Did 1st century christian women "stand out"?
 

Did first century christian women standout like what many preachers say todays pentecostal ladies should today?

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Sure did, their veils were a lot higher from putting their hair up under it.

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The mighty poof was even mightier in the days of yore.

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don't know if the Christian ladies were outstanding
but
I did hear of a first century scarecrow who was out standing in his field.
:jolly

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Here is why I ask. The thought struck me when hearing this that early churches were "underground" much like they were in Russia and are in China. It would not be in their best interest to stand out so that everyone knew who the Christians were. In fact they had that secret fish sign in later centuries to identify Christians.

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:toofunny

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It seems like Apostle Paul's caution to them was to NOT stand out. To be modest, to not draw attention to themselves.

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The question begs to be asked - why the WOMEN and not men too?????

Why is it that the women are always the target, and men escape any need to "stand out"?

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It isn't because the preachers are wanting women to stand out and men to not stand out.

(Bracing for the grief I'll receive for this one)

It's that women of the world are dressing in such a manner that modesty stands out on it's own.

A man dressing modestly doesn't stand out in this world. If the majority of men began wearing skirts. dresses or otherwise clothed themselves in a manner that showed off their bodies... then we would.

A modestly dressed woman, in this day and age, tends to stand out.

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Right. And the bible never said we are known by the way we dress, anyway, but by our love for one another. How people gravitate to this "they will know us by the way we dress" idea never ceases to amaze me in light of Jesus' plain statement that our love is for that purpose.

My 14 year old daughter was asked by some standard-keeping friends what it was that makes our church different from their's, since we are both one God and Acts 2:38. She responded in an amazingly wise manner: "We believe our love for one another tells the world who we are, not the way we dress."

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Good point, some things are gender specific.

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I believe it sincerely goes back to Eve. The temptress, the seductress. Because men are the weaker sex, so that they succumb to the wiles of women.

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I still believe dress is important, but not extreme as some have made it. Actually, clothes is the easy part, now love your enemies is getting somewhere.

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I believe in large part because what is considered normative in our society has changed radically for women, but not for men, within a single generation or so.

Some just cannot accept the fact that women's pants are now sold in the women's section of the store and mainstream society now considers that women's apparel

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I am assuming Mike Blume does not think people dressing a holiness standard are not capable of standing out by loving one another?

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No, they would have been detained and possibly killed like most other Christians during Christianities infancy.

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When I was growing up some women started wearing what were called "pedal pushers." I thought that was the neatest sounding thing.

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Awesome!! What a profound response :santathumb

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What do you weaker sex?

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I don't agree with that.

Both genders have their weaknesses and, generally speaking, the other gender holds the cards concerning that weakness. Nothing Eve did had to do with seduction or temptation. What Eve did had to do with being able to be swayed by persuasive argument and failing to see the law as absolute. This is a case of "following ones heart" which is a tendency more prevalent for the female of the species.

Both male & female bring their own brand of strengths to humanity and both have their own set of areas where they are more easily led astray. The strengths of one support the weakness of the other and, together, we are a stronger species.

When one gender views the other gender with disdain or views them as "weak" as a gender then the respect between genders necessary for us to learn from one another is not present and we all lose.

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I think there is a tendency for nonstandards folks to think standards folks don't have love or least use love arguement used as if standard have a monopoly on no love.

I do think Bro Blume is emphasizing that love is central theme of our lives with everything else branching off of if.

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I don't agree with it either, D4T. But I really think that is how it started, not that it is necessarily true.

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First... how can one forward a hypothesis that they don't agree with.

Second... it can't be true in the least. Like I said... nothing Eve did had to do with seduction or temptation. Adam didn't even know she was naked until he ate of the apple.

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That's like the statement, "Saying that the possession of one-God doctrine does not mean we are saved implies that those who believe in one God are not saved." LOL. I never meant nor said that at all. I just was stemming my statement from the declarations of standard keepers that they dress the way they do in order to let the world know who they are, when such a declaration is unscriptural and opposes what the bible actually says about what is meant to tell them who we are.

Steeping on toes usually has the stepped-on folks distorting what was said. :lol

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You don't think a preacher ever used that as an example? Not just about Eve, but that women are like that, and that is why they had to dress a certain way.

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I think she meant that the MISTAKEN reasoning some people propose standards for women more than men is due to this MISTAKEN notion of Adam and Eve, implying the notion is wrong.

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Ahhhh... Now I see.

Thanks for the help with that.

Okay Cindy. I understand now. Please disregard my previous post. :)

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Yes ma'am. They certainly have. I misunderstood what you were saying. Brother Blume helped me out.


Good point.

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:santathumb

Out of the mouth of babes...your daughter is wise beyond her years.

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Love it!!!!

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because men make the rules


:santathumb

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I think Jesus said something like what your daughter said in John 13:34-35

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A very astute comment by your daughter. You should be proud.

From my research, God never asked people to stand out just for the purposes of standing out. Separation is something he required so people would not get ethnically (Old Testament) and spiritually confused, and was mandated for those reasons. The OT Hebrews probably looked identical to their heathen counterparts. Also, the fact that the bible pays scant attention to the topic of clothing at all seems to point to the fact that it is a minor, not a major issue. It's hard for anybody to prove with any conclusiveness what, exactly both OT and NT saints wore.

God required men to be physically altered by circumcision, but that could not really be construed as something God desired to "stand out" in a crowd. It was a personal, sacred sign of devotion to God.

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On The Wheel.... I don't know about your choice of words here...lol:jolly

BT

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No, they blended with the culture in general, not the dress of harlots nor the dress of the modern day radical Muslims.

Radical Muslims are some of the worlds most sexually perverted men, so much for covering women up.

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No pun intended.




NOT!:jolly

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You are so bad!!! LOL "...not in a crowd..."

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Pastor Keith quote from a few years ago

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Sorry. It just seemed so easy.

It's just that some will point to the rite of circumcision to "prove" that God wants us to visibly stand out visually for no real reason other than he wants us to appear different for its own sake. I just though I would point out the obvious. Circumcision was not to be viewed by the general public, and certainly not the heathen. Any men flaunting or otherwise exposing their sign of separation would be in violation of some other laws.

Your "bro's" might know, and your wife and mom but that's the extent of it.

Women, as far as I can tell, were give required to show no visible sign of separation that was not tied to things that actually had theological or practical significance and/or relevance.

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Some of the hard nose, overbearing preachers that are always putting the women down should have to show their circumcision in a crowd! That might given them pause and cause them to stop being so critical of the women.

Just thinkin
BT