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Sam 12-21-2010 09:54 PM

Billy Graham Interview
 
Billy Graham interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TwUz...ayer_embedded#!

Sam 12-21-2010 10:03 PM

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I sure have changed my opinion on Billy Graham over the years.

Many years ago when I was teaching a class of teenagers in an Apostolic Church I jumped all over one young man for watching Billy Graham. I called Billy Graham a "false prophet" based on Deuteronomy 13:1-5. I told the class that Billy Graham was trying to get people to believe in and serve false gods --the trinity-- instead of Jesus Christ the true God.

I also used the "inoculation" example saying that people go to a Billy Graham crusade, go to the front and receive an inoculation which keeps them from getting Biblical salvation. The thought being that an inoculation introduces a small dose of something into the system to build up an immunity to keep from getting the real thing.

I no longer believe that way. Because of my belief in justification by faith, I consider Billy Graham to be justified/saved/born again.

houston 12-21-2010 10:10 PM

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go to youtube and find the convo between schuller and bg, where they proclaim that there is salvation outside of Jesus

mfblume 12-21-2010 10:28 PM

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Yes, Graham did say he believed people could be saved apart from Jesus and Schuller was pleasantly surprised.

houston 12-21-2010 10:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1003360)
Yes, Graham did say he believed people could be saved apart from Jesus and Schuller was pleasantly surprised.

Emphasis on pleasantly. What ya think, they used Jesus for fame and money?

mfblume 12-21-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1003370)
Emphasis on pleasantly. What ya think, they used Jesus for fame and money?

I heard both the Pope and Billy Graham had to publicly announce that the Jews, for example, did not need Jesus for salvation, but that the Old Testament would be reconvened for them, so these two could hold meetings in Jerusalem.

houston 12-21-2010 10:52 PM

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John Hagee believes that also? ...he and some apo's.

mfblume 12-21-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1003373)
John Hagee believes that also? ...he and some apo's.

Any teaching that says ANYONE has a chance AFTER the church is gone, and apart from Jesus, from this world ought to be thrown as far from us as we can throw it, TO SAY THE LEAST! :(

houston 12-21-2010 11:06 PM

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No, Mike. Preterism is heresy. Post trib borders on heresy. Cut hair, makeup, and pants on women is the mark of the beast. Jews don't need Jesus, that's sound doctrine...THEY are God's CHOSEN people... us, we're red headed step children.

mfblume 12-21-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1003380)
No, Mike. Preterism is heresy. Post trib borders on heresy. Cut hair, makeup, and pants on women is the mark of the beast. Jews don't need Jesus, that's sound doctrine...THEY are God's CHOSEN people... us, we're red headed step children.

lolololololol YES! Amen!!!

:lol

houston 12-21-2010 11:12 PM

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Was some good stuff. I shoulda took an offering.

crakjak 12-21-2010 11:24 PM

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I believe Billy's statements are being taken out of context ,in this thread, he doesn't believe that there is salvation in any other name. Just that some may have believed in the true God and followed to the best of their understanding, simply that they didn't know His name.

I believe he believes as I believe, the folks will be saved after death, "because of what Jesus has done", so the fact is no one will be saved without Jesus.

sandie 12-22-2010 08:05 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnx...F8A4F2&index=7

mfblume 12-22-2010 10:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1003383)
I believe Billy's statements are being taken out of context ,in this thread, he doesn't believe that there is salvation in any other name. Just that some may have believed in the true God and followed to the best of their understanding, simply that they didn't know His name.

I believe he believes as I believe, the folks will be saved after death, "because of what Jesus has done", so the fact is no one will be saved without Jesus.

CJ, you know that Graham was not a UR advocate.

Shawn 12-22-2010 10:36 AM

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When he was younger......no he obviously wasn't a UR advocate. As the the years go by, seems he has changed his stance a bit. There are many Christian universalists scattered in denominations all through christianity. And people that hope. But still Christian Universallists believe it's only posible through Christ. in all due time.

mfblume 12-22-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawn (Post 1003547)
When he was younger......no he obviously wasn't a UR advocate. As the the years go by, seems he has changed his stance a bit. There are many Christian universalists scattered in denominations all through christianity. And people that hope. But still Christian Universallists believe it's only posible through Christ. in all due time.

Assume assume assume. I've seen UR people claim UR advocates out of far too many people who simply were not at all in reaching attempts to make UR more respectful in ears of others.

Shawn 12-22-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1003554)
Assume assume assume. I've seen UR people claim UR advocates out of far too many people who simply were not at all in reaching attempts to make UR more respectful in ears of others.

Calm down Mike.
I'm not assuming BG is a universalist. Just that his stance/message has changed over the years. Anyone who watched the video could see that. I'm neither 'reaching' or 'attempting'.

mfblume 12-22-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawn (Post 1003569)
Calm down Mike.
I'm not assuming BG is a universalist. Just that his stance/message has changed over the years. Anyone who watched the video could see that. I'm neither 'reaching' or 'attempting'.

I am not excited about this issue, so I need no calming down, and you simply stated Graham believes like you do : "no he obviously wasn't a UR advocate. As the the years go by, seems he has changed his stance a bit." What would he have changed except UR if you made UR the subject?

Whatever. :D

Shawn 12-22-2010 11:58 AM

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if you compare what he said in the video in this thread and compared it to his message at his crusades through his career we'd have to agree he 'has changes his stance'. I didn't say BG was a universalist.

Aquila 12-22-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1003360)
Yes, Graham did say he believed people could be saved apart from Jesus and Schuller was pleasantly surprised.

If Billy Graham believes that one can be saved outside of the Christian faith... does he still believe that it is Jesus Christ who holds the power to save those who never heard, or whose faith was insufficient?

I ask this because if so, Graham's postion isn't that people can be saved apart from Jesus. Graham's belief would be more akin to Christian Universalism, a belief which extends Christ's saving power beyond the grave.

mfblume 12-22-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1003621)
If Billy Graham believes that one can be saved outside of the Christian faith... does he still believe that it is Jesus Christ who holds the power to save those who never heard, or whose faith was insufficient?

Who knows?

Aquila 12-22-2010 12:10 PM

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I've seen several very strict elders of the Christian faith who used to preach Acts 2:38 or burn soften in their old age to allow for UR's possibility.

Many near death experiences also present such possibility.

I wonder what's going on in Graham's head? He might be softening to some concepts in his old age.

crakjak 01-13-2011 08:48 AM

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Many come to the maturity that God simply will accomplish why He created a world of humans in His likeness. Billy Graham seems to have moved closer to that understanding. God is the savior of the whole world and the whole creation will be redeemed.

God is the refining fire that will remove all dross from His creation, He is a God that is successful in all that He has said He would do. No freewill of man, nor the evil work of satan will thwart His purpose.

He will remove ALL the dross from each of us NOW if we will daily keep our hearts turned to HIM, He hears every prayer, even the soft spoken ones, but his purpose is that the circumstances of life are a battering ram to pound us into the shape of HIS likeness. That we hear HIS voice to know where HE is working around us, so that we may join HIM in what HE is doing.

OneAccord 01-13-2011 03:58 PM

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Billy Graha, is, first and formost a minister. He is, in fact a minister of the Baptist faith. In addition to that, Mr. Graham is, or maybe I should say, has been, a world religious leader. As such, he is diplomatic when it comes to sharing his faith with people of other faiths, whether they are Pentecostal, Catholic or Jewish. I don't think he believes there is salvation outside of Jesus nor do I think he believes in UR. I think he uses tact and diplomacy in dealing with people, which makes it seem necessary for him to "soften" his message somewhat. He was called a compromiser and a communist sympathizer when he returned from preaching in the USSR in the 70s because he didn't speak more harshly against USSR policies. His tact and diplomacy seems to have opened the door for people in Russia to have greater religious freedoms.

crakjak 01-13-2011 11:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1013832)
Billy Graha, is, first and formost a minister. He is, in fact a minister of the Baptist faith. In addition to that, Mr. Graham is, or maybe I should say, has been, a world religious leader. As such, he is diplomatic when it comes to sharing his faith with people of other faiths, whether they are Pentecostal, Catholic or Jewish. I don't think he believes there is salvation outside of Jesus nor do I think he believes in UR. I think he uses tact and diplomacy in dealing with people, which makes it seem necessary for him to "soften" his message somewhat. He was called a compromiser and a communist sympathizer when he returned from preaching in the USSR in the 70s because he didn't speak more harshly against USSR policies. His tact and diplomacy seems to have opened the door for people in Russia to have greater religious freedoms.

I believe your assessment is probably fairly accurate.


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