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Cindy 09-28-2010 07:46 PM
Obama-Christian By Choice
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100929/...a_christianity

coadie 09-28-2010 07:50 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
To succeed in elections, he was told he needed to belong to a Christian Church of somekind.

Twisp 09-28-2010 08:40 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968005)
To succeed in elections, he was told he needed to belong to a Christian Church of somekind.
Yeah, he was told 20 years ago to become a Christian so that he could get the Presidency in 2008. That makes total sense.

coadie 09-28-2010 08:48 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968024)
Yeah, he was told 20 years ago to become a Christian so that he could get the Presidency in 2008. That makes total sense.
You can't use quote and cut and paste very well.


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To succeed in elections, he was told he needed to belong to a Christian Church of somekind.
He started running for offices other that president.

Do you know why he lied about his mom's religion?

coadie 09-28-2010 08:56 PM
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The president says he came to his Christian faith as an adult because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to him in terms of the kind of life he wanted to lead. President Obama says human beings are flawed and make mistakes, but that he tries to see God in others and does his best to help them.

He also said he thinks his public service is an expression of his Christian faith.

Recent public opinion surveys have shown that growing numbers of Americans incorrectly believe that the president is a Muslim.

President Obama discussed his faith in response to a question Tuesday during an economy discussion with residents in a small farming town south of Albuquerque, N.M.
Works salvation?

Twisp 09-28-2010 09:01 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968031)
You can't use quote and cut and paste very well.



He started running for offices other that president.

Do you know why he lied about his mom's religion?
He was first elected to public office in 1996, so instead of 20 years, he was told 10 years in advance to become a Christian to advance his political career. That makes about as much sense. lol

coadie 09-28-2010 09:13 PM
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"I'm a Christian by choice," Obama told his audience here. "My family didn't - frankly, they weren't folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn't raise me in the church.
That is a lie. His mom was an atheist.


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“Obama does clearly believe that the form of Christianity that he committed to at Trinity Church in 1985 is not the only path to God. ‘I am rooted in the Christian tradition,’ he has said. Nevertheless he asserts, ‘I believe there are many paths to the same place and that is a belief there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.’
Do Twisp and Obama believe Jesus is not the only way?

Maximilian 09-28-2010 11:48 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Yeah.... that stupid President... I hate him.... He don't love Jesus. He can't. I mean, his dad is Muslim and he has no choice... he's not a Christian... I don't know him, but I've heard him give speeches... and he can't be a Christian... yeah.. TIC

Praxeas 09-29-2010 12:51 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968042)
That is a lie. His mom was an atheist.




Do Twisp and Obama believe Jesus is not the only way?
His dad was an atheist. His mother, Obama claims, was a spiritual person. He didn't say she was a Christian

For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. This isn't to say that she provided me with no religious instruction.
In her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology.
On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part.
Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.

In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist she would become; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Baron1710 09-29-2010 05:03 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian (Post 968066)
Yeah.... that stupid President... I hate him.... He don't love Jesus. He can't. I mean, his dad is Muslim and he has no choice... he's not a Christian... I don't know him, but I've heard him give speeches... and he can't be a Christian... yeah.. TIC
While this kind of rhetoric drives me mad, I don't believe a fair evaluation of what Obama has said would lead one to believe that he understands the Christian faith. He tends to equate Christianity with other religions, He makes statements that equate more with pantheism, (seeing God in everyone)than Christianity, etc.

coadie 09-29-2010 07:15 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968036)
He was first elected to public office in 1996, so instead of 20 years, he was told 10 years in advance to become a Christian to advance his political career. That makes about as much sense. lol
So it was around 20 years

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We know, having read some accounts that part of it had to do with gaining street cred with his work as a community organizer among churches. It only makes sense, and he was advised by a pastor to pick church if he wanted to be truly effective.

And there's a second theory which Scheiber points to as well:
Obama, as the product of a racially-mixed marriage, in which the black father was almost entirely absent, had spent his whole life groping for an authentic identity. Wright offered Obama both the father and the identity he never had.
In fact, I'd guess it was a combination of both - but there's more, and here's where it gets interesting. Scheiber quotes a passage from David Mendell's Obama biography that is revealing. First about Wright:
Wright earned bachelor's and master's degrees in sacred music from Howard University and initially pursued a Ph.D. at the University of Chicago Divinity School before interrupting his studies to minister full-time. His intellectualism and black militancy put him at odds with some Baptist ministers around Chicago, with whom he often sparred publicly, and he finally accepted a position at Trinity. ...
So the aspect of black militancy, as we've seen it reflected in Wright's words and, as he's admitted, is based in James Cone's "black liberation theology". This was well known from the beginning. It is nothing new, but certainly something rarely talked about in the MSM. Very few, if any, news outlets bring this topic up even while Wright continually touts the connection with Cone's theology.
So Comes Black Liberation theology fit obama's political agenda.
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=8426

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He didn't show up at Trinity as a 'worshipper'. As mentioned, he showed up there initially to gain street cred to help him with his job. But he also chose a church that most comfortably fit his political beliefs before he ever began his religious journey. And that church based its theology on black militancy.
Trinity is a black church that strongly supports homosexuality which is not common for black churches.

scotty 09-29-2010 07:20 AM
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‘I believe there are many paths to the same place and that is a belief there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.’

Isn't this the same thing Oprah said ?

coadie 09-29-2010 07:41 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968093)
‘I believe there are many paths to the same place and that is a belief there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.’

Isn't this the same thing Oprah said ?

Exactly.

Jesus said Ye must be born again. Obama supporters can't show us where he was ever born again or refers to it as a requirement for salvation.

Twisp 09-29-2010 08:03 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968099)
Exactly.

Jesus said Ye must be born again. Obama supporters can't show us where he was ever born again or refers to it as a requirement for salvation.
lol, newflash, people believe differently than you (thank goodness). Not everyone views your way as the only way to be a Christian.

I notice you haven't tried to argue that he said his mom was an atheist anymore? What's the matter, the truth hurts?

coadie 09-29-2010 08:13 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968106)
lol, newflash, people believe differently than you (thank goodness). Not everyone views your way as the only way to be a Christian.
I notice you haven't tried to argue that he said his mom was an atheist anymore? What's the matter, the truth hurts?
Does the truth hurt?

Jesus said I am the way the Truth and the life. How many ways are there Twisp? I believe Jesus is the way. Like he told Nicodemus, Ye must be born again.

scotty 09-29-2010 08:13 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968106)
lol, newflash, people believe differently than you (thank goodness). Not everyone views your way as the only way to be a Christian.
Don't matter what everyone believes. Does it ?

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

coadie 09-29-2010 08:27 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
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"My father was from Kenya," he said, "and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam."
"I've always been a christian"
Obama

My bible says you are not a Christian until you are born again.
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She touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue," said Maxine Box, who was Dunham's best friend in high school. "She was always challenging and arguing and comparing. She was already thinking about things that the rest of us hadn't."
So Obama contradicts himself. If he was "always " a christian, then it was not a choice.

coadie 09-29-2010 08:28 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968108)
Don't matter what everyone believes. Does it ?

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Amen. Twisp says different standards for the Royal family.

Twisp 09-29-2010 08:30 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968108)
Don't matter what everyone believes. Does it ?

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
According to his thinking, he views himself a Christian. Who are we to say differently?


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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968111)
Amen. Twisp says different standards for the Royal family.
Different people have different standards. What he views as being a Christian might be different than what you believe.

coadie 09-29-2010 08:36 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968106)
lol, newflash, people believe differently than you (thank goodness). Not everyone views your way as the only way to be a Christian.

I notice you haven't tried to argue that he said his mom was an atheist anymore? What's the matter, the truth hurts?
I will let his book answer you.

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In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, "I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known
Well twispt. Do you say his book is wrong? secular humanism is atheism.

Obama is famous for having multiple stories that do not match.

coadie 09-29-2010 08:40 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968113)
According to his thinking, he views himself a Christian. Who are we to say differently?




Different people have different standards. What he views as being a Christian might be different than what you believe.
Jesus has the final say. Not twisp. Except ye repent, ye shall all liikewise perish.


Do you, Obama or Jesus set the standards?
by their works ye shall know them. Pro abortion people have that heathen spirit. No sanctity of life. No resppect for God's creation.

warrior 09-29-2010 08:46 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
The truth is this: Regardless to what Obama says or does, it will never be good enough. Coadie spends his time trying to find fault in Obama. Therefore, I don't waste my time having the conversation. Obama is in office! There is nothing Coadie can do about it.

Get Over It! Even if he is the Chief of Satan, He is still the President of the United States of America. Even if his mama was married to Lucifer himself, Obama is still the President of the United States of America. Even if his wife and daughters are satans hired help and worship him everyday, Obama is still the President of the United States of America.

Twisp 09-29-2010 08:49 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968122)
Jesus has the final say. Not twisp. Except ye repent, ye shall all liikewise perish.


Do you, Obama or Jesus set the standards?
by their works ye shall know them. Pro abortion people have that heathen spirit. No sanctity of life. No resppect for God's creation.
Well duh, individual people set their own standards. All the Christian standards in the world don't amount to a hill of beans if someone doesn't believe in them.

coadie 09-29-2010 08:53 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 968076)
While this kind of rhetoric drives me mad, I don't believe a fair evaluation of what Obama has said would lead one to believe that he understands the Christian faith. He tends to equate Christianity with other religions, He makes statements that equate more with pantheism, (seeing God in everyone)than Christianity, etc.
Flavor of the day. He straddles several belifs to have his political bases covered.

coadie 09-29-2010 08:58 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968106)
lol, newflash, people believe differently than you (thank goodness). Not everyone views your way as the only way to be a Christian.

I notice you haven't tried to argue that he said his mom was an atheist anymore? What's the matter, the truth hurts?
I will let his book answer you.


Quote:
Quote:
In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, "I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known
:bumpsign

Inherited skeptism
In herited christian.
What a contradiction.

Maximilian 09-29-2010 09:08 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 968076)
While this kind of rhetoric drives me mad, I don't believe a fair evaluation of what Obama has said would lead one to believe that he understands the Christian faith. He tends to equate Christianity with other religions, He makes statements that equate more with pantheism, (seeing God in everyone)than Christianity, etc.
So they've accepted heresy. But there are many "Christians" who believe the same thing. So unless we are getting all theological, I can only take his word that he is a follower of Jesus. I'll reserve my report card of how good he's following (feels weird to even say that).

But I agree, there is a sweeping universalist trend among some Christians -- including Obama. He's very worldly-minded and doesn't seem to accept the exclusive claims of Jesus.

Twisp 09-29-2010 09:13 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie (Post 968131)
I will let his book answer you.




:bumpsign

Inherited skeptism
In herited christian.
What a contradiction.
Not sure what you are going for here. Is today make-up-wordplay day for you and your unicorns?

coadie 09-29-2010 09:15 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian (Post 968138)
So they've accepted heresy. But there are many "Christians" who believe the same thing. So unless we are getting all theological, I can only take his word that he is a follower of Jesus. I'll reserve my report card of how good he's following (feels weird to even say that).

But I agree, there is a sweeping universalist trend among some Christians -- including Obama. He's very worldly-minded and doesn't seem to accept the exclusive claims of Jesus.
It is very common. Expressions like" i wouldn't worship a god that would punish people with hell".

scotty 09-29-2010 09:51 AM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 968113)
According to his thinking, he views himself a Christian. Who are we to say differently?




Different people have different standards. What he views as being a Christian might be different than what you believe.

If his views dont line up with scripture then are we wrong to point that out? I don't see anyone defending LS HMH with your way of thinking here.

coadie 09-29-2010 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968158)
If his views dont line up with scripture then are we wrong to point that out? I don't see anyone defending LS HMH with your way of thinking here.
The highest virtue is tolerance. It is sin to speak against false views in the new post modern universalism. (except evangelicals and fundies) They are still labelled as dangerous.

Maximilian 09-29-2010 10:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968158)
If his views dont line up with scripture then are we wrong to point that out? I don't see anyone defending LS HMH with your way of thinking here.
#1 Most on here have more passion about LS's heresy, because it is close to home for them. It's where they come from, and for some, where they are.

#2 If his views don't line up with scripture, then critique him on those grounds. But giving a carte blanche judgement that he's an inauthentic Christian, without him saying much publicly of his faith, seems suspect. Of course, it's not his theology that people question, they knock on the door of his motives, his heart. Pitchforks all around.

scotty 09-29-2010 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximilian (Post 968173)
#1 Most on here have more passion about LS's heresy, because it is close to home for them. It's where they come from, and for some, where they are.

#2 If his views don't line up with scripture, then critique him on those grounds. But giving a carte blanche judgement that he's an inauthentic Christian, without him saying much publicly of his faith, seems suspect. Of course, it's not his theology that people question, they knock on the door of his motives, his heart. Pitchforks all around.
Well I haven't read much. He doesn't go much into detail about it, which maybe why he comes off as "all over the board" about it. Either way I have more issue with his politics than I do his religion.

Mr. Smith 09-29-2010 01:15 PM
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My good friends, allow me to settle all this debate as to whether or not is a Christian. After I speak, there will be no more need for discussion, so Admin, go ahead and lock the thread after I speak. As Rush Limbaugh says, "After I speak, there's nothing left to be said."


Here it is, plain and simple:


If President Barak Obama claims faith in Jesus Christ and proclaims Him as Lord, and also professes that he is a Christian, then we should all believe him and accept him as a brother in Christ.



See there? Wasn't that easy?

So you don't agree with him. Big whoop. I don't agree with some of your stuff either. Doesn't make you any less of a Christian. Do YOU want your faith denounced by someone who doesn't agree with you? "Do unto others...", you know, so why don't you good folks that judge President Obama's relationship with Christ just shut up and leave the man alone.



This thread can now be closed. I have spoken.

scotty 09-29-2010 01:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 968223)

If President Barak Obama claims faith in Jesus Christ and proclaims Him as Lord, and also professes that he is a Christian, then we should all believe him and accept him as a brother in Christ.
Sounds good to me, has he done this ?

Mr. Smith 09-29-2010 01:28 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968228)
Sounds good to me, has he done this ?

Sigh. Well ok, I'll break down and speak again on this thread.

OF COURSE HE HAS!!! Have you?

coadie 09-29-2010 01:28 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 968223)
My good friends, allow me to settle all this debate as to whether or not is a Christian. After I speak, there will be no more need for discussion, so Admin, go ahead and lock the thread after I speak. As Rush Limbaugh says, "After I speak, there's nothing left to be said."


Here it is, plain and simple:


If President Barak Obama claims faith in Jesus Christ and proclaims Him as Lord, and also professes that he is a Christian, then we should all believe him and accept him as a brother in Christ.



See there? Wasn't that easy?

So you don't agree with him. Big whoop. I don't agree with some of your stuff either. Doesn't make you any less of a Christian. Do YOU want your faith denounced by someone who doesn't agree with you? "Do unto others...", you know, so why don't you good folks that judge President Obama's relationship with Christ just shut up and leave the man alone.

This thread can now be closed. I have spoken.
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just shut up and leave the man alone
What gives you the right to judge people?

scotty 09-29-2010 01:29 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 968229)
Sigh. Well ok, I'll break down and speak again on this thread.

OF COURSE HE HAS!!! Have you?
Got a source ? Quote ? Just askin.

coadie 09-29-2010 01:29 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 968229)
Sigh. Well ok, I'll break down and speak again on this thread.

OF COURSE HE HAS!!! Have you?
He has? When?

coadie 09-29-2010 01:34 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968231)
Got a source ? Quote ? Just askin.
He may have been sprinkled.
It that isn't enough, he partook eucharist and that for shure counts.

"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."(jhn 6:54-55)

Mr. Smith 09-29-2010 01:52 PM
Re: Obama-Christian By Choice
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 968231)
Got a source ? Quote ? Just askin.

I don't really have a source that says YOU have.


And yes, in the article that started this thread, he professes his Christianity.


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