Separation of church and state
 

The above phrase is NOT in the constitution.

In fact the liberals do not want separation.

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diggWASHINGTON (ABP) -- A church-state watchdog group says the Internal Revenue Service should investigate whether a New York church violated federal tax law by endorsing a Democrat running for governor.
The nasty libs want to use the state and the IRS to bully people they despise.

If the state is separate from the church, how does the IRS get in the door?
But then they want the state to micromanage churches.

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No, Coadie they want churches to abide by the law. If a church chooses to take advantage of a tax exempt status there are certain restrictions they must follow.

If churches chooses to pay taxes they are free to say whatever they wish.

While separation of church and state is not found in the Constitution the principle is, and Constitutional law includes more than just what is explicitly found in the Constitution.

Does government have the right to read your text messages or should we expand the Constitution to encompass them?

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Dude, don't even get involved in this. He is as crazy today on this subject as I have even seen him in the past.

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He is always a little on the crazy side, I just couldn't help myself.

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THAT'S the problem, we can't help ourselves. We need to be stronger. Do it with me Baron, be stronger and don't feed the troll. We can do it together.

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This is not your legal specialty.

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So the libs/atheists use the IRS to bully the churches. How is that separation?

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What's not my specialty? Diagnosing crazies?

Churches have a choice limit your speech based on a pay off in the form of tax breaks, or pay the taxes.

Separation of church and state has never exempted the state from regulating things, such as building codes, taxes, drug use, etc.

BTW Barry is a cool guy, wrong most of the time, but a nice guy. Even gave me his book Piety and Politics.

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They still gather and remit payroll taxes. I doubt if very many churches make money after giving to the poor and missionaries.

Sending the IRS over as a bullying tool is not separation.

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Irrelevant. If they weren't employing people they wouldn't be.

Do you have a point somewhere Coadie, or just more random lunatic ravings?

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Are you just another lousy disrespectfull lawyer?
Insults are for the court room!!
You seem poorly educated outside of family court.
Stay with divorce law.

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:ursofunny

Hmmmm Coadie, do you know what his legal specialty is? I find this VERY ironic....

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Makes a living doing divorces?
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it's not tax law.

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I realize that Baron does not have a litany of professions, such as yourself; but I do not think that you have mentioned having a law degree of any kind. I can sincerely say that he is not poorly educated, he did not focus on family law when he was in law school (though that came later), and just for your information, divorce is not the majority of what a family law attorney does.

And he does not seem to be the disrespectful one here...

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Name calling seems to be what? Is that how classy lawyers demonstrate respectfull?

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Hmmm... I never met a poorly educated attorney. I have met some poorly educated people who thought they knew more about law than an attorney, but that's no surprise. If you ask some people how many degrees they have, they'll go take their temperature.

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Ronnie Floyd, on Fox News, discusses pulpits and politics
Politics and the pulpit
Ronnie Floyd (right), pastor of First Baptist Church in Springdale, Ark., was a guest of John Kasich on Fox News, along with Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, to discuss the role of pastors in political campaigns. courtesy of Fox News

'Vote God'
Ronnie Floyd, pastor of First Baptist Church in Springdale, Ark., said on Fox News Channel's "Heartland" July 31 he is not endorsing George W. Bush's reelection but is encouraging people to "vote God, His ways, His will, His Word." courtesy of Fox News
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Ronnie Floyd told a nationwide audience on Fox News Channel he is using his pulpit to encourage people to "vote God, His ways, His will, His Word," not to endorse one presidential candidate over another.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State sent a complaint to the Internal Revenue Service in July saying Floyd, pastor of First Baptist Church in Springdale, Ark., is forfeiting his church's tax-exempt status by engaging in partisan politics.

Floyd appeared in the Tyranny of the Minority segment on "Heartland with John Kasich" July 31 opposite Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United.

Kasich introduced the segment with a video clip of Floyd speaking to his congregation with a picture of President Bush appearing behind him.

http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/print...y.asp?ID=18792

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Under the United States ConstitutionUnited States ConstitutionThe Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law of the United States. It is the foundation and source of the legal authority underlying the existence of the United States of America and the federal government of the United States...
, the treatment of religion by the government is broken into two clauses: the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. While both are discussed in the context of the separation of church and state, it is more often discussed in regard to whether certain state actions would amount to an impermissible government establishment of religion.

The phrase was also mentioned in an eloquent letter written by President John TylerJohn TylerJohn Tyler, Jr. was the tenth President of the United States and the first to succeed to the office following the death of a predecessor....
on July 10, 1843.

The United States Supreme Court has referenced the separation of church and state metaphor more than 25 times, though not always fully embracing the principle. In ReynoldsReynolds v. United StatesReynolds v. United States, , was a Supreme Court of the United States case that held that religious duty was not a suitable defense to a criminal indictment...
, the Court denied the free exercise claims of Mormons in the Utah territory who claimed polygamyPolygamyPolygamy is a form of polyamorous group marriage in which a person has more than one spouse at the same time. When a man has more than one wife, the relationship is called polygyny; and when a woman has more than one husband, it is called polyandry...
was an aspect of their religious freedom. The Court used the phrase again by Justice Hugo Black in 1947 in EversonEverson v. Board of EducationEverson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court which applied the religion clauses in the country's Bill of Rights to state as well as federal law...
. The term has been used and defended heavily by the Court, but is not unanimously held. In a minority opinion in Wallace v. JaffreeWallace v. JaffreeWallace v. Jaffree, , was a United States Supreme Court case deciding on the issue of silent school prayer.An Alabama law authorized teachers to set aside one minute at the start of each day for a moment of "silent meditation or voluntary prayer," and sometimes the teacher of the classroom asked...
, Justice Rehnquist presented the view that the establishment clause was intended to protect local establishments of religion from federal interference.

Quote:

Justice Scalia has criticized the metaphor as a bulldozer removing religion from American public life.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/top...urch_and_state

So denying polygamy for the Mormons tells us the State has taken the authority to meddle with churches.

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not wanting to hijack this thread but I have a couple of questions:

1. Why are church property and church businesses exempt from property tax?

2. If polygamy and/or gay marriage ever get to the Supreme Court level, do you think they will become legal?

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States have defense of marriage acts. Activist judges do not think citizens should have the authority to vote on that. I suspect it won't be legalized thru laws but will travel to the highest court. In the highest court the question will be if it is constitutional for states to have voters vote on, and create constitutional ammendments.
Gay marriage is a plague pushed by liberals. Forcing it on the people will backfire.