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Timmy 12-13-2010 06:36 PM

Could God change His mind?
 
Could God change His mind about something, if He wanted to?

Arphaxad 12-13-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000285)
Could God change His mind about something, if He wanted to?

yeah

:doggyrun

KeptByTheWord 12-13-2010 07:05 PM

Re: Could God change His mind?
 
Yes. Exodus 32:9-14
"And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people"

mizpeh 12-13-2010 11:39 PM

Re: Could God change His mind?
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000285)
Could God change His mind about something, if He wanted to?

Ask Jonah. :bargain

Timmy 12-14-2010 07:30 AM

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So, it's unanimous. Weird! :lol

Timmy 12-14-2010 08:59 AM

Re: Could God change His mind?
 
OK, so could God even today change His mind? About anything? Or would you say He can't change His mind about certain things?

onefaith2 12-14-2010 09:02 AM

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This is almost like Could Jesus have sinned type question. It would be really impossible for us to say God cannot change his mind, but then again God cannot lie either right? So to say would God change his mind would declare a different answer, depending on what God is supposedly changing his mind about.

Timmy 12-14-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2 (Post 1000553)
This is almost like Could Jesus have sinned type question. It would be really impossible for us to say God cannot change his mind, but then again God cannot lie either right? So to say would God change his mind would declare a different answer, depending on what God is supposedly changing his mind about.

Oh, I dunno, say, that eating shell fish is to be an abomination?

onefaith2 12-14-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000712)
Oh, I dunno, say, that eating shell fish is to be an abomination?

The NT shows a change of mind does it not?

ReformedDave 12-14-2010 12:46 PM

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How can someone who knows all 'change' his mind?

Timmy 12-14-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2 (Post 1000716)
The NT shows a change of mind does it not?

Does it? :D

Timmy 12-14-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 1000717)
How can someone who knows all 'change' his mind?

Aw, man, it was unanimous till you showed up! :toofunny

Timmy 12-14-2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000721)
Aw, man, it was unanimous till you showed up! :toofunny

(Unless you count onefaith2 as a "no" answerer. ;))

Michlow 12-14-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000722)
(Unless you count onefaith2 as a "no" answerer. ;))

Didn't he change his mind about destroying the Israelites after the whole Golden Calf incident, when Moses talked him out of it?

Timmy 12-14-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Michlow (Post 1000763)
Didn't he change his mind about destroying the Israelites after the whole Golden Calf incident, when Moses talked him out of it?

So it says! :lol

Arphaxad 12-14-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000712)
Oh, I dunno, say, that eating shell fish is to be an abomination?

Leviticus 11:10
But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.

They were an abomination to the Isrealites, in Acts 10 it appears God did away with that.

:doggyrun

KeptByTheWord 12-14-2010 07:22 PM

Re: Could God change His mind?
 
Some interesting scriptures to consider:


1 Samuel 15:29
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent.




Psalms 135:14
For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.


Jeremiah 26:13
Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

Interesting scriptures! One thought... It appears that repentance appears to be the key here to God changing his mind.

Consider Manassah and how wicked he was, but when he truly repented, God changed his mind about his punishment, and instead of judgment in his day, Manassah's children received his punishment.

KWSS1976 12-14-2010 08:46 PM

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Apparently he does change his mind..cause I have herd folks declare in Chuch God healed them of Cancer...and just a few months later they stop showing up and you find out..there Cancer came back and they are on there death bed...Now with him changing his mind like that I am npt going to declare anything just going to keep my mouth shut....

Aquila 12-15-2010 07:00 AM

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KWSS,

I think a lot of professed healings are sincere people who are just really, really, hoping that thinking they are healed will heal them. It's sad.

Aquila 12-15-2010 07:00 AM

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If God is all knowing, knowing the end from the beginning... does He know that He'll change His mind? lol

BroMatt 01-11-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2 (Post 1000716)
The NT shows a change of mind does it not?

I think if the oysters are smoked and eaten with crackers He wouldn't mind.:heeheehee

Socialite 01-11-2011 03:20 PM

Re: Could God change His mind?
 
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Originally Posted by onefaith2 (Post 1000716)
The NT shows a change of mind does it not?

Well not really. It's not a new idea, it's the same one fleshed out.

BeenThinkin 01-11-2011 03:28 PM

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What about Hezekiah? You're gonna die and not live God said. Then He added years to his life!

And don't you think He's probably changed His mind a few times concerning you, Timmy? :heeheehee

Socialite 01-11-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1012700)
What about Hezekiah? You're gonna die and not live God said. Then He added years to his life!

And don't you think He's probably changed His mind a few times concerning you, Timmy? :heeheehee

I think Timmy may be hearing the echos of:

"He's the same, yesterday, today and forever..." A poorly exegeted verse thrown out across pulpits regularly.

Socialite 01-11-2011 03:31 PM

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Then I think of fasting. How Esther and all the Jews fasted just before the King's decision.

Don't know why, but that troubles me as well. There seem to be tensions in the Bible. On the one hand, trust in, rely upon God. Be content in your circumstance. On the other hand, try to force God's hand by pious acts. Doesn't seem to be consistent.

MissBrattified 01-11-2011 03:33 PM

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Hmmmm...I don't know that it's as much about God changing His mind, as much as leaving room for humans to have input in the outcome.

Technically, all who have sinned are worthy of death, so does God "change His mind" every time He forgives a sinner and tosses out the death penalty?

I would lean toward an explanation where:

1. God always leaves room for human influence, or

2. When we perceive that He has changed His mind, it really was His plan all along, as a teaching exercise. Surely He knew that Ninevah was going to repent? He certainly was insistent that Jonah arrive and tell them they needed to; it seemed that Jonah was the one being taught the lesson; not Ninevah. God put a lot more pressure on Jonah to carry the message of doom than He did on Ninevah to repent.

Timmy 01-11-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1012700)
What about Hezekiah? You're gonna die and not live God said. Then He added years to his life!

And don't you think He's probably changed His mind a few times concerning you, Timmy? :heeheehee

Many times, I'm sure! :lol

Socialite 01-11-2011 03:53 PM

Re: Could God change His mind?
 
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1012708)
Hmmmm...I don't know that it's as much about God changing His mind, as much as leaving room for humans to have input in the outcome.

Technically, all who have sinned are worthy of death, so does God "change His mind" every time He forgives a sinner and tosses out the death penalty?

I would lean toward an explanation where:

1. God always leaves room for human influence, or

2. When we perceive that He has changed His mind, it really was His plan all along, as a teaching exercise. Surely He knew that Ninevah was going to repent? He certainly was insistent that Jonah arrive and tell them they needed to; it seemed that Jonah was the one being taught the lesson; not Ninevah. God put a lot more pressure on Jonah to carry the message of doom than He did on Ninevah to repent.

??

That's what that bloody cross thing was all about, wasn't it? He didn't change his mind, he took the justice (read: judgment) of all our sins upon Him.

Socialite 01-11-2011 03:54 PM

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I do agree with MB with the "it was his plan all along" idea. That's hard for hardcore free-willers. But I do believe God's involvement and control is more real than we realize. And that's a comfort.

MissBrattified 01-11-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1012724)
??

That's what that bloody cross thing was all about, wasn't it? He didn't change his mind, he took the justice (read: judgment) of all our sins upon Him.

Yes...but if you don't repent of your sins, you still get the death penalty. Right?

Socialite 01-11-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1012727)
Yes...but if you don't repent of your sins, you still get the death penalty. Right?

Correct, if you refuse his offering, there remains no other sacrifice for sins (Hebrews 10:13?). But then... he really didn't change his mind did he?

Praxeas 01-11-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1000551)
OK, so could God even today change His mind? About anything? Or would you say He can't change His mind about certain things?

God is a God of order. For example God is a God of justice, on the other hand HE is a God of Mercy. His justice sent Jonah to give a word of judgment. His mercy in response to their action, brought a stay of that judgment.

So his decisions are not random incoherent acts of a capricious god

Timmy 01-11-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1012781)
God is a God of order. For example God is a God of justice, on the other hand HE is a God of Mercy. His justice sent Jonah to give a word of judgment. His mercy in response to their action, brought a stay of that judgment.

So his decisions are not random incoherent acts of a capricious god

OK. But if they were, how could you tell? ;)

crakjak 01-11-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Michlow (Post 1000763)
Didn't he change his mind about destroying the Israelites after the whole Golden Calf incident, when Moses talked him out of it?

Yes.

crakjak 01-11-2011 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 1000717)
How can someone who knows all 'change' his mind?

Are we created in his image or not? Yes, God can and does change his mind, but I like Miss B's explanation, that rather He leaves room for human input and wants to be influenced by humans about the out come of many things.

He changed his mind about Israel when they rebelled, to destroy them, then He changed again when Moses intervened, and did not destroy them.

Timmy 01-12-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1012954)
Are we created in his image or not? Yes, God can and does change his mind, but I like Miss B's explanation, that rather He leaves room for human input and wants to be influenced by humans about the out come of many things.

He changed his mind about Israel when they rebelled, to destroy them, then He changed again when Moses intervened, and did not destroy them.

I suppose every answered prayer (except when the answer is "no" :lol) is a case of God changing His mind. :hmmm

BroMatt 01-12-2011 10:43 AM

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Difficult concept. God, who knows everything, sees everything, the end from the beginning, lives eternally, ...why just the "environment" God resides in is so far past our understanding, yet He does change His mind.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

seekerman 01-12-2011 12:28 PM

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If He changes His mind, that means that God doesn't always know the future.

Open Theism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_theism

BroMatt 01-12-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1013127)
If He changes His mind, that means that God doesn't always know the future.

Open Theism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_theism

Yea, I have heard the arguments of men before, why God can't do this or that and here is their reasoning, and I am not to much impressed with the reasoning of men.

They reasoned at Nice in 325AD, look what that got us.

If God says He repents, I take Him at His word, whether I understand how He does that, or not.

Socialite 01-12-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BroMatt (Post 1013157)
Yea, I have heard the arguments of men before, why God can't do this or that and here is their reasoning, and I am not to much impressed with the reasoning of men.

They reasoned at Nice in 325AD, look what that got us.

If God says He repents, I take Him at His word, whether I understand how He does that, or not.

Nicea gave us some pretty valuable contributions. Perhaps you've never read the Creed?

Reasoning of man? What exactly are you using to reason right now? The Holy Spirit?


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