Did Dan Alicea Write the Script for "Tangled"?
 

Okay, I have just walked out of the cinema after seeing Disney's newest animated movie "Tangled" and I have to say that if DA did not have a hand in this movie, somebody with an Apostolic background did. The parallels were amazing!

A young girl is held captive by a woman who kidnapped her, raising her as her mother simply because of the "magic power" of her long uncut hair. The mother tells her never to go out into the world that is full of evil. She preaches "mother knows best" and that she is only "protecting" her from the outside world. The mother was so vain about looks herself yet didn't care of depriving her daughter of any freedom simply for the sake of keeping her under her control. Repunzal (the girl) says that if her hair is ever cut that it loses its "magical power". She lays her hair over someone's wound and it heals. The girl at the end with her hair cut short weeps for her deceased boyfriend only to find that the real power within her was love. As a tear drops from her eye, it lands on the young man and he comes back to life.

Come on Dan, fess up! Did you write the screenplay?

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Wow. :blink

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Hmmm... I'd like to see it but generally wait for the DVD. Maybe this time I'll treat myself.

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A lot of people will probably rejoice that 'the message is getting out'. They'll point to it as evidence of 'the truth'.
"Even the world knows...."

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I thought that too, but the end disproves the thought.

The girl at the end with her hair cut short weeps for her deceased boyfriend only to find that the real power within her was love. As a tear drops from her eye, it lands on the young man and he comes back to life.

This will be seen as an attack against "the truth" by some.

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Wow ... I wished I had ... but I love their Rapunzhair promo!
:bliss


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCf0qOC7da0

Maybe it was God sending a message to Apostolica using today's Balaam's ass, Hollywood ... I mean .... donkey.

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Who Stole My Honda .... *Shockamoos*

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For those stuck in the IVORY TOWER ...

An interview with with the actress, Mandy Moore and the screenwriter, Dan Fogelman

http://video.about.com/movies/Mandy-Moore-Tangled.htm

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Exactly.

They'll say that 'even the world knows it's true', but the enemy is attacking it.

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The debbil is a lie!

More rationalization.

Sometimes God has the final word ...

What Mel Gibson did with the Passion of Christ ...

Maybe this will open some eyes?

You can't hold down truth!

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Of all the goofy things I've heard concerning pentecostal doings (for a huge lack of a better term)....this magic hair thing is the goofiest (is that a word?)

Anyone with even a tiny amount of biblical knowledge can see this is taking the glory from God and giving it to an object.

Side note: Hair couldn't possibly heal anything, it's the one thing that can't be sterilized.
Years ago I worked in an OR doing prep for the next day scheduled surgeries.
When a hair was found in a sterilized package of instruments it was set aside and re-done.

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To be fair ... like the re-write of the Brother's Grimm Rapunzel story, Tangled ... it is the obedience to the uncut commandment that allows miracles to happen when the hair is laid on the sick or used for the supernatural.

As David Bernard states that using hair is a legitimate form of liturgy and consecration, "focusing faith ... reminding God of one's covenant to obey in this area:


Once it was cut ... apparently the Tangled character thought she was "powerless" ... until she realized this was not the source of her power.

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They'll say the devil was behind that movie to get people to think there is no magic in uncut hair!

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Either way God isn't getting the glory, as far as I can see. And do they have any biblical examples/scriptures to quote?

Sounds like a good ending.

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1 Cor 11:10 is the main proof text used

But who needs scripture ????...


As David Bernard, General Supt. states ... using hair is a legitimate form of"spontaneous" liturgy and consecration, "focusing faith" ... reminding God of one's covenant to obey in this area:

Quote:
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Yes, it's fruity, drive-by theology.

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So, it's pretty much just made up theology.
If there aren't any examples in Scripture of a woman getting her prayers answered because of whatever she did with her hair with whatever attitude, then I'm not going to buy it.
Reminds me of the group of people who would bark and say it was a move of God...think it was the Toronto church.

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For more details ... visit www.holymagichair.com

The doctrine became popular in UPCI circles in the mid 90's

There are books written and sold by the UPCI that support this doctrine with "scripture"....

I believe this is part of an overall warped theology regarding faith .... I call it Zen Apostolicism.

Somehow if you push God enough ... FOCUSING FAITH AND CONCENTRATING ... you get the reward.

Examples:

Bernard on FOCUSING FAITH FOR THE HOLY GHOST ....

Bernard on FOCUSING FAITH THROUGH INANIMATE OBJECTS LIKE LAYING OF HAIR:

Quote:

It's about ZONING yourself and CONCENTRATING .... HARD ENOUGH ... You'll get what you want.

Zen Apostolicism. PUSH!!!!

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Stoneking's response to this is .... Jesus used mud in a miracle... was it Holy Magic Mud?
People were healed when Peter's shadow passed ... was it a Holy Magic Shadow?

People are healed on Prayer lines ... not in the bible ... but are they Holy Magic Prayer lines?

No.
:bigbaby

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The book SEDUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY by Dave Hunt gets into that sort of thing. Positive thinking to cause "miraculous". Sort of like "The Secret".

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This thing is prevalent in a lot of modern Pentecostal/Charismatic theology ....

But not just them ... I find it pervasive in Baptist circles and other groups too.

It's Amway and Tim Robbins meets Jesus.

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This is heartbreaking. So, if a woman's prayers aren't answered it's because of cut hair...don't they consider the person and how hurtful that can be?
What if you never cut your hair and your prayers don't get answered.

Bernard on FOCUSING FAITH FOR THE HOLY GHOST ....


Well, that's all lost on me...I recieved the HG with no teaching, never heard of the HG, never heard of speaking in tongues. The people I was with had to explain to me what had just happened.
How about they just "focus" on Jesus...and leave everything else up to Him?

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I love those testimonies! :thumbsup

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I couldn't agree more ... It is one of the worst effects of this doctrine ... how it can literally frustrate, wreak havoc and destroy the psyche of the believer.

This is what happened to the following poster ... ForeverBlessed ... in this article ....

God, Is My Obedience Not Enough?: When Holy Hair Fails
http://holymagichair.com/wordpress/?p=38

It was excerpted from a June 2003 forum thread (GoodNewsCafe) in which she shares her frustrations as a believer in trusting that “Holy Hair” could bring God’s favor and protection in her life and not getting the expected results. The post has since been edited by the author as per her request.

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If they are focusing, zoning, concentrating, meditating, are people receiving the Holy Ghost? Or an experience from the depths of their human mind?

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Very interesting.
This popped out at me: " Wow, you mean by keeping my hair uncut, I could have special power in prayer, and be a rear guard in protection for my family? "
So, when God says He is our rear guard He was j/k?

The whole thing sounds like a menace to faith.

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How hard is it to accept a gift? Hello?

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People ask for years.... :)

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We know God can't lie, and that His word is true. It is that simple.

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Why is it easy to believe in God, but hard to believe Him?

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Because of our Carnality. The demand to experience it before we believe it.

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Is there really a big difference? I'm not so sure the disparity is due to faithlessness so much as it is our tendency to attach our faith to things God has not explicitly stated to be his will. I think very often we create wish lists for our lives and assume God will grant them if we drum up the faith needed to make it come to pass.

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You may be right, but it seems that this is an area that people really struggle with. And I think some people are still searching after they have received it. It's like we accept the repentance and baptism part, but then don't accept the receiving part of the promise.

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I'm not sure, but faith involves both components:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

It's not enough to believe God exists; you must also believe IN Him, that He is responsive to humanity.

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But where people get confused is understanding that we should diligently seek Him and leave the rewarding up to Him. People go to God to try to determine their own rewards and are then frustrated when He doesn't respond. According to Hebrews, God responds [with rewards] to those who diligently seek Him.

Yes, there's a difference between believing that God exists and believing that He is responsive to humanity.

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Yes, my mother was a woman of great faith. I struggle with faith sometimes. One of my daughters is like my mother, they just believe.

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I just watched Tangled. Nothing is said about love being her power and not her hair, so even though I could see that as the case, some Apostolics wouldn't. Some would point out her rebellion, note the fact that she messed with her hair and even wove things in it as she left the tower, and say that she was granted one last wish because of the reason/way it was cut. Some might also be quick to point out how quickly her power left her and that she would never have the same power again after her rebellion.

I saw a different story in it, but I can't mention them without spoiling it for anyone that wants to watch. :winkgrin

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I have never heard LS make the statement: "if a woman's prayers aren't answered it's because of cut hair." can you give more information about this? :jaw

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Yeah, if only Apostolics knew what witches and the movie makers and the people who put the signs on rest room doors knew........

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I believe the storyline was that she received healing powers from a flower that was continuing to grow in her hair. It wasn't actually the hair.