Immigration and welfare???
 

Just curious, do they check the immigration status of people before giving them handouts?

I think we need some serious immigration reform.

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I don't know but this is another economic issue of giving away benefits without any means to pay for them

I was listening to how Gray Davis (another bone head democrat) had this great idea to double unemployment benefits while not increasing unemployment tax. It has helped to put California deep into debt.

It just does not work. It's economically untenable to give away stuff and not have really high taxes.

We would need to not just repeal Bush tax cuts, but raise them higher then here in California raise taxes all across the board (again). That means increase tax on gas (we already have the highest prices), on alcohol and ciggies, increased sales tax (which is already 8.75 not including local sales tax) income tax, increased fees across the board (registering your car, disposal of oil everytime you get a change...just be creative because thats how they think)

In the end the average person has less money although they are led to believe they get more because they get free stuff and the rich pay for it. And the reality is they may never see any benefits of having less money and getting their free stuff.

Of course this is just incentive for some folks to not work and get free stuff at someone elses expense.

Add to this misery the Unions and the blind democrat economics of taxing businesses,charging them fees and regulatory costs just for doing business and you get even more unemployed. Those businesses have to cut costs because they can't tax every citizen in California. If they raise the cost of their product, they go out of business because there is a company somewhere else making stuff cheaper.

That business will have to quit or move to a cheaper location.

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Who came of with the ideal someone can come from another country then get on welfare? Mind boggling.

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I think it depends on the state. Where I live you have to show proof that you are a U.S. citizen before you can get any benefits. And I think they verify on a yearly basis, at least for Medicaid.

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I wonder how stringent their checks are. For example if someone shows a drivers license is that all they need?

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I'm not certain how you "sign up for welfare." You may be able to do it online. That would open things up considerably to fraud.

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I know you have to show a birth certificate. I'm not sure of the other details.

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You have to go in person to your county social services dept.

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Okay... I just went through my own state's online "Are You Eligible?" thingy. After fudging the numbers around (I didn't even have to identify myself at this stage) I got to a point where it said: "You May Be Eligible..."

It then gave a list of things that I MAY be eligible for. This was the qualifying statement concerning citizenship:

"Keep in mind you must be a United States Citizen or Legal Permanent Resident or for Cash Assistance a Documented Non-Citizen to receive benefits."

Now presumably, from what I've read so far I (or anyone else) would have to provide some receipts, utility bills and mortgage info to substantiate the numbers that I claimed to be correct. I would imagine that at this time I would also have to show that I am either a citizen, "Legal Permanent Resident" or a "Documented Non-Citizen."

"Documented Non-Citizens" is interesting. This is a category that appears to NOT include "Legal Permanent Residents." I suppose that this would be folks who have state issued driver's licenses.

Going further into the process I hit this "wall" at the point where it lists the things that I will need to provide:

"Proof of status in this country such as Visa, Legal Permanent Resident Card, Passport, or Employment Authorization Card for everyone you are applying for;"

No "welfare" in this state for "illegals." You also MUST provide a Social Security Number or proof that you have applied for one and that it's in the works. SSNs are issued to non-citizens who have LEGAL residency statuses only.

Now I know how to apply for "welfare." There are many programs listed. I've just got to "fudge" my income figures to qualify... and then be able to prove that those number are correct.

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Yes. You can get the process started online (in my state) but ultimately you do have to look a government drone in the eye and show your need - AND your legal status in this country.

Though there's obviously going to be some fraud, my take is that "welfare" in my state is only available to Legal Residents. And, since the statements all include something about this requirement being a Federal requirement, I imagine all states have to follow the rules to get those Federal dollars.

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I was listening to Gov. Rick Perry of Texas the other day say that recently 158 businesses just re-located to his state from California.
I don't know how anyone who actually works can afford to live there anymore.
I was raised in Orange County, but there's no way on earth we could afford to live there now.

In my state when a girl gets pregnant and goes on welfare the father has to pay back every single dime. In your state it's a freebie.

It's stunning that not enough voters understood they've ran out of everyone else's money.

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Not all states are that strict, however. And I'm pretty sure it's recent legislation that made our state that strict.

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You cannot Receive Welfare if your not a U.S Citizen... but Illegals can pay taxes...the Govt issues Pin Numbers so they can pay to social security, welfare, etc...but they cant receive the benefits..Illegals also cant receive tax refunds.. hopefully we get rid of these people we dont want anymore of there taxes..

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:laffatu

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!".

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I dont see why ur calling me a MORON if all i said was my point of view..i dont want those leeches here..nd i have facts to back up all i wrote..

..................................http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/il...es-621300.html
.................................................. ..... http://reason....org/news/show/122411.html
.................................................. ................. http://www.alan.com/2011/04/23/illeg...-corporations/
................................................http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/...sam_wants_you/ .................................................. ......................................... http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/while...ng-extremists/
.................................................. ..................... http://www.villagevoice.com/2005-09-...ood-aliens/See

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From the report I heard the benefits paid for immigrates out weighs the amt took in from taxes by a huge amt. So yes the gov would save money by stopping illegal immigration.

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"Income Tax: Every time you receive a paycheck, you probably notice that something is missing. That’s because your employer automatically withholds federal, state, and local income taxes and Social Security and Medicare taxes. Immigrants also have money automatically deducted directly from their paychecks —even those who are here illegally. But how? Well, the Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else. They get on the payroll by using fake social security numbers or social security numbers of the deceased, which are easily available from counterfeiters for a couple hundred dollars."


http://roygermano.wordpress.com/2011...nts-pay-taxes/


Please note they even break the law to "pay taxes" according to above report.

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What report?

What know the lot of you on immigration?

US citizens can receive welfare and unemployment and all sorts of benefits - half of them can live off the other half.

BUT: To immigrate:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864.pdf

You gotta have one of these and somebody (a USC sponsor) has to pony up for one. If an immigrant applies for means-tested benefits the cost comes out of the pocket of the sponsor.

WHAT you need to do is look among yourselves to determine where all of those billions are going. Not at immigrants (who pay taxes whether they are legal or illegal) even though it appears to be the game of the month to distract your attention to one group while paying off the other.

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What report? the website I posted. I think illegals immigrants should not pay taxes, collect benefits, work or even buy a big mac beacuse they should not be here, it's crime.

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Unlike the hate mongering Nazi's here, I support your right to have an opinion

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Is it a crime? Is it really?

If so, do you to please stand up and state the statute, law, and penalty for the crime.

Applicable law is found in Title VIII happy hunting

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I didnt think so. Why don't you make illegal overstay a crime before you prosecute for it? LOL

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wii,wii loves living and working overseas with all the other alibaba wannabe's, bashing the country that is responsible, for putting him where he is. Typical leech attitude ! Why don't you go bash in public, the camel jockey producing perfect little country your living in and see what kind of a necklace it gets ya !Better yet, sneak across the border of your neighbor and see what happens to you when your caught.

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WOW I was worried that you might have discovered some useful facts. Thank you for settling my stress. I see you are just enjoying your usual random yapping.

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145161

In Norway all the rapes are Muslim immigrants?

Defenders of Islam call it a "religion of peace" but many Norwegian women are learning that Islam is the religion of rape. According to an amazing police report released there this month, every single solved case of assault-rape in the country in 2010 was carried out by a Muslim immigrant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=K_rHFKRwv5Y

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Walks are you saying it's not illegal to enter the US undocumented?

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Sadly, there is no penalty outlined for doing it. A specific criminal statute needs to be drafted with specific criminal penalties outlned for it before we get to convict those who do it.

USC Title VIII outlines immigration law/immigration code. Do you to research this to determine what is there and sadly what is missing.

Note to yip yip yip canam - what other countries do to their illegal border crossers have nothing to do with this discussion.....Mexico for instance shoots nicaraguans who try to illegally cross their southern border.

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Do you really wanna play news headlines with me and get the till-robbing, child-diddling, homo sting activities of "christian" ministers posted all over this page?

What does norwegian police activity have to do with this discussion?

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Note to yip yip yip canam - what other countries do to their illegal border crossers have nothing to do with this discussion.....Mexico for instance shoots nicaraguans who try to illegally cross their southern border.

And thats wrong on what level Wii?

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The discussion is (was) on immigration and welfare in the US. Which means that skipping your ADHD medication only resulted in you (once again) wandering off into another completely different topic.

I for one would gladly and cheerfully authorize some of my last years $27k tax bill to publicly fund said madication if you cannot afford it.

Immigrants must have a sponsor to immigrate and are not eligible for means-tested benefits until either (1) they have worked and paid into the system for 40 quarters / 10 years or (2) they apply for and become US citizens. Immigrants can apply for citizenship after 5 years if they are non-family based and can apply for citizenship after (3) years if they are family based immigrants.

Children of illegal immigrants are US citizens if born in the US and the statistics that you and your colleagues rattle off are actually costs applied to US citizens.

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Put down the crack pipe wii wii were talking about illegals, which deserve to be shot as invaders.and their children should also be iilegal as in the adage" just because a cat has kittens in the oven doesnt make them biscuits" When we get rid of "Resident Obama" maybe we can get that changed.

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Good grief doesnt this site have pest control?

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The penalties for illegally entering the United States tend to be considered "civil penalties" rather than "criminal," (sort of like a traffic ticket) but the consequences are still very real - if and when they're enforced.

While in the commission of the "civil" violation a person might also end up committing a felony - as in the case of committing fraud by using forged, altered or stolen documents or if you were the one doing the "human smuggling." The human being smuggled appears to have only committed a civil infraction and would likely get a ticket with a mandatory court appearance to discuss their situation with a judge.

The most recent penalties for illegally entering the U.S. are actually found in Title II of the House Conference Report for House Resolution 3610 of the 104th Congress (September 1996). http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...104query.html|

This was the famous (or infamous?) compromise worked out between Bill Clinton and the new Republican majority in Congress.

"Division C" of this report contains the text of the "Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. Within that division, Section 105 amends Section 275 of (8 U.S.C. 1325) - I believe that this may be the "Title 8" to which you referred earlier.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/Untitled.png

Granted, it ain't much... but there is a penalty for illegally entering the United States. And, as I said before - if the "illegal immigrant" commits other crimes to facilitate their entry, such as human smuggling, document fraud, trespassing on Federal, State or Private lands, or whatever... at least hypothetically, those crimes can be added to the civil penalties described in the image above.

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Hey! That's my thing that I say... "put down the crack pipe..." I say that. You can't say that. You have to come up with something on your own to bash Wii with.

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:heeheehee:heeheehee:heeheehee Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?

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Which summarizes my original point. We are missing a criminal statute with criminal penalties. And yes Title 8 is where all the laws regarding citizenship and immigration are found. <grin> including the laws applicable to what constitutes natural born citizenship where coadie and his friends need to be searching for "birther" arguments.

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The fact that it is a "civil" infraction rather than a "criminal infraction" doesn't really change the argument. And, from a practical standpoint, it's pretty hard to enter the U.S. illegally and to stay in the U.S. without breaking some criminal statute along the way, unless you've got a generous benefactor who's willing to provide you with everything you need.

Since American employers are required to hire only those who are in the U.S. legally (or they will face criminal prosecution) every job applicant in America is asked about their residency status. Lie about that and you've committed fraud. Tell the truth about that and the illegal won't be hired.

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Having worked in benefits I would say yes,why should we support the aunts,uncles etc who move in with their families here.

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We are not in argument on this. My own wife was an immigrant - a legal one and though the process is painful and expensive and time-consuming there is a set process in place to do it right.

Nothing sets me off like seeing the process skipped - but I did much looking into how these illegals get away with it and concluded that to them its like when you choose to park in the shade on the grass at the zoo for the cost of the $10 parking ticket. They do it and cheerfully take the penalty when it comes and still benefit from it.

As pointed out in an earlier post you don't benefit from crossing borders illegally in other countries because the penalty is harsh to do so (including the southern border of Mexico where you can get shot crossing). You also do not automatically gain citizenship in other countries just because you are born there. You go to your embassy, register the birth, and get the BC/Passport from your home country. WE also need to re-define what "under the jurisdiction of the US" means and categorally place children of non-citizens under the jurisdiction of their various countries. THEN the consulates can take off some of the time they spend visiting their inmates in our prisons and use it to issue birth notices and passports to their own citizens. THEN there would be NO benefit to being in the US illegally.

ALSO - if you are travelling/visiting and you go to the hospital in other countries you better be ready to fork over some kind of payment on the spot or before you leave. They don't have to treat you for free and our hospitals should not be forced to do it either. WE are making it too easy to be here illegally and we need to start yanking the rugs out one by one - but we should eliminate the major benefits and the problem would/should for the most part take care of itself.

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There are Millions of muslims that would pay the price to become American citizens. On Independence day we need to remember a Christian nation and democracy is what is missing in the world.

I bet she is glad to be a citizen of a Christian country.