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The economy lost 8 million jobs during Bush's final months in office and Obama's first few months. Is this Obama's fault? NOOO! We cannot dig out of a recession in 2 short years. Bush and his policies are to blame for the economy. We need to give Obama more time. Why did the republicans oppose a deficit reduction commission after having previously supported it? Republicans want to see Obama fail. They don't want to cooperate on anything with democrats. So bah humbug to the republicans. Obama needs to become more partisan to increase majorities in a democratic congress. Republicans don't have a chance in 2012 when the truth is told.

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Obama is a disaster for the economy. He has lost jobs 15 of 21 months in office. Why? He promised to do net job creation. \
Most recessions last half as long as this one and climb back twice as fast.

Dedicated mind needs to buy a used econ book at a garage sale also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88f8j...layer_embedded

How many jobs were filled when Obama was elected? 146 million

How many jobs are filled today? 139 million

How many people added to the work force in 21 months? 120,000 per month

Democrats controlled Congress since ............



By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, January 5, 2007
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was elected America's first female speaker of the House yesterday in a raucous, bipartisan celebration of a historic breakthrough, and hours later she presided over passage of the broadest ethics and lobbying revision since the Watergate era.

So the budgets came from Democrats.
Obama was a Senator from Illinois and voted in favor of these spending binges.

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Your 8 million in the last months of Bush is off by several million,
Give us the raw numbers by month.

Democrats are the problem and have no ideas for a solution. The only reasonable job creation months under Obama were hiring census workers.
Temporary gubment jobs.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com...-million-jobs/

The graph shows the census hiring months. We will not expect honest data from dems on job creation.

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I'm not smart enough to agree or disagree with the 8 million figure for jobs lost so I'll leave it unchallenged. My question is, "Is that a result of the Democrats taking over the legislature the last 2 years of the Bush presidency?"

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It's all Dubya's fault

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The Dems keep blaming "Republican Obstructionism" for their inability to turn this economy around. How can the Republicans obstruct Obama's agenda when they control NOTHING in Washington? The Dems have all the power. You know why they don't go as far as they'd like to? There are a couple of reasons. First they have to contend with Blue-Dog Democrats who can't get reelected on a strictly socialist agenda so they have to oppose the liberal leadership on certain legislation. Second, the Dems don't have the courage to go all the way with their liberal agenda because deep down they know this country is more conservative than it is liberal and that liberal presidents don't last very long in office and liberal Congresses fade about as quickly.

Your party's days in power are numbered Dedicated Mind. Enjoy these last few months. It won't come back around this way for another 15-20 years!

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The Dems had congress. I posted the link above that shows job losses accelerating several months after the Obama regime come in.
If I went to a doctor, I would want treatment.
I wouldn't pay a doc that spent 21 months just blaming my previous doctor.

If we take out Census jobs, the 21 Obama months are all horrible in job creation.

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Bush was not a conservative. He was just right center, not much better than McCain. Though RINO republicans helped get the spending started, when the Democrats took over congress in 2006 Bush began to spend like the liberal he was at heart. Without a Republican controlled congress he was free to allow his social liberal tendencies to shine.

It was that economic ignorance of foolhardy spending along with the Fanny Mae/ Freddy Mac fiasco which took us down a road of destruction. Instead of reversing the ignorance, Obama, being the far left liberal that he is, more than quadrupled Bush's spending! His policies involve the spending of more of our money than all presidents before him from Washington till now combined.

In an attempt to keep this in perspective: Consider a stack of $1000 bills. Bush spent a stack about 3' tall. Obama has spent a stack 332,640' tall! That's 63 MILES people!!!

Obama is a globalist who does not have our nation's best interests at heart. I am ashamed of our current president. He is the most divisive president ever to sit in the sacred oval office. Hopefully, we are not too late and can begin to reverse the ignorance come November. Obama's policies must fail in order for the country to succeed.

JMHO

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Democrats violate business and cultural values.

Steal from the rich and give to the poor? Nope.
Fund abortions? Never!!
Socialize medicine? Rationing? No way!!

Carbon taxes? Not in our lifetime

Dems want to destroy america and freedom

suggested reading 1008 page general econ textbook.
Try to read the book and it will help you get rid of some of the liberal notions that ruin our economy.

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Ha!

I smell democratic, liberal desperation as we draw closer to the elections!

Run rats run!

Just a few more weeks and the cons will be :neener to the lib dems!

And I will be going :ursofunny because I will be using O's money to feed my 13 kids!

:bliss

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We have a winner. When the republican congress took over in the last term of Clinton a bad economy was turned around and it was Clinton who got the credit.

The economy was great in the first term of Bush. It was when the dems took over that it started going down. Barney Frank and his other liberal pals are to blame for the housing problem. It snow balled from there. Don't get me wrong, there were some things that Bush did in the end that I did not like, the bail outs and his spending.

Anyone with a small amount of common sense will know that the policies that Obama had implemented will never turn the economy around. It will only make it worse.

Mark it down that I am saying it now, when the republicans take back over the house you will begin to start seeing the economy turn around. However, it will be Obama who will get the credit. So many dumb people voting these days.

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You may be missing on stimulus money he sent to the kin folk that have gone to their reward. They have been busy printing checks.

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Obama needs to get the message

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You took the words right out of my mouth, glad I read thru the thread before posting, you said it better than I.

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yes!!!!! It is!!

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Got proof for any of the assertions here?

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Agreed on all points

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Chart comparing Bush vs Obama spending:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&pictureid=989

Courtesy of The Foundry

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Jobless claims up 13,000 to 462,0000. What is going on? Shall we re take the census?

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LOL! :toofunny

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Who says Republicans don't have good ideas? The census was the only period of job growth. We know the population is dynamic because of the little border issue.

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That weeks figures were just revised upward to 475,000. So they fudge numbers on the low side before the election.
The numbers this week may be good and they can correct them upward later.

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=223609

The communist party agenda is losing traction.

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which policies? lets walk thru it.

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:thumbsup

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The Economy the way it is, is the result of many things which is not entirely Bush's fault. It includes a democrat agenda while Bush was president and before when Clinton was president and continued under Obama and made worse by putting us deeper into debt before his term was even half way done.

We don't need to give Obama more time. He doesn't know what to do.

Republicans want to see Obama fail? Democrats wanted to see Bush fail and to this day they blame everything on Bush...still.

That is one reason why the democrats lost. The American public got tired of hearing about how it's all Bush's fault years after Bush is gone.

The other issues are socialized medicine, the government taking partial control of companies, the failed housing crisis which Bush had hardly anything to do with and what looks like a socialist agenda when it comes to our health care and economy.

America voted the dems in not because America agrees with the democratic platform. They voted them out because the democrats didn't get it. They were giddy, drunk. They thought being voted in was an approval of their agenda when in reality it was a reactionary movement.

Republicans need to learn that same lesson but they won't. This has been going on for years in American politics

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BTW during Bush's final months in office the Democrats were in control. The president in the US government is NOT a dictator.

And you never provided any link so Id like you to substantiate your facts please

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I contend that the vast majority of Americans who voted for "hope and change" didn't have a single clue what that meant.

Obama must have thought they did, because he's only been doing what he and the far left wing believe. He has been enacting the policies that will change America into the liberal/marxist society that they want.

The majority of voters wanted a change, a change from President Bush, they just never payed enough attention to Obama's background and ideaology.

Thankfully, they are now.

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Any response, DM?

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Sorry to disappoint you Sandie, but I don't know enough about fannie and freddie mac to comment. I do think the goal of enabling more homowners is a noble one. I don't know if predatory lending or risky loans were the source of the problem. Either way, execs shouldn't profit. I don't claim that democrats are corruption free, but at least they are not trying to privatize medicare and social security. A few corrupt apples won't change my views of the noble aims of the party.

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I think that any ideology regardless of how noble, leaves room for the unscrupulous to corrupt and use for their own selfish gain. The biggest tragedy is that those who believe in the ideology are often easy prey. This happens on the left and the right. The other tragedy is that all along they feel that they are fighting for right. It's amazing to me how those who are skilled in this way can play good people on both sides against the middle.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_...eature=related
"Sorry I can't get the second video to post, but it's already on previous post. Go back and look at it."

Boy it is hard to believe that there are "individuals" on AFF that will watch these two videos and still argue for the democrats and take up for them in view of what went on! There is no question, when you watch the two videos as to what went on with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae!

If our dumb, ignorant, selfish, unprofessional, socialistic, biased, puppets called the main stream media would have done their jobs the liberal democrats would have never got by with this criminal activities. (And yes, "I'm mad!") Sick of the stupidity that is going on in our country!

I think both of these videos should be shown to the full congress, and they should be made to sit through each of them, and then let our Socialist President show it to his puppet news media. Of course, as "professional" as they are I'm sure they could explain it away!

Of course Congress and the news media would lie and say that what they were seeing on the videos wasn't what they were seeing on the videos.

I am completely disgusted with those individuals who have brought our country to the brink of bankruptcy! Oh, yes, the liberals can lie and say it's Bush's fault but the truth of the matter is that doesn't change the truth.

How safe would you feel if you were about to pet a "rabid skunk" but the liberal media said, "Oh it's not rabid!" Take their word, pet the skunk, and then head to your closest doctor so you can get you some rabies shots! You're gonna need them.... and just because some loose tongue said it wasn't rabid did not make it harmless!

Well, forgive me for my ranting, but I'm "gusdusted!" And by the way, some of the liberals response to the two videos is pathetic!

Been Thinkin

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if you want willing to bone up on what the underlying causes of the economic meltdown are, then why are you trying to engage in a discussion about it?

you blame GWB but wont actually spend some time looking into the things that led to the collapse? that makes no sense what so ever.


as for not trying to privatize Social Security... we have a fundamental difference of opinion here. NOT trying to privatize SS is IMHO proof of corruption.

it certainly OUGHT to be privatized.

(My definition of Privatize: Each person has an individual account, the money the put into the system goes into that account and it accrues interest/captital gains in that account and the government cannot use those funds or have access to those funds AT ALL.) We can debate what kind of investments can be used. it should be very safe.

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You can't be serious about corrupt apples when speaking of the GSE's. They fight going under Sarbanes Oxley. And I know exactly why.

The list of problems includes the CRA, Shakedown court cases by ACORN, poor risk ratings at the wholesale reselling market. Messing with ratings and selling the CDO's in tranches.

Bush was warned of this in 2001 and asked for changes at the time.

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Well, I am disappointed in you, DM.
Disappointed in the fact you refuse to get educated, and instead just spout the dem talking points ad nasuem. That says alot about you and truly just solidifies what's wrong with the leftists in this country.

The noble aims of the party are to murder the helpless in the womb, and cause people to lean on the government, both ideas fly in the face of the teachings of Jesus.

It's impossible to have an honest discussion with someone who refuses to look at the facts. I didn't post hearsay, these are the actual words of those who you bolster.
You might want to think about that.
The people and party you support are the most responsible for what difficulties so many Americans are facing today.
You might want to think about that too.

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I appreciate the fact that the new Republican-led House is going to do everything in their power to curtail "Obamacare"...how long do you think it's going to take them to get serious about doing anything about the million babies murdered a year.

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How long do you think it will take?

It's going to take all three branches, not just the house.

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I mean just the equal attempt...the equal urgency since it is obviously such a critical issue to them.