the innocent sweethearts of our day. He understands the guy was a perv.

What I see often is young ladies (teenagers) without fathers in their lives and they are looking to be loved and accepted. The sad realization is that many of them (especially at 16 on up) equate love with sex. This jerk showed her some attention, she wants to be loved by a man (father), he's a perv and takes advantage of the situation.

I understand what scotty is saying. Even though it's considered statutory rape, it appears she was willing and that to me is extremely SAD, SAD, SAD and very unfortunate. So many of these girls need fathers and they need to be taught that sex isn't love.

You are perfectly correct about many young ladies looking for 'love' in all the wrong places, but I do agree with Dan on this one...

The adult is always, always the one in control of the situation.

geekette 09-22-2010 09:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 965612)
He could be innocent. Was she sneaking out of the house to go have a bowl of cereal with him at 5:30 AM?
This case is why Liberals are fighting to lower the age of consent.

Erm, I know of no liberal that is fighting to lower the age of consent.

I do know of a lot of people (not going to say of whatever political persuasion) who see underage teens as temptresses and are quite willing to blame the adults' problems in engaging in inappropriate and illegal activity on the teens.

For example, a story I read earlier in the week in one of the Utah papers:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50...arges.html.csp

Quote:

The woman’s mother said after Pratt was arrested, her daughter was ostracized at high school, not even invited to football games or the senior prom. She was also subjected to abuse on her own Facebook page and other forums along with being accused of seducing Pratt.
It should be noted that the teen in this case was 16 and the man in question was 20 years her senior, yet she was the one attacked.

But to get back to the original point, I'm very liberal and I'm opposed to lowering the age of consent, in part because there's got to be a way to hold sick predators like the guy I mentioned above accountable.

ILG 09-22-2010 09:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965654)
That statement is insane!

I knew about sex in elementary school.

I knew that I shouldn't do it then unless I was married then too.


At 16, she knew that she was having sex with a grown man, a married man, her Pastor at that.


satan will probably have a field day with her conscience for years over this-- only because she knew that this was the wrong thing to do.

To think a 16 year old capably seduced her pastor is what is insane. Let's not blame the victim here. The pastor took advantage of a vulnerable girl. Don't get me wrong. She may have stripped in front of him for all I care. He is guilty. When I say she is innocent, I mean it on the grounds that we are not talking about a 16 year old girl seducing a 16 year old boy. This is a way different subject. I don't care what she did. Shame on him.

ILG 09-22-2010 09:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965654)
That statement is insane!

I knew about sex in elementary school.

I knew that I shouldn't do it then unless I was married then too.


At 16, she knew that she was having sex with a grown man, a married man, her Pastor at that.


satan will probably have a field day with her conscience for years over this-- only because she knew that this was the wrong thing to do.

Satan will have a field day because she will believe she is guilty for being molested.

rgcraig 09-22-2010 09:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barb (Post 965657)
You are perfectly correct about many young ladies looking for 'love' in all the wrong places, but I do agree with Dan on this one...

The adult is always, always the one in control of the situation.

Of course - - I don't think scotty and I know I'm not saying she was in control. He took advantage of her looking for love in all the wrong places.

All she is guilty of is responding to this perv because she thinks he cares for her.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 09:06 AM

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I am not calling for stoning or anything like that.

Even still, any attempt to absolve this 16 year old of guilt here is not realistic.


We try 16 year olds as adults in many crimes in America.



The wisdom of the Ohio law that kept the initial charges at sexual battery is displayed. A 16 year old is hardly a "child." Doesn't mean she is completely aware of ALL of the consequences of her actions, but at 16, she is aware enough to know that this was wrong.


Are there any articles that point to her mental handicaps that would contribute to her inability to realize that it is wrong to have sex if you're not married?

Or maybe she has already been sexually abused and she is in a place now where she is wrestling with stuff from an age in her life where her innocence was stolen.

Outside of these two scenarios, it is hard to make the case that she is innocent.

ILG 09-22-2010 09:08 AM

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What is weird is how so far, there are people saying the pastor is innocent until proven guilty (even though the article says he admitted guilt) and the girl is being given down the road. The balance is way off here.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 09:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965661)
Satan will have a field day because she will believe she is guilty for being molested.


Sorry, this 16 year old girl was not molested.


Maybe if she was 6 or maybe even 12.

16?

Unless it was against her will, she was NOT molested.

coadie 09-22-2010 09:09 AM

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If the charge is true, the man has no excuse. If the case is not true, he still didn't have boundaries, accountability and hedges in place.

She at her age can't make informed and good decisions.
1 She can have an abortion without parental consent
2 An abortionist if she was preggers would not report this to the law
3 They teach sexual misconduct early and often in public schools
4 The safe schools czar is actually pushing education for promiscous behaviors.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 09:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965668)
What is weird is how so far, there are people saying the pastor is innocent until proven guilty (even though the article says he admitted guilt) and the girl is being given down the road. The balance is way off here.

I agree in part.

The Pastor has admitted guilt so he is not "innocent".

scotty 09-22-2010 09:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 965655)
I am not sure what side you are arguing.

Both sides. I have said the pastor is guilty. And its easy to throw the book at him and point fingers and say lock the pervert up and problem solved. But even then the problem is not solved. Nobody wants to confront the other side of the problem. No body wants to bring themselves to admit that we have a problem today with our teenagers not being as angelic as we like to think. Until this side of the problem comes to your living room you can hide your head in the sand. I can't.

Maybe today or tommorow I will tell my story. Not sure I have time today, not sure if most will understand or stick their nose in the air like some in my church and say "well thats just your daughter, mine would never do that". Yet I have proof on my daughters computer that their daughters were no different. But I didnt tell them, dont feel thats my place.

Either way, until or unless you live through it, see it face to face, I understand why I appear sick to you. Believe me, I wish I no experience to comment in a thread such as this.

ILG 09-22-2010 09:11 AM

Re: UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges
 
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965669)

Sorry, this 16 year old girl was not molested.


Maybe if she was 6 or maybe even 12.

16?

Unless it was against her will, she was NOT molested.

The sway of an authority figure that she trusted makes this molestation in my opinion. Ever hear of the Stockholm syndrome? Was Elizabeth Smart guilty for not running and yelling while she was in public?


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