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Scott Hutchinson 09-21-2010 10:35 PM

Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.
 
http://www.mediacomtoday.com/news/re..._class&action=

Jack Shephard 09-21-2010 11:15 PM

Re: Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.
 
Doubt it is true, but ONLY God knows.

crakjak 09-21-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 965561)

Notice that AP doesn't mind, at all, in indentifing the ascused, no matter whether the accusations are true or not. Yet, they make a big deal about not indentifing the plainiffs????

Just saying!!

Barb 09-22-2010 06:40 AM

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I just saw this moments ago on CNN...

This may or not be true.

Be that as it may, my grandmother used to say, "Sin is sin, no matter who it is in," at the same time, never relishing in the failure of others.

People get caught up in sin and mistakes in judgment, and it is tragic, whether is it someone we know or merely know of.

The certainty of life is that this will not be the last we hear of a personal failure.

We can only pray for the saving grace of the Lord to do His work, and for the healing of the families involved.

Sherri 09-22-2010 06:44 AM

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I saw this last night on CNN, and it made me incredibly sad. He's done those Men's rallies here in Jackson for years at the biggest Baptist church in town. He's had a lot of influence in the lives of men in a positive way. I really hope this isn't true, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

Aquila 09-22-2010 06:51 AM

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I'm reading a lot of reports of fallen and accused ministers. Satan is attacking those who serve... we should take a time out and pray for them sometime today.

DAII 09-22-2010 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 965600)
I saw this last night on CNN, and it made me incredibly sad. He's done those Men's rallies here in Jackson for years at the biggest Baptist church in town. He's had a lot of influence in the lives of men in a positive way. I really hope this isn't true, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

It's official now Baptists are Charismatics.

There is huge distinction here to be made between a pending civil case which can be brought up by anyone, at anytime and often for most frivolous of reasons as opposed to a criminal case where a pastor admits to a felony.

coadie 09-22-2010 07:05 AM

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In the case of medical malpractice, sexual harrassment, the Internal revenue and this case, it is generally accepted that you are guilty until proven innocent.
I recall Joel Osteen's wife being in court regarding a tiff with a stewardess. She won and was treated as guilty until the case was given a verdict.
This has all the ingredients for an out of court settlement.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 965610)
In the case of medical malpractice, sexual harrassment, the Internal revenue and this case, it is generally accepted that you are guilty until proven innocent.
I recall Joel Osteen's wife being in court regarding a tiff with a stewardess. She won and was treated as guilty until the case was given a verdict.
This has all the ingredients for an out of court settlement.

I agree with you and that is why I hope Bishop Long DOES NOT settle out of court!

I think these two young men see this as an opportunity to "get rich quick" at the expsense of another man's hard-earned and solid reputation.


If he is innocent of what he has been accused of, he should fight this to the bitter end.

geekette 09-22-2010 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965644)
I agree with you and that is why I hope Bishop Long DOES NOT settle out of court!

I think these two young men see this as an opportunity to "get rich quick" at the expsense of another man's hard-earned and solid reputation.


If he is innocent of what he has been accused of, he should fight this to the bitter end.

As an ex-lawyer, all I can say is that Long had best have no skeletons in his closet--even ones not related to this issue, because discovery will bring them out. That prospect may make him want to settle, to make this go away.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by geekette (Post 965645)
As an ex-lawyer, all I can say is that Long had best have no skeletons in his closet--even ones not related to this issue, because discovery will bring them out. That prospect may make him want to settle, to make this go away.

If he does, it would be a very bad thing for him and, because of his profile, for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


We're not talking about some unknown preacher in a corn field in Nebraska.

Very few preachers have the reputation and notoriety that Bishop Long has.

He's almost at the same level of national recognition as Bishop Jakes and Joel O'Steen.


He needs to fight this, to the bitter end.

coadie 09-22-2010 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by geekette (Post 965645)
As an ex-lawyer, all I can say is that Long had best have no skeletons in his closet--even ones not related to this issue, because discovery will bring them out. That prospect may make him want to settle, to make this go away.

You make an additional point. Discover and depositions will be loaded with claims and false claims that increase the odds of shaking him down for more money.

geekette 09-22-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 965658)
You make an additional point. Discover and depositions will be loaded with claims and false claims that increase the odds of shaking him down for more money.

It's not as easy as all that.

geekette 09-22-2010 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965650)
If he does, it would be a very bad thing for him and, because of his profile, for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


We're not talking about some unknown preacher in a corn field in Nebraska.

Very few preachers have the reputation and notoriety that Bishop Long has.

He's almost at the same level of national recognition as Bishop Jakes and Joel O'Steen.


He needs to fight this, to the bitter end.

I'd be surprised if he did. I'm reminded that the head of a well-known religious television network familiar to some of the readers here paid a former employee of the same sex $425K to settle a sexual harassment lawsuit back in 1998. This came out in 2004 in the Los Angeles Times. The network said it paid the employee off to avoid a lengthy and expensive lawsuit. It should be noted that the accuser violated the terms of the agreement and ended up paying the former employer $135K in legal fees as a result.

Again, yet another reason to keep one's nose clean and stay out of the gaping maw of the court system!!!

tstew 09-22-2010 09:23 AM

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This is what my sister just said on facebook:


Just watched BJ Berstein on CNN...she's the attorney representing the two boys suing Bishop Eddie Long...this will be very interesting...she claims that she will show emails, text messages, hotel records and passports, and the church's Amex card that was used to fund these trips. I pray that their accusations are not true, but this attorney seems to be very confident about what she will be able to produce....

geekette 09-22-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 965724)
This is what my sister just said on facebook:


Just watched BJ Berstein on CNN...she's the attorney representing the two boys suing Bishop Eddie Long...this will be very interesting...she claims that she will show emails, text messages, hotel records and passports, and the church's Amex card that was used to fund these trips. I pray that their accusations are not true, but this attorney seems to be very confident about what she will be able to produce....

Yikes...and that's exactly what discovery is intended to find. If there's any evidence, it will be ferreted out. On BOTH sides.

This makes me sick to my stomach. People usually have no idea what they're getting into when they go to law. I don't recommend it.

rgcraig 09-22-2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by geekette (Post 965744)
Yikes...and that's exactly what discovery is intended to find. If there's any evidence, it will be ferreted out. On BOTH sides.

This makes me sick to my stomach. People usually have no idea what they're getting into when they go to law. I don't recommend it.

But, if he's guilty, shouldn't it be exposed? If you don't take it to the law what would you suggest?

Cindy 09-22-2010 10:07 AM

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How very sad either way.

franklyn4 09-22-2010 10:07 AM

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It doesnt look good for Eddie.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video...sex.pastor.cnn

coadie 09-22-2010 10:12 AM

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When asked about a possible motive for the accusations, Gillen referred to a break-in at Long's office in June.

Bernstein said one of the plaintiffs is facing a criminal burglary charge in the incident. She said the break-in was a way of lashing out at Long.
One of the plaintiffs has been charged with burglery of Bishop Long's office?

Why would there have been no charges for years and now this?

geekette 09-22-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 965746)
But, if he's guilty, shouldn't it be exposed? If you don't take it to the law what would you suggest?

Since it's a civil suit and not a criminal case, it's not a matter of guilt or innocence. Rather, it's a matter of whether or not he committed the actions and whether those actions rise to the level of a tort (wrong) that should be compensated by money damages.

And yes, if he did the acts, he should be exposed, but...going to law can cause all sorts of personal havoc. Just my personal opinion.

coadie 09-22-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by geekette (Post 965754)
Since it's a civil suit and not a criminal case, it's not a matter of guilt or innocence. Rather, it's a matter of whether or not he committed the actions and whether those actions rise to the level of a tort (wrong) that should be compensated by money damages.

And yes, if he did the acts, he should be exposed, but...going to law can cause all sorts of personal havoc. Just my personal opinion.

If the plaintiffs followed with this civil case after the Bishop had lost a criminal case, the outlook would change.
From the report, the crimiinal history of the plaintiffs may impeach their testimony.

Truthseeker 09-22-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 965758)
If the plaintiffs followed with this civil case after the Bishop had lost a criminal case, the outlook would change.
From the report, the crimiinal history of the plaintiffs may impeach their testimony.

But if they got emails, texts, receipts like their attorny claims then it's a done deal.

Jermyn Davidson 09-22-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 965762)
But if they got emails, texts, receipts like their attorny claims then it's a done deal.

I bet the lawyer for the plaintiffs is bluffing.


It would be idiotic to let something like this come to light if he was guilty-- he'd just settle out of court and be done with it.


Because of the nature of the accusations and Bishop Long's strong denial of the accusations, I am thinking the accusations are untrue.

coadie 09-22-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 965762)
But if they got emails, texts, receipts like their attorny claims then it's a done deal.

e-mails can be changed.
It also depends on what they say. This is a civil case and it may take a while.

Truthseeker 09-22-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 965767)
I bet the lawyer for the plaintiffs is bluffing.


It would be idiotic to let something like this come to light if he was guilty-- he'd just settle out of court and be done with it.


Because of the nature of the accusations and Bishop Long's strong denial of the accusations, I am thinking the accusations are untrue.

None of us know, that's for sure.

Truthseeker 09-22-2010 10:43 AM

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I like to take a wait and see approach to things even if it appears a certain way. Duke case is a prime example.

TJJJ 09-22-2010 11:37 AM

Uh Oh, Eddie Long Accused of homosexual....
 
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=12523213

Bishop Eddie long has been accused of sex with two men, in the congregation.

What say you?

ILG 09-22-2010 11:39 AM

Re: Uh Oh, Eddie Long Accused of homosexual....
 
I say I'm tired of reading about illicit sex.:razz

Scott Hutchinson 09-22-2010 11:50 AM

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I certainly don't rejoice in these sort of things,and I hope this is not true,even though I certainly disagree with the Bishop on doctrinal matters,if scandals concerning those in ministry are true,it certainly does seem to cheapen the integrity of the Christian faith in the eyes of the unbelieving world.

If God does anything for anybody anywhere I am thankful for it,but I don't rejoice when those who profess Christianity fall into moral failure.

Liberal 09-22-2010 12:00 PM

Re: Uh Oh, Eddie Long Accused of homosexual....
 
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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 965811)
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=12523213

Bishop Eddie long has been accused of sex with two men, in the congregation.

What say you?


Did you just wake up?

coadie 09-22-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 965820)
I certainly don't rejoice in these sort of things,and I hope this is not true,even though I certainly disagree with the Bishop on doctrinal matters,if scandals concerning those in ministry are true,it certainly does seem to cheapen the integrity of the Christian faith in the eyes of the unbelieving world.

If God does anything for anybody anywhere I am thankful for it,but I don't rejoice when those who profess Christianity fall into moral failure.

Sex and blood sell news papers.

Our church baptising over 35 this month doesn't make headlines.

Scott Hutchinson 09-22-2010 12:07 PM

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Praise God for 35 getting buried with Him in His name,that's great.

coadie 09-22-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 965568)
Notice that AP doesn't mind, at all, in indentifing the ascused, no matter whether the accusations are true or not. Yet, they make a big deal about not indentifing the plainiffs????

Just saying!!

The men were 17- and 18-year-old members of Long's New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia

I suspect the 18 year old one at the time doesn't have a case. 17 may barely have one. The huge question is why there was not a complaint filed 3-4 years ago. Why was this reported after one of the plaintiffs burgled the office of Bishop Long? I am sure if the burglary wasn't reported for 4 years, it would slide.

Sherri 09-22-2010 04:15 PM

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Evidently a third lawsuit has now been filed.

coadie 09-22-2010 04:31 PM

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Bernstein said that her case hinges on her three clients' testimony and that she doesn't have much physical evidence backing up her complaint. Bishop sent dozens of e-mails and phone calls to her clients, though they weren't "overly sexual," she said. Bernstein said she plans to subpoena records from Long that will show he traveled with the young men to New York, Las Vegas, New Zealand and elsewhere.
Let's see. The thugs she represents have arrest records. Now the only thing they really have is oral testimony. The plaintiffs surely hope their testimony won't be impeached. Looks like they are fishing for money.

CC1 09-22-2010 07:28 PM

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These situations are always tough because if there is no evidence it is just a matter of "he said, she said" (in this case "he said, he said).

There may be no way of knowing if the accusations are the truth or these are just some punks looking to shake down a successful pastor with deep pockets.

In any case one more scandal to make people leery of evangelical Christians.

Hoovie 09-22-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 966056)
These situations are always tough because if there is no evidence it is just a matter of "he said, she said" (in this case "he said, he said).

There may be no way of knowing if the accusations are the truth or these are just some punks looking to shake down a successful pastor with deep pockets.

In any case one more scandal to make people leery of evangelical Christians.

If there is no proof then it's a joke to even entertain the story. There may be some evidence coming forward... otherwise the whole "story" is laughable. Why bother with it?

Jack Shephard 09-22-2010 10:27 PM

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I have read a story on CNN and the allegations are pretty detailed and gross. Either he is a sicko or the ones making up are the sickos. I choose to believe him unless something different is proven.

Scott Hutchinson 09-22-2010 10:48 PM

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I think DA asked are baptists charismatic now ?yes some are I understand Bishop Long belongs to this Charismatic group. http://fullgospelbaptist.org/


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