Where do the lost spend eternity? Really!
 

Eternal torment/burning/torture/.... whatever you want to call it. Is that the ultimate fate (after judgement) of the lost?

Yep.

yes

This is why I choose to live my life to the fullest now... hell seems inevitable... (although the ceasing to exist theory that some people subscribe to sounds much more pleasant than an eternal sizzle). I believe it is impossible for anyone to make it to heaven based on what I was taught growing up... unless you are lucky enough to die within nano-seconds of speaking in tongues (so you don't have time to sin before you die).

This is why I find it easier to just accept that I am going to hell rather than spend my life in fear of going there.

This is some sort of sick joke, right?

God is much more merciful than we are, and that we think He is. Our goodness could never save us Bro. It's our trust in His saving grace that does the trick.

Actually no, the only way I can logically resolve the Apostolic stuff is by assuming that everyone is going to hell... years of hearing that even if you are saved and then have a sinful thought and God comes back before you repent lead me to this assumption...

I've posted multiple analogies to try to explain how I feel over the last few years on these forums... it is kinda like being at an amusement park where you can spend the entire day standing in line for the new ride which you might not be tall enough to ride, or you can actually go enjoy several of the other rides and miss out on the new one.

There seems to be a different kind of logic at work in the Apostolic's mind than in most people!

I have so much more peace of mind now than I did years ago, because of the way I'd been taught. I uesd to go to bed at night wondering if i'd make it if the rapture took place, and that's after we were in the ministry full time! Now I know and understand that I'm a child of God and that He loves me regardless. That doesn't mean that we don't live holy, because I think you have to strive to do the best that you can. But I don't live under condemnation.

That's kinda where I am at too... this is why I don't take any of the stuff I learned growing up seriously anymore, I'm not going to spend every moment of my life in fear, the way we were taught to... I just live my life, and try to be a good person (this is where Chancellor jumps in and says there is none good but God). :) But if I am wrong, and the Apostolic mentality is correct, then I believe and accept that I am going to hell and there isn't much I can do about it other than spend the rest of my life, 24x7 praying in a dark, empty room with no windows, which I'm not willing to do.

They go to the Lake O Fire. Whatever or however one wants to define what that is, that is where they go, for ever

I used to live in terrible fear. I know that's not God's will for our lives. I do still struggle with fear sometimes, but it is much less than at one time.

I voted lake of fire. The question was where do the LOST spend eternity.

Huh! Someone voted "not sure". Interesting. Sheltiedad, maybe? Epley?

(Wasn't me! I'm not voting.)

Should have made it a non-anonymous poll! DOH!

Too hard on yourself there, Timmy. ;)

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Well, I for one will not accept the fact that I will spend eternity in hell. I am loved and highly favored by God and I will spend eternity in his presence. I have no doubts on that point. I am eternally secure in Him as long as I do my part.

The lost who die lost will be shut out from ,God for all eternity they will be in a state of ruin or destruction.

Someone has to speak up for all of the millions and millions of people who have lived and died over the centuries without ever hearing the name of Jesus, or who were unfortunate enough to have been taught the wrong flavor of the Godhead or (insert fancy word for end-time theory here). :)

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Well the not sure might have been a person who believes in the destruction of the wicked.

This is about Timmy wants me to ssend his grandma to Hell then he can spout out all the judgmental unloving bigot I am. I was smarter than that when I was born. Sorry Tim I met folks smarter than you coming back from the headshrinker's office.:tease I will not fall into your trap.

He didn't say I was a judgmental, unloving bigot. Nor the others who voted that the lost go to hell.

I agree completely that the lost will spend eternity in the lake of fire.

I think the area where we will differ is in regards to who exactly is "lost" and what brought about that state of being. Personally, I am not convinced that we are lost because we don't dress Apostolic or because we have a TV in our home or any of those other things that used to bind me. Just as I would not have been saved by dressing Apostolic, refraining from TV, etc.

We are saved by the grace and mercy of God. Period. NOTHING that we do can earn our salvation.

Does that mean that we should consider ourselves saved while still living like the devil would like us to? No, even Paul told us that.

But I'm like Sherri. I'm thankful not to have to live in fear every day of whether I will live good enough to make it in. And because God has been so good to me and purchased my salvation, the least that I can give back to Him is my life. So I choose to live for Him daily. And I look forward expectantly to spending all eternity with Him in Heaven :)

ILG the lost here is his grandma I am not going to answer that.

Is this question the result of a private conversation or something? Something that we weren't privy to before this thread???

Aw, man. You're way too smart for me. Should have known you wouldn't answer this question!

Folks, there you have it. Epley will not answer this simple, basic question: What happens to the lost when they die? I mean, isn't this one of the basic tenets of Apostolic doctrine?

In truth, he already has answered it in another thread. He says it's up to God. Turns out He may actually give them a pardon. Don't believe me? See for yourself.

"Timmy he [Bishop Patterson] did die lost he did not obey the gospel that saves BUT it is up to God at the judgment what he does with them not me."

"Going to Hell will be determined at the White Throne being lost is determined NOW whether you obey the gospel or not. Will ALL the lost go to Hell stick around for the White Throne and find out. God will judge that not I."

"EVERYONE is lost who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 God can do with them what he wants at the judgment."

"The judgment will sort them out but I am afraid it will be too late. But He is God and the judge so it is up to HIm if he decides to show mercy He is God. I doubt it happens but He can if he wants."


He was trying to reconcile this statement:

"I have NOT said on this forum or in person that 'so and so' is going to Hell. Not me."

with this:

"Sad he died lost." (Speaking of Bishop Patterson in this thread.)

Did he succeed? Shall I start another poll? :heeheehee

Timmy posted this on ARE ALL TRINITARIANS ARE LOST page 120 post #1191

I'm sure you have, Elder. I'm sure you have. :nod

Thank you for clarifying this for us.

Well the answer is clear for those who want to see it. That is my FINAL answer.:highfive

Oh, it's clear, alright.

Hallelujah!!

Timmy has finally seen the Light!

Praise HIM Church!

Praiseeeeeeeeeee HIM!!!

I did not vote because of the limited absolute choices

What choice would you like? Give us a write-in!

The lost will be sent to the lake of fire. They will suffer there and then their soul will be destroyed just like their body.

28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28

The bottom line is that the wages of sin is death not immortality in Hell.

22: But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

By the way our works must be perfect to save our souls from Hell. Why do I believe so? Because Jesus said so!

1: And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2: Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev. 3:1-6

Why are they being reproved? Their works are not perfect. Verse2

What happens if they do not overcome?

Name blotted out of the book of life! Verse 5

Rev. 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire

so who is not written in the book of life?

Rev. 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerors, idolaters, and all liars shall have thier part in the lake which burns with fire and brimestone, which is the second death.

so if someone is one of these, (unless they repent, are baptized in Jesus name, and filled with the Holy Ghost,)than that,s where they go.

all scripture from NKJV.



ARPH

There you have it, straight from the Word....no hope for American Idol fans!

Believing that your going to hell isn't an "Apostolic" mentality... It is a mentality straight from the pits of hell that the devil would like to use to shake our faith in God. I for one am NOT going to hell! I will rely on God's abundant mercy and grace to cover my short comings and help me to repent of all sin. God is a loving and merciful God who doesn't want His people to live in fear. If we do our part He will do the rest!

Is it still the Pentecostal mentality that if you sin or have a bad thought and haven't repented for it that you will go to hell?

For example, say there was a Sunday night service and I was dancing and shouting and speaking in tongues... then I get out of church that night and on the way home I have a bad thought (maybe a cute girl is walking down the street and I admire her for just a moment)... if I am then in an accident and die without repenting for the "lustful" thought, I will go to hell right?

I'm sure most people would rather not say, but I have to take things to their logical conclusion and fill in the blanks... this is why things have never added up for me... except Grace - the version of Grace that I didn't learn makes it add up, but not my actual experience growing up in the UPC.