College Education an Entitlement?
 

Thousands of students in Briton are protesting with signs that read "Free Education Now".

What do you think about that? Does that seem weird to anyone besides me?

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Youth can go on line and learn. It is free.

It seems if they had to earn money for tuition, the drop out issues change.

If they work hard, they can get scholarships. My kid had as much as 34,000 in a year in scholarships and grants.

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lol. So all capable students can get 34,000 dollars in scholarships?

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The British government are considering allowing colleges to charge up to 9,000 pounds per year, as opposed to the current 3,000 pounds per year.

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Or even more. National Merit Scholars and folks with perfect gpa's and high ACT scores do very well.

The problem is we as parents often don't teach kids how to work hard and do good work.

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I think all public universities should be free.

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I think it is outside the intended duty of government to provide welfare to corporations or to the people. But that concept is long lost.

While I am not for the government taking money from one group of people to give to another I would say that if one were going to subsidize anything that education would definitely appear to be a move that would pay dividends.

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Oy...then we'd have even more people with degrees who don't know anything. Or maybe not. I'd probably have dropped out by now if there weren't these loans hanging over my head.

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I don't think college education should be free. Public universities are already subsidized by the taxpayer. Education means more to someone if they're paying for it. Grants, scholarships, low interest loans, I favor. Completely free, no.

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Are we talking free/free or just free?

The first thing a kid needs to learn is that some one is paying for "free" education.

Free health care is very expensive.

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I haven't read all the replies, but yes, that does seem weird to me. My husband and I had to pay for our own college... we don't plan on paying for our daughter's either. That may seem heartless, but we don't think she'll appreciate it unless she pays for it herself.

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In the event that a student's education is not 100% covered by scholarships (and it seldom is)

I see no benefit to saddling a person with sometimes tens of thousands of dollars of debt before they even begin their career, especially in this job market. The federal government ends up guaranteeing it (thus paying for it if they default) or forgiving it (thus paying for it) or the person is saddled with payments for the next decade or more.

Put that money back into the economy, and you'd see things improve.

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Put what money back in the economy?

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coaide, if everyone has perfect GPA's then there are other more stringent criteria to determine who gets all those scholarships. Scholarship money is in limited supply and is based not on your GPA alone but on your GPA in comparison with the competition. The fact is that scholarships will always be awarded by comparison. So even if you have a class of all 4.0 GPA students, only a few of those will be awarded scholarships. And here's the kicker... it wouldn't matter how much effort such a student expended and how good of work they did if another student expended just a little more effort and did just a little better work than them.

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As socialists many want the state to pay for higher education. Of course they will dive in and dictate curriculum and delete support of church schools.

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What?

JFrog is right. My oldest daughter was able to get a full schlorship because of her chosen field of study and the college she chose to attend. My youngest didn't get a full scholarship for the exact same reasons. They both did well in school, in fact the younger one had better grades than her sister.

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Here's the thing coadie. When I graduated high school I was 4th in a class of 60. I had the highest SAT scores in my class. I ended up with enough scholarships/pell grant/non-merit based scholarships to mostly pay for my first year at virginia tech. However, most of my scholarships were only 1 semester/1 year ones. So had I stayed, I might have accumulated alot of debt. (Virginia Tech is a fairly cheap college in comparison to other states colleges). The whole year costed about 15,000-16,000 back in 2005. My roommate was from Pennyslvania. Out of state tuition for him at Virginia Tech was actually cheaper than instate tuition at Penn State.

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Graduated high school
graduated from high school

I know a lot of education inhibited people that remind me they "graduated high school" not from high school.

Yep. After my second graduate degree, my college debt was 300 dollars.
Fortunately I started my career with no financial burden.
My parents helped out by sending food at Christmas.

One of the issues is resourcefullness. Students need to learn how to get it paid for in addition to learning endurance education takes.

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Georgia actually has a great program. I think it's called the hope scholarship. If a students preforms well enough in school then he/she gets his/her public college tuition in Georgia paid for. The student has to maintain a 3.0 GPA and a few other stipulations.

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Can you not read? The student loan money.

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Love that. Remind me of a younger me. :bliss

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Hey coadie...not all college students are 18 years old, single, and childless.

I'm 30+ with four children, a single parent and not receiving a dime of child support. Any ideas how I can reduce my student debt, cuz it's definitely outrageous. Oh, as for resourcefulness, I've managed to keep four kids clothed, sheltered, fed, and on an academic track that's far above their peers, work full time, and go to school full time, for most of my college education. But, loans have played a huge part of this and I haven't had time to look for grants and scholarships above what the college has just handed me (mostly pell grants, very, very few scholarships). Right now, granted, I'm not working. But I am homeschooling vs public schooling my children and I'm also taking 9 credits in 8 weeks so time is still kind of limited.

Thanks!

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Just had to indulge myself a little :ursofunny:thumbsup

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The money is already in the economy. It never left.

M1, M2, M3 are all measures of money supply.

Can you tell me from memory in which figure the "money" is categorized?

This is the problem with education. A lot of this used to be covered in High school.

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So you're arguing that it's better to have millions of people tens of thousands of dollars in debt?

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I attended a private High school. I actually lived at home and also earned all my tuition. we were taught that you get right with God, get your education and career, get married and then have a family. I observed that order still works today. In the bible men often first married in their 30's to age 40.
I understand. My son had a friend whose mom was single and broke. They forfeited a car so she could get an engineering degree.
I worked hard as a student. I remained single until after school was done and I was a company president before the age of 30 before getting married. I continued getting degrees and the 4th one I finished was a money making profession. I knew that when I started and it gave me a strong job offer from campus recruiters. As soon as we had kids, my wife stayed home to raise them.
Education is expensive and often people don't look at return on investment.

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It is clear if you read that nothing I said indicates that.

I am an honest person and believe people need to pay back their debts.
I realize that many of these debts are the result of bad spending habits.

A little teaching moment for you. When students pay back their loans, the banks have more money to lend to other investments.

One of my children is an architect. At graduation, she has no debt. I have a friend that just retired as an architect and has only recently paid off his student loans forom 30 years ago. They alwys lived on debt for trips, cars and boats. What kind of bondage is that?

I actually advise people pinch and save and pay back student loans before buying a house and buy a house before they ever buy a set of wheels that has a car loan attached.

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Well, I'm so happy you did everything right, and I did everything wrong. :D

However, it's not quite as wrong as you think. I got married and stayed home with my children while my husband worked and attended college. The plan was for him to complete his degree and enter the workforce in a much higher paying field. Once he had done this, I was going to begin attending college around his work schedule so one of us was home with the children at all times. He was going into a field that often allows for telecommuting. His goal was to work towards working from home at least part time, enabling me to enter the workforce with my degree once I completed college around the children's needs. Oh, I suppose he could have finished his degree before he married and had children, but he had a very good paying job in his preferred field at the time we got married. He then chose to enlist in the military before attending college.

Now, somewhere in the midst of his college education, he decided he didn't want kids after all. So he's remarried with at least 2 more kids now... And I'm raising our four children completely alone, while in college because I know I can't support four children on a fast food income.

So again...how do I get scholarship money? (oh, and I am doing homework while I'm typing this...listening to philosophy lecture...weeeeee)

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I don't own a house and I don't own a car. Next?

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When I taught, I had a good number of students that did not have degrees that took jobs that helped with tuition.

Two of my kids took afternoon classes at the University while living at home before finishing high school. One had a year and another had 2 years college when turning 18. We have a lot of folks in church doing grad school while their kids are in high schoo.l. It is very hard to do school after starting a family.

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As a bank stockholder, is it reasonable for us to expect people to pay back the money? Then they would be out of debt and their credit would aallow them to borrow for a car or other stuff.

I could be wrong, but university tuition is free in Cuba. Some of my doc buddies came here any way. How is Cuba doing?

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University tuition is free in a lot of other countries - the fact that Cuba's is free means nothing.

The point is not that people's student loans should be forgiven, but that they shouldn't be there to begin with.

It's obvious you're perfect - have a nice day.

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Tell us why?

Then see if you are strong enough to explain why people borrowed money and loans should be forgiven and people that worked and paid for their education don't get the same pay back.

You are rewarding bad behavior. Is that what we should teach people?

Socialists amaze me. I suspect you also feel kids that flunk should also be forgiven.

Reminds me of a friend that paid some classmate to take tests for him in medical school.

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He's not saying that loans should be forgiven.

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I would tell them "Ok we won't raise tuition. We'll raise your taxes on everything else so you can have free education". Maybe they will get it then

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There is no such a thing as free education. The question is who pays for it and how. If it has an appearnce of no tuition, it may be offset by high taxes later.
How much can a Cuban doctor make? A bunch if he goes to Miami.

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So who pays the professors teaching classes? Who pays for the lights and other utilities? etc etc etc?

Personally I think everything should be free...it would be nice. But ultimately things cost money.

So if you give away an education for free to someone, it's still not really free. States, cities or even Countries have to pay for it somehow and that somehow is taxes and fees on other stuff.

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A friend of mine was an orthopaedic surgeon in the UK. When he came over here, he paid his physical therapist twice what he was making in England.

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In some schools within Universities, the professor salaries must be very high to keep the profs from going into industry.

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The expectation of anyone receiving any free education is just weird to me.

Why not a free house? Free food? Free medical?

Oh, wait!?! We do that too?