OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
 

Muslims rise up



Looks like Muslims males feel that they should be protected if their ex wife needs to be punished using force or even raped.

It seems some liberal judges in Arizona listen to whining from Mexico regarding immigration law fairness.

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Well, the Oklahoman measure was unconstitutional. It should be overturned.

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The Oklahoma constitution does have constitutional ways to make ammendments and this one was done correctly.

I take it a Muslim should have a right to beating up his ex wife if she deserved it. Twisp is all for rights according to Islam.
Twisp apparently thinks Muslims should be able to do their stonings in front of the Mosque on Fridays.

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Actually Twisp makes a common leftist claim. When a politician or judge takes an oath of office, they vow to defend the laws of their state.

Twisp says they should swear that oath and then ignore it.

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???

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My sentiments. But, you see, if we don't allow the Muslims to beat and rape their wives... someday soon Christians will not be able to practice their freedom of religion.. :-/

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:blink

:groan

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So Christian cults who believe in polygamy and child sex and etc. etc. etc. should be given that right also ?

I believe the KKK bases their beliefs on the bible also, hmmmm.

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Common sense just aint that common anymore.

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Yes, the Oklahoman measure that was voted on specifically bans the application of Islamic law and orders judges in the state to rely only on federal law when deciding cases. That is is in direct violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The 1st amendment separates church from state already, so there was no need for this measure. The fact that is specifically targets Islam makes it unconstitutional.

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Naw, that's just the argument I've heard over and over again. Allow the muslims exteme rights or our rights will be taken away.... when in reality, our rights are being taken away and the nut job muslims are gaining acceptance just as fast, if not faster than the homosexual community.

Rights for everyone who is NOT a real christian.

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Considering an appeals court overturned the New Jersey case, I think they have already said that government laws overrule religious laws. The appellate court said that "the husband’s religious beliefs were irrelevant and that the judge, in taking them into consideration, “was mistaken.”"

So, that is not really an issue. Government law trumps religious law, in that case at least. The same would apply to all faiths.

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Actually, Sharia law was used as an example, but technically the bill only pinpoints using "International law" to decide cases. Ergo, the bill itself does not target Islam.

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Ummm you might argue that the law is unnecessary but surely you are not trying to say it is unconstitutional. It is not unconstitutional to define the laws that a court would use to unless it was contrary to constitutional law.

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Yes, the Oklahoma law is unconstitutional. It clearly specifies a particular type of religion that it is banning. By doing that it is clearly contrary to constitutional law, namely, the 1st amendment.

Had the law simply banned the application of ANY religious laws in regards to federal or state cases, it would be fine, since it is just elaborating on the 1st amendment. But, you cannot put a redundant law on the books that so clearly goes against another law.

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So much for the cannibals that come over and want to snack on kids meals litterally. It is legal in their religion.

Twisp is twisting in the wind again.

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That is silly. It specifically mentions Sharia law twice on the measure ballot. By specifying a religion, it clearly violates the 1st amendment rule of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...ion_755_(2010)

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What law does it go against?

I can see "redundant", although it never hurts to clarify things. But how is it unconstitutional? It would be like passing a law that says you're not allowed to use the Ten Commandments to prove a case in court! How would THAT be unconstitutional, and how is it different from what happened here?

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Your not making sense. If it is redundant then it can't also be unconstitutional. It does not ban religion.

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Twisp:

What appeared on the ballot was an explanation for voters. It isn't necessarily the same as what will appear in the books. :rolleyes2

Summary of the measure reads:

"A Joint Resolution direction the Secretary of State to refer to the people for their approval or rejection a proposed amendment to Section 1 of Article VII of the Constitution of the State of Oklahoma; creating the Save Our State Amendment; requiring the courts of this state to uphold and adhere to the law as provided in federal and state constitutions, established common law, laws, rules and regulations; prohibiting consideration of certain laws; providing ballot title; and directing filing."

It requires that courts rely ONLY on federal and state laws to determine cases.

Please tell me how that is unconstitutional.

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"The Courts provided for in subsection A of this section, when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Constitution, the Oklahoma Constitution, the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international or Sharia Law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all cases before the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first impression."

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Actually, it does hurt to clarify things. The 1st amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

What is the law doing by specifying Islamic Law?

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My mistake; I didn't realize that Sharia was specifically mentioned. Regardless, the meaning is still the same, and it generalizes with "international." I don't see how this would be any different from banning the Bible being used to decide court cases.

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You didn't read my post. I said that if it did not specify a religion, THEN it would be a redundant law. This DOES specify a religion, thereby not being redundant but unconstitutional.

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Congress isn't showing preference to any religion with this law. In fact, they are making sure that preference CAN'T be shown in any case.

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No it does not, it specifies Sharia law not a religion.

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And that is the unconstitutional part.

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Sharia law is a religious law. It would be the same as if they said they could consider the Ten Commandments when making decisions.

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But they are specifically stating it against Sharia Law, a religious law. The 1st amendment does not allow them to do that.

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No it would be the same as if they said they COULDN'T use the 10 commandments.

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That is not a law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

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Fortunately the oath of holding offices is to defend our laws. It is illegal to shove sharia a religious law down our throats.

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Twisp! It would NOT be the same; it would be the same if they passed a law stating that courts could NOT consider the Ten Commandments when making decisions. It's just a reassurance to voters, basically, that courts are going to be fair and NOT allow religion - or international law (even or maybe especially when that law is based on religion) to influence decisions.

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That is what I meant. Darn that apostrophe and t button for hiding.

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That is what I meant. Just couldn't stretch far enough for that apostrophe and T button.

It would be the same thing, and Christians would be up in arms about it if that were ever tried.

Reassurance or not, you must see how it violates the 1st amendment.

Why is it okay to skirt constitutional law when it comes to Islam?

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Sharia law is a set of laws rooted in a religion; therefore it is even more inappropriate for courts to use than say, French laws.

The first amendment does not prevent congress from specifying that they will not use religion to determine cases. If you were correct and Sharia was a "religion", then the law has even MORE clout, because it is most certainly unconstitutional to use any religion's precepts to determine a court case.

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So courts can presently use the Ten Commandments to decide cases? When was that decision handed down?

Absolutely not. I don't see how it violates the first amendment whatsoever; rather, I see how it reinforces it.

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People might throw a fit but I would expect the courts to uphold such a law because it neither prefers nor prohibits religious practice.

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Thou shalt not kill or steal are in state and federal laws. They are enfocred because the legislatures and lawmaking groups wrote them into lay.

Twisp is very desparate.

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Soooo, when the 1st amendment says,"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"...

and you then have a law that is clearly against an establishment of religion...

you are telling me that is not in violation? LOL