---> DENVER STANFORD - "I am a Soul Winner"
 

Bro. DENVER STANFORD preached at Alexandria... "I am a Soul Winner".

Anyone know if this was video taped and if it is available online anywhere ?

Thanks

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I saw something on Facebook, I will see if I can find it.

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Sorry, I can't find it. Have you done a Google search?

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http://gowinsouls.com/messages/soulwinning/

This was the only link I found. It should be included with the others.

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What is a "soul winner?"

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I think it's a term used for winning souls to Christ.

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an evangelist

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What is a "soul winner" scripturally?

Are we confusing the work of the Spirit for the one who tells others about Jesus? Who "wins" people, and is it just me or does that sound strange?

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I think that might be the case. Jesus draws souls to Him, we tell people about Jesus. There is a difference.

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Prov 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

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A harvester.

Pro 11:29 The one who troubles his family will inherit nothing, and the fool will be a servant to the wise person.
Pro 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is like a tree producing life, and the one who wins souls is wise.
Pro 11:31 If the righteous are recompensed on earth, how much more the wicked sinner!

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It's interesting, but I'm not sure this Proverb has anything to do with evangelism.


Trust in your money and down you go!
But the godly flourish like leaves in spring.

29 Those who bring trouble on their families inherit the wind.
The fool will be a servant to the wise.

30 The seeds of good deeds become a tree of life;
a wise person wins friends.

Where do we get that this is evangelism?

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Luk 5:10 and so also were James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, "Do not be afraid; from now on you will be catching men."

Pro 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and whoever captures souls is wise.

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Let's go back to Luke, but again, I'm not sure why we are proof-texting Proverbs 11:30 as an evangelistic verse?

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Re Luke, can we agree this is absolutely figurative -- Jesus uses imagery of what the disciple is familiar with (fishing) to talk about how his pursuits will soon change (to that of an Apostle). Let's start there....

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Because our theology will get all jumbled up ... and we may not have it all figured out.

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the point is an answer to the question of what a soul winner/capturer is as it is being used in accordance to this thread

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Is Proverbs referring to evangelism or winning people to God or Jesus though?

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Will you stop it with your, "What does it really mean" stuff? How in good conscience can you ruin thousands of sermons, guilt trips, and seminars by revealing what this verse really means? Ya big jerk. Surely you know by now that what verses really mean, doesn't even matter, right?

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Oh, good grief.

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It's the truth!!



"Where two or three are gathered."

"I can do all things through Christ."

"The thief is come to steal, kill, and destroy."

"I will laugh at your calamity."

"Forgetting those things which are behind."


This list gets so long, it's ridiculous.



No one seems to care what this stuff really means. Let's just preach good sermons, kick over a pew, and pretend we got something done.

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I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?

A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.

The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.

That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics

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I'm glad someone said it! Thanks.

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yea me too...

I was about to go there myself.


I suppose we should just go to church and smile and let jebus "CALL ALL MEN"

etc.

good grief.

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Never mind me, I'm just sick and cranky. How two little words can mean something so vastly different to us.

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I have used just about all of these scriptures...and as far as I can tell they mean exactly what they say....
Any time you preach context must be applied....but these scriptures used in context mean what they say.


Prov 1:26 is a little different though....I will laugh at your calamity.....I have heard men preach that God will do that at the last day....a bit of a stretch there...

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So what is your usage of these verses? With context considered here's what I see:


"Where two or three are gathered." The settling of conflicts and has nothing to do with a number of people needed in order to have God's involvement or presence. We have God's involvement and/or His presence if we're completely alone.

"I can do all things through Christ." Paul was speaking of his ability to deal with having much or little, being rich or poor, and had nothing to do with, "I can jog 20 miles because I can do all things......".

"The thief is come to steal, kill, and destroy." Not speaking of the devil but rather, speaking of hireling ministers who didn't have the best interest of the people at heart. Jesus was speaking to religion, not the devil.

"I will laugh at your calamity." This is not the voice of God, it's the voice of wisdom. When we practice life in an unwise way and suffer the collateral damage of such, wisdom will laugh at our calamity.

"Forgetting those things which are behind." This is always applied to past failures, and certainly those things need to be put in the past. But Paul said this directly after speaking of all his accomplishments, not his failures.

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As far as I can tell this is all the same topic. What does "soul winning" meaning. Then Proverbs is the proof-text. So now we have two questions, as part of a rational flow in a conversation: what is "soul winning" (still left undefined), and what about Proverbs has anything to do with "soul winning?" You do understand the phrase "winning souls" in Proverbs has nothing to do with fish, fishing, evangelism, etc?

Leading to Christ, yes. But "winning souls" brings a new connotation to evangelism and mission that isn't part of the Gospel intention. The Spirit "wins" people (that word brings a competitiveness that is a little trite). We are heralds, proclaiming, discipling, etc... But the Spirit does the real work in evangelism, not us.

Living a Gospel-centered life, we don't have to form "evangelism teams" or have an "outreach director." We are living our lives fully in the mission of God. We are sharing with others. Being sensitive to what the Spirit is already doing. No need to grab a bull horn and tear down people's doors to invite them to "church."

Anyway... the subject is the biblical language of "soul winning." Thus far, you have more of a case to call it "fishing" since Proverbs has nothing to do with evangelism.

In the case of fishing, it's quite clear the language is figurative, and has much to do with the uncertainty of the disciples to leave behind their lives work of fishing.

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Why the sighs and moans over here? Just chime in and discuss.

See my previous post in response to your "I guess it's either we are 'soul winners' or nothing."

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:thumbsup

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John 12:32

How is He lifted up?

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Like I said....no one cares. It's true, huh? Just force-feed me sermons using the bible completely out of context, make me feel better, give me the illusion that it matters, and we'll be happy.

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Actually, read this verse outside of the KJV, Cindy. I think that will be helpful. Jesus is saying "when" he is lifted up from the earth, he will bring people to Him. This is a literal statement using figurative language. He is not lifted up by "praise and worship," at least in this context (though I've used that expression ad nauseam). There are other ways we can show that praise and worship "lift him up" or "magnify" or "exalt" him.

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Cindy,

And I,(AV) when I am lifted up from the earth,(AW) will draw(AX) all people to myself." 33He said this(AY) to show by what kind of death he was going to die. 34So the crowd answered him, "We have heard from the Law that(AZ) the Christ remains forever. How can you say that(BA) the Son of Man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man?" 35So Jesus said to them, (BB) "The light is among you(BC) for a little while longer.(BD) Walk while you have the light, lest darkness(BE) overtake you.(BF) The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. 36While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become(BG) sons of light."

Lifted up here is a description of his position on the cross... yes, no?

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It's an obvious reference to the Old Testament..."The serpent being lifted up in the wilderness." But I read something years ago that went into detail of a culture of the time....can't remember at the moment....that supposedly Jesus was referring to.

But there were certain people that would come to the king with a grievance and desire an audience with him. There was an understanding that the petitioner would more likely gain an audience with the king if he acknowledged the king's authority and "Lifted him up", as in, put in his proper place of rulership. Supposedly, Jesus was saying, "If I be lifted up...if I am put in the place of priority, if your will is set aside and mine is sought....I will draw all men unto me."

I preached a big ole sermon on that 20 years ago. Got the crowd worked up, but maybe I should go look for my notes and do the research again.

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Yes, that is my point. Jesus is the soul winner. We are His witnesses. But I also understand the view point of those that use the term. Right or wrong. As in: I witnessed to someone and Jesus saved them. So that soul is won to Christ.

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I didn't realize you were taking that angle.

The verse is not a "soul-winning" verse, still. In fact, the term "winning souls" is not even found in the NT.

But you are right in what you said at the end there. Reminds me of Paul: I planted, Apollos watered, God gives the increase."

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I think the reference to Moses and the serpent both point to his death, and the power of his death. Relationship is made whole by his death. The point of what he's saying in the Text is to show how he will die. On a stick, a tree, a cross.

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Yeah, the same way I couldn't understand it going another direction. I thought it was just as plain to everyone else. :)

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Still not getting what you're saying. What's "plain?" The verse in Proverbs has nothing to do with evangelism. The term "soul winning" is not a New Testament phrase, and has nothing to do with soul winning, yet it's used by many groups to infer that it does.

The "lifted up" text: has nothing to with soul winning. Has to do with Jesus' death, and if anything, the power of the cross.

Please explain what is "plain."