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Apocrypha 10-01-2010 12:20 PM
Marijuana basically decriminalized today in CA
 
http://thenewsoftoday.com/schwarzene...-prop-19/3047/

The California Governor, Schwarzenegger, who opposes Proposition 19, this morning signed a landmark bill in the state of California which decriminalizes the possession of marijuana. For those wondering, this does not make marijuana possession legal, but it no longer will be a misdemeanor offense. Instead of the mandatory fine of $100 as well as the mandatory appearance in front of a judge, the outcome of being caught with marijuana will now simply be a $100 fine. The new law will be in effect on January 1st and include anyone caught with up to an ounce of marijuana. Basically the possession of the drug is seen no different by California now than speeding is.
Schwarzenegger signed the bill because it will save the state a ton of money since there will no longer need to be a judge and attorneys appointed to each and every one of the misdemeanor offenses involving marijuana possession. Last year alone there were 60,000 Californians caught with the drug, and in the last decade approximately 500,000 offenders.
Schwarzenegger however remains against November’s Proposition 19 (known as Prop 19) vote to legalize the drug.

coadie 10-01-2010 12:24 PM
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They promised green jobs

Apocrypha 10-01-2010 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 969176)
They promised green jobs
I guess even the best laid plans eventually go up in smoke :)

scotty 10-01-2010 12:28 PM
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This is fine as a state law, but if a federal law enforcement officer, (DEA, DOT, ATF) catches them they will face federal punishment and jail time.

Praxeas 10-01-2010 12:28 PM
Re: Marijuana basically decriminalized today in CA
 
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Originally Posted by Apocrypha (Post 969173)
http://thenewsoftoday.com/schwarzene...-prop-19/3047/

The California Governor, Schwarzenegger, who opposes Proposition 19, this morning signed a landmark bill in the state of California which decriminalizes the possession of marijuana. For those wondering, this does not make marijuana possession legal, but it no longer will be a misdemeanor offense. Instead of the mandatory fine of $100 as well as the mandatory appearance in front of a judge, the outcome of being caught with marijuana will now simply be a $100 fine. The new law will be in effect on January 1st and include anyone caught with up to an ounce of marijuana. Basically the possession of the drug is seen no different by California now than speeding is.
Schwarzenegger signed the bill because it will save the state a ton of money since there will no longer need to be a judge and attorneys appointed to each and every one of the misdemeanor offenses involving marijuana possession. Last year alone there were 60,000 Californians caught with the drug, and in the last decade approximately 500,000 offenders.
Schwarzenegger however remains against November’s Proposition 19 (known as Prop 19) vote to legalize the drug.
What about possession to distribute?

BTW another question, how will this affect us on a federal level which still sees it as illegal

coadie 10-01-2010 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Apocrypha (Post 969177)
I guess even the best laid plans eventually go up in smoke :)
Never thought of that. Smoking grass will be a pollutant. Get the EPA to shut it down.

Praxeas 10-01-2010 12:29 PM
Re: Marijuana basically decriminalized today in CA
 
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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 969178)
This is fine as a state law, but if a federal law enforcement officer, (DEA, DOT, ATF) catches them they will face federal punishment and jail time.
That's my thought, plus also I was wondering if they would try to sue the state

scotty 10-01-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 969179)
What about possession to distribute?

BTW another question, how will this affect us on a federal level which still sees it as illegal
Thats why it is specified as "up to an ounce" . Anything over an ounce is considered possession with intent to distribute. Over an ounce and you are a dealer instead of a user.

The federalies can still bust you.

scotty 10-01-2010 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 969182)
That's my thought, plus also I was wondering if they would try to sue the state
I don't think thats possible. In the case of Arizona , feds are sueing on the basis of Constitutional rights. This wouldn't fall under that guideline. Many in California have been locked up in federal courts already for possessing and growing it.

Praxeas 10-01-2010 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 969185)
I don't think thats possible. In the case of Arizona , feds are sueing on the basis of Constitutional rights. This wouldn't fall under that guideline. Many in California have been locked up in federal courts already for possessing and growing it.
If it's decriminalized and eventually legalized will California argue the Feds have no jurisdiction within the state?

Timmy 10-01-2010 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 969187)
If it's decriminalized and eventually legalized will California argue the Feds have no jurisdiction within the state?
Maybe. But in their arguing, they will be very mellow. :lol

scotty 10-01-2010 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 969187)
If it's decriminalized and eventually legalized will California argue the Feds have no jurisdiction within the state?
Good question, as of right now they do have jurisdiction. I forgot what states already have this same law as California but there are 2 or 3. In those states the feds have and do continue to make arrest on federal laws despite the states lighter laws. However, the feds can make it hard on them. Just as in the case of seatbelt laws and others, the feds can mandate that the states will lose fed funding in some area if they do not adopt fed laws.

Praxeas 10-01-2010 12:58 PM
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Alaska

scotty 10-01-2010 01:01 PM
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Yes , and a couple others.. I may be wrong but I think like Montana, Nevada, Arizona.. I dont know , I dont remember .

Twisp 10-01-2010 01:05 PM
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Seen nodding in approval:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...ld-hippies.jpg

coadie 10-01-2010 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 969203)
You need to wear trousers TWISP.

scotty 10-01-2010 01:07 PM
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These are states that approve medical use.

Alaska
California
Colorado
DC
Hawaii
Maine
Michigan
Montana
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oregan
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/v...ourceID=000881

Twisp 10-01-2010 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 969205)
You need to wear trousers TWISP.
Lol, I'm hoping the beard will grow long enough to suffice.

scotty 10-01-2010 01:18 PM
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Gonzales v. Raich ruled in a 6-3 decision that the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution allowed the federal government to ban the use of cannabis, including medical use. The court found the federal law valid, although the cannabis in question had been grown and consumed within a single state, and had never entered interstate commerce. Congress may ban the use of cannabis even where states approve its use for medicinal purposes.

In 1973 Oregon decriminalized cannabis[40] Laws changed again in 1995 that reduced penalties. Possession of one ounce or less became legally defined as a "violation" (a crime that is considered a lesser offence than a misdemeanor) and now is punishable by a $500 to $1,000 fine that can be, in some jurisdictions, paid off by means of community service.

Colorado, Alaska, Ohio, and California followed suit in 1975. By 1978, Mississippi, North Carolina,[41] New York, and Nebraska had some form of cannabis decriminalization.[citation needed] In 2001, Nevada reduced cannabis possession from a felony offense to a misdemeanor, but only for adults age 21 and older, with other restrictions

Jermyn Davidson 10-01-2010 03:22 PM
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Mary Jane should never have been criminalized in the first place.

She has never killed any innocents.

Alcohol has.

Jermyn Davidson 10-01-2010 03:23 PM
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Let Freedom Ring!

From the leafy greens of San Jose,
to the smoky streets of L A.

Let Freedom Ring!

Timmy 10-01-2010 03:44 PM
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Went with my son to Golden Gate park a few months ago to play disk golf. In some spots, there was an aroma in the air. Son said it "smells like a concert, here". :toofunny

berkeley 10-01-2010 04:44 PM
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hmm may move back to California...

seguidordejesus 10-01-2010 04:48 PM
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About time.

geekette 10-01-2010 08:27 PM
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Well, considering that this War on Some Drugs has been a colossal failure...

Maybe if pot's legalized, we can get people to be patriotic and smoke Californian rather than going after illegal drugs that have to be imported.

Not that it matters to me, as being in a room with any smoke makes me want to cough and cough and cough and cough...

Jermyn Davidson 10-01-2010 08:32 PM
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Be a PATRIOT!

SMOKE AMERICAN POT!
(and lose that cheap "made in China" red, white and blue lapel)

pelathais 10-01-2010 09:28 PM
Re: Marijuana basically decriminalized today in CA
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 969182)
That's my thought, plus also I was wondering if they would try to sue the state
Nah. The Feds didn't sue Arizona after Gov. Janet Napolitano signed a law ordering state law enforcement officers to ignore Federal Immigration laws. They did sue when her successor signed a law ordering the same state law enforcement agencies to enforce Federal laws.

The Feds won't sue for this CA pot thing either, nor for the legalization if Prop. 19 goes through. It's just not a hot button issue for the Obama Admin.

Personally, I don't have a problem with pot - growing or possession. Legalize it and rob the cartels of a major revenue stream. That will save lives in the long run in Mexico and along the border. Coupled with real border enforcement it would make Mexico safe to visit again. More importantly, it would make Mexico safe for the Mexican people again.

pelathais 10-01-2010 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by geekette (Post 969365)
Well, considering that this War on Some Drugs has been a colossal failure...

Maybe if pot's legalized, we can get people to be patriotic and smoke Californian rather than going after illegal drugs that have to be imported.

Not that it matters to me, as being in a room with any smoke makes me want to cough and cough and cough and cough...
You just "stir the pot" and don't really smoke any of it?


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