Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 986940)

Paul says we will judge angels in the world to come and also not to take church matters to civil court. How do we judge someone who is physically disabled and unable to engage in physical intimacy? Is pornagraphy acceptable for a physically disabled person? I personally would not condemn such a person.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986941)

Are you disabled, DM?

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 986940)

Paul says we will judge angels in the world to come and also not to take church matters to civil court. How do we judge someone who is physically disabled and unable to engage in physical intimacy? Is pornagraphy acceptable for a physically disabled person? I personally would not condemn such a person.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 986944)

HUH? :pullhair

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986945)

Well, let's think this through. What is harmful with pornography in the first place? For the man who is married or unmarried (though not disabled)? Does it violate anything that God has provided for us to live full lives?

What about giving ourselves over to lust? Fantasized sex with other people?

I'm going to get in here and ask the questions with you.... if what makes pornography sinful (something to be avoided or otherwise "not expedient" to the believer's list) and that reason has nothing to do with disability versus ability, then why would that change?

Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 986946)

I wouldn't condemn a person for pornography at all. Whether it's acceptable or not is a different question entirely.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 986940)

Paul says we will judge angels in the world to come and also not to take church matters to civil court. How do we judge someone who is physically disabled and unable to engage in physical intimacy? Is pornagraphy acceptable for a physically disabled person? I personally would not condemn such a person.

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 986957)

DM - - you like to stir things up don't you? LOL!

From what I understand, the danger of pornography is the addiction. It's like a drug.

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 986963)

We have a winner. It has influence over endorphins.

With pornography addiction, there is a change in the brain's chemistry (dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and serotonin) when pornography is viewed.

In the New Testament, sorcery is the english word for the greek Pharmacaea. It refers activity that changes ones thoughts.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 986940)

Paul says we will judge angels in the world to come and also not to take church matters to civil court. How do we judge someone who is physically disabled and unable to engage in physical intimacy? Is pornagraphy acceptable for a physically disabled person? I personally would not condemn such a person.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 986967)

DM, the only thing that came to my mind when I read this was what kind of mental hoops did you have to jump thru to come up with this question?

Sin entered the world thru lust (2 Peter 1:4) bubba. Lust is the gateway to all sin an pornography is the gateway to sexual lust.

Sex and intamacy are God ordained things but only in the proper context.

Mark 4: 18And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


I have great compassion for folks who suffer as you state here but it would not lead me to lead them into something that will choke the word out of their life.

peace my friend.

I agree with Cindy though. I am not in the business of condemnation. I do think we have a duty to shine the light of Truth in dark places... with love, kindness and gentleness...always offering peace.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 986967)

DM, the only thing that came to my mind when I read this was what kind of mental hoops did you have to jump thru to come up with this question?

Sin entered the world thru lust (2 Peter 1:4) bubba. Lust is the gateway to all sin an pornography is the gateway to sexual lust.

Sex and intamacy are God ordained things but only in the proper context.

Mark 4: 18And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


I have great compassion for folks who suffer as you state here but it would not lead me to lead them into something that will choke the word out of their life.

peace my friend.

I agree with Cindy though. I am not in the business of condemnation. I do think we have a duty to shine the light of Truth in dark places... with love, kindness and gentleness...always offering peace.

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 986963)

We have a winner. It has influence over endorphins.

With pornography addiction, there is a change in the brain's chemistry (dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and serotonin) when pornography is viewed.

In the New Testament, sorcery is the english word for the greek Pharmacaea. It refers activity that changes ones thoughts.

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 986966)

Coadie, doesn't this same effect happen in the brain when a man looks at his wife unclothed and/or engages in love play with her? I've always thought being stimulated and finding release is the same biologically regardless as to if it is with your wife, with another female who isn't your wife, by yourself, or observing erotic material. Biologically, isn't it the same?

Now, I know morally speaking there are differences. I'm speaking biologically. Because there was a time when I'd look at something erotic about once a week. However, after getting married I was looking at my wife and having relations with her sometimes two times a day three or more days a week. What would be the difference biologically speaking?

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986941)

Are you disabled, DM?

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986974)

Do you feel the same about masturbation in general? Divorced or widowed adults? BTW, not sure the word "lust" in your text is tied to what we are talking about. It's the general word for "desire"... KJV for you.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986975)

I agree with Aquila that your argumentation here is not correct. Endorphins are not the gauge for what is right or wrong, helpful or harmful.
And your breakdown of the word "Pharmacaea" is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 986985)

Porn comes from the Greek word "porneia". Paul says they that do it will not enter the kingdom.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986976)

Are you telling me you went from porn addict to no porn and lots of sex with wife just like that? That doesn't fit the normal cycle of cases I've been involved with. Porn addictions are not about lack of sex most often. This is why guys with beautiful wives who are always willing surprise us by having an affair with a toothless whore for $20. Go figure!

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 986976)

Are you telling me you went from porn addict to no porn and lots of sex with wife just like that? That doesn't fit the normal cycle of cases I've been involved with. Porn addictions are not about lack of sex most often. This is why guys with beautiful wives who are always willing surprise us by having an affair with a toothless whore for $20. Go figure!

Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 921696)

Good question, Chris. If you just think of drug addiction, you will pretty much understand the difference.

Studies show, when people are sexually enticed, identical responses in the brain take place as when someone uses cocaine or other narcotics. Natural dopamine is released, giving people temporary relief from pain, stress, leaving one feeling euphoric and distant from their troubles.

Other technologies do the same thing. For instance, Video games. One study done on children in the hospital is very interesting. They found, doctors were able to reduce the medications given to children to alter their pain if they allowed them to play Video games. The reason; dopamine gave the child a sense of relief and reward.

Having a normal relationship with the opposite sex requires many interactions that are not necessary with Pornography. Emotions, moods, smell, and enduring other negatives are required in the act of love between two people who are intimate. This will generally keep a barrier between addictive and natural tendencies.

Pornography is a completely different experience. The "Act" eliminates all interaction, leading the person to a selfish and dark yearning. In fact, a person who engages in Porn eventually is repulsed by actual sex, all because (He/She) is gratified by a picture rather than a person, becoming bound by the “Quick Fix”.

Sexually addicted people are drawn by what's in it for them, becoming oblivious to the need their mate, lust driving them, not love. If the addiction goes too far, caution is thrown to the wind, responsibilities are forsaken, and they become strangled by shame.

Shame is actually the greatest hurdle for the sexually addicted to overcome, but once someone can admit (confession) they have a problem the cure is on its way.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 986988)

Absolutely true. Porn is often the fuel for sex, not the resolution to lack of sex.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 986988)

Absolutely true. Porn is often the fuel for sex, not the resolution to lack of sex.

Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 986946)

I wouldn't condemn a person for pornography at all. Whether it's acceptable or not is a different question entirely.

Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 920833)

This is part of our problem today. We always think our troubles are worse today than yesterday. Sexual perversion has always infected this Planet.

A brief study about past civilizations proves this, beyond a doubt. The Romans were known for their radical orgies and twisted sexual appetites that would make our skin crawl.

Paul had to tackle this problem, as the Church of Corinth was full of incest. Imagine the days where Polygamy was the norm. Look at David, Samson, and everyone else in the Old Testament who fell into the clutches of immorality.

Yes, Internet Porn is a huge problem, but this is just another way to send people into the gutter sexually, but never forget, the gutter has ALWAYS been there.

This subject is a matter of conscience. I studied this problem for 10 years and wrote a book about it. Sexual addiction is just that, an addiction. We can fall headlong into this if we don't LISTEN to our conscience. Pornography is dark and evil. This is not rocket science. It's fake, and empty, and the conscience God gave us will send off the alarm if we'll listen.

Anyone who reads this and has had an experience with Pornography knows what I'm talking about. Looking at Porn leaves you feeling dirty, empty, and unfulfilled. Just like drugs. The initial "Rush" may seem pleasant but the end result is a complete let down.

The more we face this problem with the simplicity and reality of what it is, the more we can conquer this World which is nothing more than a fantasy that has always put people in the prison of shame.

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 986991)

What strikes me is that most here are supposed experts on the subject... but aren't even willing to admit their own experience with it. :toofunny

Careful, if you're honest, you might be called a porn addict when you were no where near the addict level. ;)

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 986992)

Fuel for sex? I'm not sure I understand your comment. I don't know that porn addicts are really "fueled" to have sex with their wives. People who are addicted to porn are addicted to a world that isn't real. If anything, they'll be fueled to look for sex in places they shouldn't.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 986992)

Fuel for sex? I'm not sure I understand your comment. I don't know that porn addicts are really "fueled" to have sex with their wives. People who are addicted to porn are addicted to a world that isn't real. If anything, they'll be fueled to look for sex in places they shouldn't.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 986997)

Aquila, sharing "experience" either involves confessing a personal sin or, even more invasive, sharing an experience of someone close that was probably supposed to be kept in confidence. Neither of those are necessary to this thread.

I could tell several detailed stories, and it wouldn't really contribute anything of value to this thread. I don't need to confess that I've lied in my life or that I know someone who has in order to have an opinion (and a good opinion) about lying. Kwim?

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 986998)

Exactly.

To the point of not even wanting sex with another person.