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Acts 2:38 is not the "full gospel" it's the ONLY GOSPEL plan of salvation. - Wayne Huntley GC10

Do they not hear themselves?

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I wonder if the offering takers wrote Huntley's sermon notes. The sermon seemed like an extension of the offering. Wonder how many of those hollering Amen will go home and empty the "Preacher's Tithing Account" and sell all they have and ......oh shut up BT

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It's is amazing how many of the ministers in the Org have gotten so off course like this. Acts 2:38 is NOT the gospel. At best it is our response to the gospel.

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Lol .. when will people get it??? Acts 2:38 is not THE TRUTH .. it is A TRUTH!!! When will we get around to preaching the REST of the Bible??
To say "THE" is extremely discriminatory!!!

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Right about the same time as the majority of UPCI churches turn to expository style preaching covering Galatians and Colossians over a 2-3 months period verse by verse. Which is never.

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And at worse, it's just one of over 30,000 verses and holds no more significance than Obadiah 1:12.

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THE ONLY GOSPEL, DESPITE WHAT OTHERS MAY PREACH:

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures 1 Cor 15:1-4

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Hola, UPCI Jihadist!


I Corinthians 15:1-4

(1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

(2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

(3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

(4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent (DEATH), and be baptized (BURIAL) every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (RESURRECTION).


Just believing that Christ died, was buried and rose again does not make you saved. If that were true, Peter wouldn't have preached what he did on the Day of Pentecost. Acts 2:38 is concisely the Gospel and the response to that Gospel all rolled up in one little package. We then go on to perfection (maturity) in Christ, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, faith toward God, doctrines of baptism, laying on of hands, resurrection from the dead and eternal judgment.

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And here we go....

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It holds much more significance than anything in Obadiah, for those that don't use the whole Bible that is. It is sad when the whole point of the Bible is preached as if it ends @ Acts.

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So Paul is saying that the D,B,& R of Christ is the Gospel?

And Peter preached the D,B,& R in his message in Acts 2 before he got to 38?

How does one obey the D,B,& R of Chirst? By having their own D,B, & R?

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Everyone take out their secret decoders ...

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Let's RE-ENACT THE GOSPEL ... because what He did wasn't enough to rely on ... I got to become a "mini-Jesus" and mimic WHAT HE DID to assure my salvation.

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Acts 19:2, "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?"

Mark 16:16,Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

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Did he say it was the gospel or the only gospel plan of salvation. I think the second would be equivalent to saying it is the only response to the gospel.

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What then is the purpose of repentance, and water and Spirit baptisms, Dan?

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What difference does it make? We all know what he meant, and I have the feeling I know what you believe.

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Death, burial, resurrection....duh......:thumbsup

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Isn't the RCC mass a re-enactment of the death of Christ?
Is there some kind of parallel here?

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Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Was Paul endorsing Re-Enactment???

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or was he referring to an experience in the lives of his readers that happened the moment they believed in Jesus?

did the death, burial, and resurrection become theirs the moment they first trusted in Jesus?

or was their death, burial, and resurrection stretched out into three completely separate experiences that may have happened miles apart geographically and years apart in time?

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This is man's plan of salvation. God's plan of salvation is that His son Jesus the Christ would die for the sins of the world....I'm just saying :bliss

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You mean that Jesus Christ would die for those predestined from the foundation.

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Actually here Paul speaks how baptism alone signifies all three ... something you don't believe ... as in your paradigm it is only a burial.

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No, I mean he died for all....all is all that all means...

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Mizpeh, we've been through all this for almost 4 years now. You're stuck on performance salvation ... I'm cool with that.

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I guess we just don't see eye to eye on this.

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No, you don't see eye to eye with Paul, DWW. He clearly speaks of all three in relation to baptism and you want to force your three-step soul wash on him.

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C'mon preacher!

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No act of obedience is need for salvation, isn't that what you've been touting DA? Just mental ascent and all is well? The only doing needed is to beleive?

You can go on with that but you'd need to disregard Hebrews and James when it comes to true faith. Why is it that each of the hero's of faith in Hebrews seems to mention the actions they took?

Or what of James:

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith can not live without action.

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DAII, generally doesn't burial take place after the death? Jesus wasn't buried alive. You really don't beleive that repentance is a death of the old man?

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No, that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world. No one is predestined to be damned.

Atonement is only limited in the sense that it is limited to those who place their faith in Jesus Christ and therefore have his righteousness imputed to their account.

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Pretty sure that's what RevDWW just said.

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I hope so, but I find it more likely that his interpretation is that the "works" of James 2 equals water baptism and speaking in tongues, I know this is the view of some UPC pastors. And through THOSE works we are justified.

What I said is specifically that we are justified PRIOR to any such works on our part such as baptism or anything else. But if our faith is true saving faith such things as water baptism and a godly life will FOLLOW salvation, and be evidence of salvation, but those things are not in themselves the CAUSE of salvation.

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To clarify - I was saying that RevDWW was saying the same thing as you said in the above paragraph - "Saving faith is obedient faith, submissive faith, living faith, not mere mental assent without further action."

I do not agree that you are saved at repentance or the Word would not say in I Peter 3:21 "even baptism doth also now save us" or it wouldn't say in Romans 8:9 "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

Acts 2:38 covers all three necessary elements of obedient faith, submissive faith and living faith. It preaches, concisely, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and our response to that. Even though we have the choice to be obedient to repentance and baptism, we must also desire/pray to receive His Spirit also (Luke 11:13). A free gift, something we cannot give ourselves, but necessary nonetheless. It is salvific regardless what others preach.

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But of course the entire Gospel of John speaks of salvation and God's saving in terms that need qualifying.

Perhaps it's the Romans "Baptism also saves us" and "have not the SOG you are none of His" need some further examination to be consistent.

We are saved the same way Abram was. Called by Grace, trusted and believed, it was accounted as righteousness. Creating a soteriology on the grounds of everything else is an unfortunate disservice to the effectual work of Grace.

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AMEN!!!
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Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.


Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Would Abe have been justified if he had not obeyed and carried out what God had commanded?

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Yes, according to Paul...

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

He was justified before circumcision...

9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.

I know its hard to accept faith in Christ as the only path to God, but it's really not complicated. Once we are saved and married to Christ, our faith produces good works pleasing to the Lord.