How the TSA shakes down a fully armed squad
 

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/1...r-tsa-outrage/

A friend of mine sent me this about his TSA experience. He, unlike most of us, was coming back into the country from Afghanistan on a military charter.

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As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the following:

When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards.

Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the Indiana National Guard. That’s where the stupid started.

First, everyone was forced to get off the plane–even though the plane wasn’t refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a male/female latrine.

It’s probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons. Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren’t loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.

The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected. Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area, the TSA decided not to reinspect our Cargo–just to inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected, reinspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever. So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.

This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying pistols.

So we’re in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they’re going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went something like this:

TSA Guy: You can’t take those on the plane.

Soldier: What? I’ve had them since we left country.

TSA Guy: You’re not suppose to have them.

Soldier: Why?

TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.

Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I’m allowed to take it on.

TSA Guy: Yeah but you can’t use it to take over the plane. You don’t have bullets.

Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?

TSA Guy: [awkward silence]

Me: Dude, just give him your ........ nail clippers so we can get the f**k out of here. I’ll buy you a new set.

Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]

This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine guns–but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.

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Yep. One wonders exactly how much the American people are going to tolerate before they wake up from their "oh please take my rights... just make me safe" dreamland.

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Some people say this may blow up and get corrected before the holiday.

Janet Reno targeted the Davidian compound. Butch Napolitano is targeting every flier except those wearing Islamic names or apparell.

These illegal searches are missing one thing. Probable cause. If you tell a screener you have for example a pacemaker or a hip prosthesis, that is not probable cause to do a cavity search.

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Indeed. We are assured in the constitution an inalienable right that we cannot be searched without probable cause.

A decision to fly in an airplane is not probable cause.

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I work in aviation security as a Security Access Coordinator for a local airport. I work closely with the TSA, BDO's, and the screeners. There so manny things that people aren't aware of and that we are not permitted to talk about because it's SSI.

I have one question. Do you want to make it to your destination in one piece?

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By choosing to purchase a ticket and fly, you're freely choosing to abide by all security policies and regulations that are in place. It's YOUR choice. If you don't want to be searched... drive.

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Is this still true?

4th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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This is the kind of thing we're up against...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/03...-experts-warn/

The enemy is also increasingly choosing to use children.

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The question still remains...

Is this still true?

4th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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You freely choose to fly or not to fly. No one is making you fly. If you are uncomfortable with the safety procedures.... don't fly. Since I work in aviation security, I know that if my son were going to be boarding a plane to visit family... I want you searched... especially if you choose not to be scanned. If you don't like it. Drive, or rent a private plane.

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Yes. The only way that right can be denied is if someone chooses to relinquish that right. By choosing to fly (it's your choice) you're choosing to abide by security policies and federal security directives.

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I' have to jet, I have a few background checks to run, I'll be back shortly.

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Terrorists "could" this and terrorists "could" that.

I think we need to face that we are not safe. And yes, probably not from our own government either.

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So I must alienate my inalienable rights if I want to fly?

I wonder if anybody even knows what inalienable means. The concept of inalienable rights is this. These are rights afforded us by God before the country existed and they remain ours and they are owned by us... not granted by the government... and they, therefore, cannot be taken away without due process and proper warrant.

There are no if's, and's or but's.

They are my rights... I own them... God gave them to me... and the government must go through certain specific, required and mandatory steps to even temporarily infringe upon those rights.

But TSA and all the other little minion groups formed under the "oh please... strip me of every right... I don't care... just keep my little booty safe" regime born under the smoke of two fallen towers doesn't even know what these things mean.

I am right... the government is wrong.

But the words of Voltaire remain intact...“It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.”

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Yep... Terrorists could plan a terrorist attack while eating chicken. Better search everyone who orders KFC.

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Well if you're going to "jet" be sure and get groped while you're at it.

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We will have highway checkpoints soon as in communism.

The brown shirts are coming. Do you think a woman wants her husband to be in a groping job for a living?

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This will help clobber the airline business.
Everytime the leftists "do good" they are not smart enough to consider un expected consequences.

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How intrusive. You actually make a living disrespecting personal privacy and liberty.

That is like nuns operating a cathouse to suplement funds for the poor and needy.

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At a deeper level, they tried to trap Palin on "the Bush doctrine" The Bush doctrine the leftist extremists despised was the pre-emptive military strike.
Now they are doing pre-emptive measures on innocent civilians. The irony.

I have an employee that has pilots license. We need a plane.

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So now we fear our government's security measures, instead of the terrorists. Works well for the terrorists doesn't it?

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It's like 4:30 every day our local cops put on the radio where they are going to have alcohol checkpoints tonight.

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Nobody said we fear them. What we are saying is that they are doing things that they are not permitted to do by the Constitution.

The Constitution says that I have the inalienable right to be secure in my person, property & home and that I cannot be searched without proper warrant that specifically mentions me and what they are looking for.

As a matter of fact... Thomas Jefferson said... When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

What you are seeing is not a people who fear the government... but people who do not fear the government.

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I meant the fear of losing more personal rights from our government for security reasons. The terrorists have been terrorizing a lot longer than we have been reacting. I am sure they foresaw some of this coming.

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The strawman argument.

We have for many decades before the TSA came along.

Aquila, you can't justify your self by that false argument. Using fear as a lever to gain power doesn't work with rational people.

Your argument is the same wording the Mafia uses. It would be bad if something happened to your family.

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If the people making these decisions had a clue it might not be so bad.
But, they're inconsistent.

While three year olds get traumatized this is in the works:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cair...99s-head-neck/

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That's just it. My rights aren't the governments to pick and chose which of the inalienable rights they will alienate today under the guise of safety.

Benjamin Franklin had it ever so right.

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

If fear or afraid falls into this situation it is this... I would say to the government "I'm afraid my rights aren't yours to take."

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inalinable is in the declaration not the constitution.

As much as I hate this and demand we get it fixed, Aquila is right. flying is not a right. when you purchace a ticket you agree to the terms set down to fly.

I do believe that while a private company can require very strict terms, I dont think the government has the same rights. our government is to protect us and is bound by the constitution.

So I think there is room here for challenge because the TSA is government.

Further, if these pat downs and magic nekked scanners were actually the best way to stop bad guys, I might be more inclined to agree. but they arent. they are just lazy and invasive methods.

the TSA and this government needs to be stopped.

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Yes, they are all of our inalienable rights. We can only choose to legally lay down our rights in a given situation voluntarily. When you choose to fly of your own free will and purchase tickets, you’re consenting to the policies and regulations governing the airlines. Just as a corporation has the authority to ban smoking or firearms on their campus, airlines and government has the power to require certain things of you when boarding planes belonging to the airline. It becomes a government issue when lives may be at stake.

It’s like the military… if you don’t want to surrender some of your liberties… don’t sign up. If you don’t want to be searched… don’t fly. It’s simple.

Oh, you can choose to rent a private plane service.

Over three thousand Americans died that day. Never again is our objective. And it’s harder than it looks to the peace loving passengers that have no idea what we’re protecting them from.

Really? If you only knew.

Maybe the TSA, BDO’s, FAM’s, and others should take a week’s vacation for a week and allow some local rent a cop agency to just make sure passengers board in an orderly fashion without being searched. Maybe the nightmare that would unfold will wake Americans up to the reality that we’re still at war.

I’m not saying that there have been absolutely no abuses. I’m not saying that perhaps various security agencies could do better to inform the population as to the why’s and how’s. I’m just saying that for the most part, various agencies are doing what has to be done to protect the airways.

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You're being outrageous. lol

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Well, the background checks were uneventful. :(

I'm kinda disappointed. lol

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Oh Aquila...

If you could only see that your opine is connected to your livelihood as well as you see it for pastors & tithes.

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Coadie, do you know anyone who works for the TSA personally? If so, I suggest you talk to them a little. They can't tell you much, but they can give you some angles maybe you're not considering.

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Yeah. That is scarily indicative of many in your business.

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Maybe we should make you responsible for keeping the airway safe Coadie. :)

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Nobody is forced to fly. It's an individual's choice. If you choose to fly, you've chosen to abide by the rules governing aviation security. If you don't want to be searched... rent a private plane service or drive. It's your right.

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Coadie... things aren't pre-emptive. When terrorists use a method to evade aviation security in Europe, Africa, or the Middle East, security directives are issued regarding how to detect and contain such measures. There is a REASON behind much of what you see. Since it's SSI and can't be discussed in detail, it's easy for moody civilians who don't care if my kids get blown up to gripe.

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People do not have a "right to fly". Flying is a service provided by airline companies. If a citizen CHOOSES to fly, they are CHOOSING to abide by security standards. If you do not wish to abide by security standards you're free to fly using a private plane service or drive. It's your right.

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No sir. It is my RIGHT to not be subjected to search without proper warrant.

THAT... dear brother... is my right and it is well enumerated in the founding document of this country.

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Blah, blah, blah. You're so radical, you come off as just a joke Coadie. lol