Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
 

There is a swirl of activity in the courts recently concerning the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

But in general, what do you think of gays in the military? Should they be allowed in? If not, why? What is the basis for prohibiting them? I would especially be interested in hearing from military or ex-military people.

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I'm not sure about all the reasoning behind "don't ask", but I think "don't tell" is a great policy--for the protection of homosexual men. Even our wonderful military is home to some certifiable idiots. I'm sure if those dolts found out they'd been bunking & showering with a gay man for the last few years, they'd be angry enough to do something stupid about it.

If the gays were suddenly allowed (or forced) out of the closet, I predict there would be dire consequences for at least a few.

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I have no problem with gays in the military, but I think Don't Ask Don't Tell is good because there are hate-filled people EVERYWHERE who don't hesitate to hurt someone for being something that they're not comfortable with. My husband has been in the military for 13 years, and he thinks Don't Ask Don't Tell is a good thing. Maybe someday there won't be a need for such protective measures, but currently, I think it's necessary.

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And what does that say about the "straight" folks? Humanity isn't a pretty picture.

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Maybe not do something stupid about it but...if it's ok for a man that is attracted to men to shower with men, why not also allow men that are attracted to women to shower with women?

My point is, when you actually know there is a guy showering with you that is sexually attracted to men it's a whole different story

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I asked my retired military dad once about gays in the military, he stated something like military has always discriminated against certain people such as handicaps, flat feet, low IQ, etc.....he made the point that gays are handicaped in their minds so it should disqualify them. Good point, IMO.

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It doesn't say anything about "straight" folks; it says something about "idiots."

People can be incredibly cruel, especially when it comes down to pride. I'm not personally hip on the idea of gays in the military, although I haven't exactly fleshed out my reasoning. I'm also not hip on anyone getting hurt because their secret is revealed.

The story from the past few weeks of the high school boy who committed suicide because of the gay sex video that was broadcast was incredibly sad and sickening. I'd wager that's nothing compared to what could happen if gays came out in the military. The nature of the beast requires that the men in the military be "men's men" (no pun intended), and a large measure of narcissism and chauvinism is a given to go along with their abundant testosterone. Add to that their training in lethal force and their pack instincts, and it's a disaster in the making.

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They are handicapped in their mind???? How so?? I've seen studies that show the average IQ of a gay person is actually higher than the average straight person, so surely he didn't mean intelligence.

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I didn't really address the "don't ask" part. I'm just saying I think it's unwise to flip the policy at this juncture. If it were reversed, I would say that everyone who is presently IN the military should be grandfathered in with a "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" smoke screen for their protection.

This isn't just about men, Prax. This applies to lesbians as well.

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:popcorn2

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But those are all handicaps that would prevent them from operating sufficiently in a military capacity....even if Homosexuality was a mental "handicap" does it hinder their ability to operate in a military capacity? I doubt it if so every military on the planet would be handicapped. There have always been gays in the military

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He wasn't refering to IQ. A man that wants to have sex with another man has a mental issue or handicap, for sure.

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That would NEVER fly. Homosexuality is an aberration from what God intended for human sexuality, but you can only make that point from a religious standpoint.

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:guns Yep

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Im just presenting what might be a man's position, a straight man might not want to shower with a gay man knowing he was gay. If we allowed that why not ask the ladies how they feel if heterosexual men showed with them?

My point is and actually this is what I have hear the military brass say, it should be up to the men. How do they feel about gays in the military? How do they feel about showering with them?

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Oh, I think it does. It says there is still a very ugly bias among many straight people in their views of gays. That's not saying all straights are bad, but it makes a loud statement. Exhibit A, here, would be the fellow here in this thread who's father believe gays were "handicapped in the mind." Yikes.

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Good grief. I'm trying to behave in my comeback but a statement like this makes it difficult!

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Totally agree.

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I don't see how not wanting to stand naked in front of a guy that you know is sexually attracted to men is bias

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bump Truthseeker

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And there are some pretty ugly biases among homosexuals regarding straight people (and Christians). Biases are usually based on ignorance, hence my label of "idiot" rather than "straight." Plus, it has been my observation in at least a few cases that those with the most vitriolic responses to certain lifestyles are those who have had their own secret struggles.

There are idiots and extremists in every group. If this were about politics, then we wouldn't say that "conservatives" have a tendency to bomb abortion clinics; we'd say that zealots and extremists have that tendency. I have a problem with abortion clinics, but I'm not inclined to bomb one just because I'm politically and religiously conservative. Only a dolt would show such an inclination.

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:heeheehee


Sorry for laughing. Couldn't help it.

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I'm ex army and wouldn't want a gay guy in my unit.

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Believe it or not I realized when typing that would get some folks bending over in laughter

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It might depend on just how attractive I'm feeling that day.:lol

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Let it rip potato chip!! I can take it. It's a forum.

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Yes because of showering with them?

What about my other point regarding capacity?

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The imagery wasn't real good.

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Stop it. :toofunny

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Sounds very bigoted. Can you give an explanation that goes beyond your "Mentally handicapped" theory?

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As far as firing a gun or something, yes they could fire one, but probably not very straight. :thumbsup

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OK I better stop. I was gonna post a picture of a soap on the shower floor but Im sure that is too much....see NOW there's your line

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:toofunny

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Oh nice one lol. Seriously. Considering DADT allows gahs to be in the military without our knowledge, we can pretty much assume there have always been gahs in the military...even during wars we actually won.

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Let's see, am I mad about this post, or laughing? I can't make up my mind.

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Let's go ask Coco. He knows everything :bliss

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lol

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Why are you spelling it "gahs?" :blink

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It makes me said to think that gahs are gay when we've been told all along they are really not gay but sad

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If the shower is your basic standard room-for-one-person shower, no, I wouldn't want to shower with a gay guy, straight guy, any kind of guy. If it's a dorm-type shower, I wouldn't care. I hate those things. The athletic club I used to belong? I wouldn't shower there. No way. I wouldn't want to shower with anyone in any setting myself, so I would struggle with showering with gay or straight guys.