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Socialite 11-17-2010 02:40 PM

DWTS - Objective Viewership
 
So last night former Pop Star, Brandy was voted off the show. Brandy, whose dancing many thought would be a finalist and possible winner (between her and Jennifer Gray) lost, while Bristol Palin remained on the show.

Anyone that has watched this show is beside themselves. Palin has consistently gotten the lowest dancing marks on the show yet is being kept on the show by viewers. But why?

My take is that DWTS needs to come up with a rule similar to American Idol, where they can bring back someone they feel should still be dancing.

America is getting this one wrong. It's a dancing show.

rgcraig 11-17-2010 02:41 PM

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Brandy's attitude got her voted off.

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989408)
Brandy's attitude got her voted off.

Whaaaaaa??? Her attitude?? lol

It was her partner that had the tude, if anyone.

What judge complained about Brandy's attitude? It's a dancing competition... she was consistently getting better and outperforming everyone. She had a will to win.

Ferd 11-17-2010 02:44 PM

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we are beside ourselves over a dance contest? really? we are?

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 989415)
we are beside ourselves over a dance contest? really? we are?

As we do sports contests, trivia and sometimes even on AFF. Yes, beside ourselves. Imagine that.

Beside themselves = surprised = shocked = stunned.

Sheesh... can't win to lose with you.

coadie 11-17-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989407)
So last night former Pop Star, Brandy was voted off the show. Brandy, whose dancing many thought would be a finalist and possible winner (between her and Jennifer Gray) lost, while Bristol Palin remained on the show.

Anyone that has watched this show is beside themselves. Palin has consistently gotten the lowest dancing marks on the show yet is being kept on the show by viewers. But why?

My take is that DWTS needs to come up with a rule similar to American Idol, where they can bring back someone they feel should still be dancing.

America is getting this one wrong. It's a dancing show.

It is about the viewers. No viewers, the show goes off the air. Brandy can still dance. any time and anywhere. :bliss

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 989419)
It is about the viewers. No viewers, the show goes off the air. Brandy can still dance. any time and anywhere. :bliss

And what does this say about the viewers? Are they judging a dance contest or playing politics?

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:48 PM

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Fact is, they get the viewers no matter what. Stars are dancing. That attracts viewers. Artists playing on elimination nights, that attracts viewers.

rgcraig 11-17-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989418)
As we do sports contests, trivia and sometimes even on AFF. Yes, beside ourselves. Imagine that.

Beside themselves = surprised = shocked = stunned.

Sheesh... can't win to lose with you.

If you had a sense of humor you could - - you just read Ferd's post with lemon juice - :bliss

coadie 11-17-2010 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 989415)
we are beside ourselves over a dance contest? really? we are?

Apparently a major injustice

:reaction

:scoregood

The palins have to work for their prizes. This ain't like the Noble peace prize.

coadie 11-17-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989420)
And what does this say about the viewers? Are they judging a dance contest or playing politics?

Is she in a party? The Mama Griz Jr. Party?

Let's party.

MissBrattified 11-17-2010 02:51 PM

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Maybe Bristol has had some Tea Party voters--who knows for sure? Regardless, even though she is a good dancer, I disliked Brandy from the beginning, and I was fine with seeing her go. It is about dancing, but voters are also going to vote for people who are likable. That's just how it is.

Bristol stated today that there are so many people who dislike her mother, that it could have gone either way for her. I agree; she could have been voted off the first week simply because there are so many people who hate Sarah Palin. They pass that dislike right down to Bristol without any good reason; if you don't believe it, read the vicious comments on the news stories and blogs.

This is NO different than the scandal when AI fans blamed Christian voters for the win over Adam Lambert. As if Christian voters are not allowed to have an opinion. :rolleyes2

Bristol actually got her highest scores of the season on Monday night, and I thought she did a good job. Brandy is obviously a better dancer, but she isn't as likable. Also, no one is acknowledging the underdog effect. Bristol started with little or no dancing experience, her mother's bad press hanging over her head, and a lot of sympathy because she was raised under a microscope.

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989423)
If you had a sense of humor you could - - you just read Ferd's post with lemon juice - :bliss

I have a sense of humor. I just don't find Ferd very funny.

We haven't shared enough warm and fuzzy to get there I guess.

But of course it's me... all me... ha.

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 989424)
Apparently a major injustice

:reaction

:scoregood

The palins have to work for their prizes. This ain't like the Noble peace prize.

Over-reaction? This is all over the papers... America morning shows are talking about. I brought the discussion to AFF.

You guys are so freaking predictable. No objectivity at all. If it goes against your team, side, viewpoint, you will minimize, dismiss or fight to the death.

MissBrattified 11-17-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989420)
And what does this say about the viewers? Are they judging a dance contest or playing politics?

Does it really matter? If it's really up to the public, then it's up to the public. If these shows don't like that, then they can make the decision entirely up to the judges. That wouldn't be in the shows' best interests, though, because needing viewer participation is probably a major component in their ratings.

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 989426)
Maybe Bristol has had some Tea Party voters--who knows for sure? Regardless, even though she is a good dancer, I disliked Brandy from the beginning, and I was fine with seeing her go. It is about dancing, but voters are also going to vote for people who are likable. That's just how it is.

Bristol stated today that there are so many people who dislike her mother, that it could have gone either way for her. I agree; she could have been voted off the first week simply because there are so many people who hate Sarah Palin. They pass that dislike right down to Bristol without any good reason; if you don't believe it, read the vicious comments on the news stories and blogs.

This is NO different than the scandal when AI fans blamed Christian voters for the win over Adam Lambert. As if Christian voters are not allowed to have an opinion. :rolleyes2

Bristol actually got her highest scores of the season on Monday night, and I thought she did a good job. Brandy is obviously a better dancer, but she isn't as likable. Also, no one is acknowledging the underdog effect. Bristol started with little or no dancing experience, her mother's bad press hanging over her head, and a lot of sympathy because she was raised under a microscope.

I think the Kris Allen deal was a little different... Allen was actually a qualified finalist. Bristol? Not even sure how she's still here. Much better dancers have left before her.

Not sure what the "likeability" thing is with Brandy you keep referring to. She was the princess of R&B forever and day, played Beauty & the Beast and is the epitome of Miss Disney... she's a competitor, but also a sweetheart.

Bottom line: Bristol Palin is in the finals of a dancing contest and is a pretty horrible dancer.

rgcraig 11-17-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989431)
Over-reaction? This is all over the papers... America morning shows are talking about. I brought the discussion to AFF.

You guys are so freaking predictable. No objectivity at all. If it goes against your team, side, viewpoint, you will minimize, dismiss or fight to the death.

So, what is your reaction? Your "team" didn't win and you can't believe it.

I didn't watch the show, but I did see it last night.

I know from the friends that talk about it (and they watch) it's like Miss Bratt said - no one liked Brandy. She didn't appeal to the audience and when they are the ones voting, you've got to appeal to them too - - not just dance the best.

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 989432)
Does it really matter? If it's really up to the public, then it's up to the public. If these shows don't like that, then they can make the decision entirely up to the judges. That wouldn't be in the shows' best interests, though, because needing viewer participation is probably a major component in their ratings.

I think it matters, and I think it's interesting. Is this ANOTHER post that you don't and that's that?

The "wednesday morning" conversation is: what criteria are the viewers using to vote?

rgcraig 11-17-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989435)
I think it matters, and I think it's interesting. Is this ANOTHER post that you don't and that's that?

The "wednesday morning" conversation is: what criteria are the viewers using to vote?

Who they like.

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989434)
So, what is your reaction? Your "team" didn't win and you can't believe it.

I didn't watch the show, but I did see it last night.

I know from the friends that talk about it (and they watch) it's like Miss Bratt said - no one liked Brandy. She didn't appeal to the audience and when they are the ones voting, you've got to appeal to them too - - not just dance the best.

Actually, I like Jennifer Gray as the winner.

But in a dancing finals about of so many great dancers, I find it interesting that Palin is dancing, and I can't help but think that it's more political than letting this be about dancing. The viewers for DWTS are increasingly more middle-class, older, and white. Each season the viewership shifts that direction. It's not the same American Idol audience.

coadie 11-17-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989431)
Over-reaction? This is all over the papers... America morning shows are talking about. I brought the discussion to AFF.

You guys are so freaking predictable. No objectivity at all. If it goes against your team, side, viewpoint, you will minimize, dismiss or fight to the death.

Probably so. If folks don't agree with you, they have no choice but to be totally missing all objectivity.

:neener

:shockamoo

:missing

Ferd 11-17-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989418)
As we do sports contests, trivia and sometimes even on AFF. Yes, beside ourselves. Imagine that.

Beside themselves = surprised = shocked = stunned.

Sheesh... can't win to lose with you.

in that case, this is very good for DWTS. more pub is a good thing...

Socialite 11-17-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989436)
Who they like.

I suspect that too.

Seems like dancing merit should be part of that.

rgcraig 11-17-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989437)
Actually, I like Jennifer Gray as the winner.

But in a dancing finals about of so many great dancers, I find it interesting that Palin is dancing.

Just throwing this out there, but aren't people prone sometimes to go for the underdog?

Jennifer Gray and Brandy are better dancers, but they are dancers. Bristol and others that have won in the past, weren't dancers. To see them improve is what people like.

To make the show fair, I think they need to only have people that haven't danced professionally before compete, but that's just me.

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:00 PM

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And actually, RG, I've rooted on Bristol when she performed. I've been so nervous for her, including all the times they had her mom on the show somehow... I realize she has a lot of pressure on her because of that. Her mom's likeability is strong, but polarizing. I wanted to see Bristol show some independence, etc... the show has been good for her.

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989442)
Just throwing this out there, but aren't people prone sometimes to go for the underdog?

Jennifer Gray and Brandy are better dancers, but they are dancers. Bristol and others that have won in the past, weren't dancers. To seem them improve is what people like.

To make the show fair, I think they need to only have people that haven't danced professionally before compete, but that's just me.

Jennifer Gray is aging and has some physical conditions.

Yes, people are prone to root for underdogs. But at the end of the day, if you are casting your vote for best dance, seems like it shouldn't be the underdog for the sake of the underdog. Maybe not even the person you rooted for.

None of these contestants have been professional dancers.

MissBrattified 11-17-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989433)
I think the Kris Allen deal was a little different... Allen was actually a qualified finalist. Bristol? Not even sure how she's still here. Much better dancers have left before her.

Not sure what the "likeability" thing is with Brandy you keep referring to. She was the princess of R&B forever and day, played Beauty & the Beast and is the epitome of Miss Disney... she's a competitor, but also a sweetheart.

Bottom line: Bristol Palin is in the finals of a dancing contest and is a pretty horrible dancer.

If you think Brandy is a "sweetheart", we define that word differently. :D I've always liked Max, even though he is sort of a male chauvinist, but Brandy has grated on my nerves all season. I'm referring mainly to her interactions with Max off the dance floor.

I agree with you that Bristol isn't a wonderful dancer. However, neither was Buzz Aldrin from last year's season, and he lasted a few weeks. IMO, it was nothing but personal respect for him from the public that kept him there.

Bottom line for me is that these shows are set up to take the public's vote, and they do that to boost ratings. There's no way to prove unfair voting practices, even if they do exist. I am surprised that Bristol has lasted this long, but I would have thought she would be gone for the same reason many think she's still there: politics. She started out with a big disadvantage, and she's managed to last, and keep a good attitude in the face of very cruel critics. I give her props for that, and it isn't like it's the Nobel peace prize she's after, so I'm not all that invested in who wins or loses.

I really have a hard time believing that there are so many tea partiers watching DWTS and voting afterward. It doesn't seem like it would be their *thing.* :heeheehee

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 989438)
Probably so. If folks don't agree with you, they have no choice but to be totally missing all objectivity.

:neener

:shockamoo

:missing

:blah


I like Bristol Palin. I'm not a Sarah Palin fan, but I don't share the same ire as liberal democrats do with her. But I can also see this it's odd that she's in the finals. That's using a little objectivity.

It's so predictable on here. I can post any thread and keep record of how the responses go, depending if the criticism, inquiry or question, is for example, something Coadie's flavor. In your case, anything about Obama is damnable. I could tell you he saved a kids life as a teenager and you'd go on and on about how much BS it is. It's just laughable.

Cindy 11-17-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989427)
I have a sense of humor. I just don't find Ferd very funny.

We haven't shared enough warm and fuzzy to get there I guess.

But of course it's me... all me... ha.

Yes, it is. You will just have to find out things like this as time passes. We try to warn people, some just don't listen. Not everyone is sweet and funny like me. And a lot of people don't think Prax and Pel have a sense of humor either. :D

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 989445)
If you think Brandy is a "sweetheart", we define that word differently. :D I've always liked Max, even though he is sort of a male chauvinist, but Brandy has grated on my nerves all season. I'm referring mainly to her interactions with Max off the dance floor.

I agree with you that Bristol isn't a wonderful dancer. However, neither was Buzz Aldrin from last year's season, and he lasted a few weeks. IMO, it was nothing but personal respect for him from the public that kept him there.

Bottom line for me is that these shows are set up to take the public's vote, and they do that to boost ratings. There's no way to prove unfair voting practices, even if they do exist. I am surprised that Bristol has lasted this long, but I would have thought she would be gone for the same reason many think she's still there: politics. She started out with a big disadvantage, and she's managed to last, and keep a good attitude in the face of very cruel critics. I give her props for that, and it isn't like it's the Nobel peace prize she's after, so I'm not all that invested in who wins or loses.

I really have a hard time believing that there are so many tea partiers watching DWTS and voting afterward. It doesn't seem like it would be their *thing.* :heeheehee

I know why you like Max :)

All the ladies do. But come on, the guy blew up to Carrie Ann and then couldn't let it go. It was horrible.

Good call about Buzz Aldrin. He stayed on a couple weeks, but the equivalent would be him dancing the finals.

I didn't think she'd be gone for politics (can't say I never thought of it), but just watching her dance. Her face lacks the emotion, artistry and drama of the dance.

I think DWTS viewership is much more conservative than many realize.

rgcraig 11-17-2010 03:06 PM

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Some day we want to all grow up and be as objectible as you Socialite!

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 989448)
Yes, it is. You will just have to find out things like this as time passes. We try to warn people, some just don't listen. Not everyone is sweet and funny like me. And a lot of people don't think Prax and Pel have a sense of humor either. :D

Pel is brilliant and actually has a sense of humor.

Prax a sense of humor!? :ursofunny

rgcraig 11-17-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989449)
I know why you like Max :)

All the ladies do. But come on, the guy blew up to Carrie Ann and then couldn't let it go. It was horrible.

Good call about Buzz Aldrin. He stayed on a couple weeks, but the equivalent would be him dancing the finals.

I didn't think she'd be gone for politics (can't say I never thought of it), but just watching her dance. Her face lacks the emotion, artistry and drama of the dance.

I think DWTS viewership is much more conservative than many realize.

I think you probably have a point. Kind of like the difference in the MTV awards and the CMA awards - - - whole different crowd/viewers.

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989451)
Some day we want to all grow up and be as objectible as you Socialite!

And here comes the big group tag-team.

Yes, keep striving Renda.

Some are better than others... I suck with it at times... but some on here are 0 for 100. Their position is predictable each time.

rgcraig 11-17-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989452)
Pel is brilliant and actually has a sense of humor.

Prax a sense of humor!? :ursofunny

Oh yes - - if you could only read some of the stuff back in the admin area!!!

Socialite 11-17-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 989455)
Oh yes - - if you could only read some of the stuff back in the admin area!!!

I bet he's REEEEAL good at cracking up behind people's back! :thumbsup

That's okay. All is fair. If you could only read some of the PM's I get! :thumbsup

rgcraig 11-17-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989454)
And here comes the big group tag-team.

Yes, keep striving Renda.

Some are better than others... I suck with it at times... but some on here are 0 for 100. Their position is predictable each time.

And once again, couldn't agree with you any more!

And, I'll make it a personal goal of mine - to keep on striving "to be like Socialite, to be like Socialite" :sing

MissBrattified 11-17-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989449)
I know why you like Max :)

All the ladies do. But come on, the guy blew up to Carrie Ann and then couldn't let it go. It was horrible.

Well, I blamed Carrie Ann for that, because I can't blame Max for anything, and you know why...apparently. :D It would be shortsighted to think that his behavior didn't play into them being voted off.

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Good call about Buzz Aldrin. He stayed on a couple weeks, but the equivalent would be him dancing the finals.

I didn't think she'd be gone for politics (can't say I never thought of it), but just watching her dance. Her face lacks the emotion, artistry and drama of the dance.

I think DWTS viewership is much more conservative than many realize.
I think that's so hysterically funny, because DWTS is on the very *liberal* end of the shows I watch, with all that gyrating to music and touching and sexy dressing and guys like Max. :heeheehee

rgcraig 11-17-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 989458)
I bet he's REEEEAL good at cracking up behind people's back! :thumbsup

That's okay. All is fair. If you could only read some of the PM's I get! :thumbsup

LOL!

And, I'm guilty of one of those - - - I thought I was sending it to someone else when I sent it to you.

Cindy 11-17-2010 03:12 PM

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Ahem, why are Apostolics watching AI and DWTS? IDOLATRY!!!!!!!!!! SIN, SIN, SIN!!!!!!!!


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