HA! He's a perv himself! The Banning Pastor
 

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=13302420

Maybe that is really why he is banning facebook!

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Apparently this didn't have anything to do with FB. However it also does not reflect on whether or not FB is a bad idea for married couples hooking up with former lovers

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It tells us a lot about the pastor though!

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Was the dopes conscience... had nothing to do with fb.

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a threesome?
and maybe a foursome?
well,
doesn't the Bible tell us to love one another?

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You're going for a record or what?

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If he's repented it might explain why he feels so convicted in his new commandment.

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NEPTUNE TOWNSHIP, N.J. – A pastor who said Facebook was a "portal to infidelity" and told married church leaders to delete their accounts or resign once testified that he had a three-way sexual relationship with his wife and a male church assistant.

The Rev. Cedric Miller confirmed the information reported Saturday by the Asbury Park Press of Neptune, which cited testimony he gave in a criminal case in 2003. The relationship had ended by that time.

Miller gained national attention when he issued the Facebook edict this week. He said it came about because much of the marital counseling he has performed over the past year and a half has concerned infidelity stemming from the social-networking website.

The 48-year-old leader of Living Word Christian Fellowship Church in Neptune Township had claimed Facebook ignites old passions, and he ordered about 50 married church officials to delete their accounts with the social networking site or resign from their leadership positions.

Miller had previously asked married congregants to share their login information with their spouses — as he does — and now plans to suggest that they give up Facebook altogether. The minister also said he would leave the site this week.

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My desktop computer is on a desk in a room of our house that used to be a bedroom but is now called a "den." There is a single bed in there, a large desk, a short file cabinet with a printer on it, and several different bookshelves with hundreds of books and several pictures. Also on the wall I have some pictures, ect. (ordination certificates, license to perform weddings from the Ohio Secretary of State, diploma for my Th.D. degree) hanging on the walls. I keep the door open unless my wife is vacuuming in the hall outside or some times when I am on the phone. My wife does not use either of my computers --she just doesn't want to. The idea of the open door is that she can come into the room at any time and immediately see what I have displayed on my computer screen.

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Um...the affair[s] that occurred were back in 2003, and he obviously had openly confessed to it/them. Perhaps this is why he feels strongly about boundaries?

The accessibility of porn and other people via the internet has definitely caused problems for a lot of marriages. There's no doubt about that. I just think it's more effective to address it on a case by case basis.

Why are you digging into this pastor's past to discredit him, TJJJ? If the affairs had just happened recently, you might have a point. Otherwise.... :coffee2

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Miss B

No doubt the man does feel strongly about boundaries, considering his past. I do think that is why he made the stand about facebook.

As far as me diggin, don't know what you are meaning, MB. I was reading a local news article, it made the news. I knew that there had been a thread on our FAVORITE forum, :thumbsup , regarding this individual and just wanted to put my 1 1/2 cents in.

As far as discrediting him, he has already done it. I wouldn't follow him on anything he does or says. He is a disgrace to the ministry.

The reproach of adultery, and especially this kind of wife swapping that he partook of, is not something that just goes away after 5 years or so.

This gives a greater insight as to why he took a stand against facebook. Is it possible that, instead of the other people's problem with adultery, he is really the one? Obviously, by his own admission!

What we have here is a man that cannot stand, forcing others to go along with him.

What say you?

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Please answer the questions, MB. Thank you.
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I could not follow a "pastor" who has had moral failures while in the ministry. Whatever happens before, well, whatev.

God forbid I'm ever a minister... if I was, and I fell to immorality, I'd step down and NEVER seek to be restored to a ministry position.

I'm just too old school in that regard.

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There is only one unforgiveable sin and it is not adultery. He has confessed and been restored to the satisfaction of his denomination and church.

I certainly don't feel a justification to condemn. Maybe he is more sensitive to a slippery slope. But its not my place to judge him forever unfit to pastor.

It is a one strike you're forever out mentality that has reeked havoc for so long in the mothership.

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What questions?

I'm old school, too. I still don't like to purposely dig up the pasts of others. If something is in the *present* it's a little different; if it's in the past, I'd rather leave it there, especially if someone has repented and tried to move on.

His congregation apparently made the choice to have him as a pastor, in spite of his past, so if they're okay with having him for a leader, I don't know why it should matter to me.

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The Pastor's indiscretions were 10 years ago. Many of us here were living lives of sin 10 years ago.

Now... if he discovered that his wife was "re-connecting" with the individual. That would definitely be a reason to address it in his own home.

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Pastor offers to resign.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101122/...facebook_edict

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And every now and then, Sam sounds too much like a Dirty Old Man :toofunny

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It's not "you're out" as much as consideration for eldership, which is a great distinction.

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I wonder how many elders in the first century church were originally Roman pagans who attended the pagan temple "activities" prior to conversion?

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Of course, maybe if he had kept his past indiscretions more private instead of dragging everyone into his personal business by banning Facebook among them, he'd still be serving. If his wife was contacting an old flame they had a liaison with ten years ago, I think he should have privately addressed the issue and not pulled the entire congregation into it.

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Prior to coming to faith in Christ... not sure how much that speaks for any of us. And though many of us will falter, as an elder, there are expectations much higher... a heavier cross to bear so to speak.

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Quite a lot, to be sure.

Paul himself murdered Christians before coming to the Lord, thus earning him the title of "Chiefest of Sinners".

However, I don't think he would have been qualified to be a pastor if he come to the Lord, planted some churches, then decided to murder some more Christians after which he repented and desired to minister again.

Anybody who engages in the kind of behavior that pastor admitted to is wholly unqualified to ever lead the flock of God. He can repent and be a sheep, but never again a shepherd.

I believe in grace and mercy as much as the next guy, but I'm continually shocked by the lengths people will go to worship at altar of toleration at the expense of Biblical precepts.

Sometimes wrong is just wrong. Disgrace is disgrace. Abomination is abomination.

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People have a hard time with the notion of a man that can tell people "if you use facebook, turn in your license" coming from someone that while he was a pastor had a threesome with a church officer.

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I agree....

But at the end of the day, there is no checklist manual in Scripture... there are guidelines. It's up to the wisdom of the other elders if this person meets those qualifications, using the guidelines and listening to the Holy Spirit.

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And those dumb enough to keep voting them in.

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Bravo Prax.

That was what I was trying to say but did not use the right words.

I absolutely believe in forgiveness for everyone who repents. But...

What we are dealing with here are the qualifications for a Bishop or Elder. Period. This man violated that and is now disqualified from being either. Can he be saved? Yes! Would I follow this man as a pastor? Absolutely no!

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Amen!:thumbsup

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exactly!!!

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There is no "checklist" per say to become a Christian. However, the qualifications for being a bishop are clearly defined. Threesomes, foursomes and more after coming into the church would most certainly disqualify one from the leadership of people.

Anyone who would follow such a man deserves all the foolishness he can dispense. His leaders, who allow this to happen, will ultimately be judged by God. I know I would not want that leader to be me.

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I agree with you, OTW, but if the congregation wants to keep him as pastor, isn't that up to them? I don't think they're going to go to hell or anything for having him as their pastor.

I do think the fact that it's in the past by several years makes this a slightly unfair discussion. If his congregation knew about it and kept him as pastor anyway, or maybe he was reinstated after a time (I don't know), that's their decision.

I would be interested to know whether or not the congregation was aware of his past *mistake*, or if they found out when the media dug it up.

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It is up to them of course, but the fact that he's offering to resign now that this comes out makes it appear (to me at least) that the congregation didn't know.

Whatever they do is their business, but my opinion on his actions is that banning facebook as an avenue to adultery is ignorant, and when it comes from a pastor who'd engaged in threesomes with their spouse and a church officer, it appears even more odd.

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IMO, there are mistakes and there are MISTAKES. Even scripture states, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."

Though I don't think these people will "go to hell" for keeping this man as their pastor, there seems to be a high probability that his gross lack of judgment will at some point lead them there.

If I were in that church, I wouldn't be.

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Great point.

Then there is the verse in Proverbs about adultery.

Pro 6:32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.
Pro 6:33 A wound and dishonour shall he get; and his reproach shall not be wiped away.

It seems that the Bible points out that adultery is something very difficult to get past the reproach of.

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It may be that two covenants are broken when there is adultery. Between two people that are suppose to be as one, and a covenant with God.

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It seems that this is the one point that will "hang" a preacher more that any other.

With the situation of this preacher, referenced on this thread, this is a situation that like Paul talks about. Even the "World" has some things they expect from the church.

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Wife swapping and threesomes, etc, are frowned upon even by the general population.

Talk about something that will hurt the ministry.

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Yes, unless they are polygamist it usually doesn't work out well.

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David functioned as king, priest, and prophet. Was he used in the roles of priest or prophet after his adultery with Bathsheba?

I'm not aware of any verse that states that an elder can't be restored after adultery or sexual sin. I do realize that to restore one it would have to take time and the congregation in question would have to desire his spiritual leadership. If there is a verse for the idea that they can never be restored to their calling, I'd give it review.

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I've known ministers who had given into temptation and committed terrible sin that were far more aware of various dangers than others who hadn't. One minister gave in and adultery wrecked his ministry and marriage. He's now very aware of the dangers and signs of the sin of adultery when it's overing over a family.

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But I bet small group gatherings can be VERY interesting!

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh

Bad thoughts begone!

Away with you!

Brian, you are taking after Sam!:ursofunny