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A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.”

She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.”

“I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”

“Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”

The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Democrat.”

“I am,” replied the balloonist. “How did you know?”

“Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You’ve risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met but, somehow, now it’s my fault.”

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I have to admit...that's a good one. :)

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:heeheehee

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I love your little story, but there is not much truth, the story should have been with the man in the boat with a bow and arrow, always shooting at the balloon trying to destroy the democrat, because generally the republicans in office don't care for people that are in need. The one in the hot air balloon should have never asked a republican for directions, because everything that seems to come out of their mouth is a lie, now I am talking about the elected officials, not the ones that voted for them, they did not know any better, because they only listen to a drug addict like Rush or Fox news. The man in the boat, should realize that it is their fault for getting our country in the mess it is in. For 8 long years Bush destroyed America in every way, and somehow the republicans think that our President is a miracle worker and he can straighten it out in less than two years.

There is one more idea here, we are not in the same position as we were in two years ago, we are coming up out of the mess, even if it has been a fight. Just wait until the T-pot gets started up in January, then it will be interesting to see the three way fight.....very interesting.

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SS - I love the way that you paint everyone with a very broad brush. Let me ask how you justify the Democrats stand on abortion and gay marriage?
Both parties care more about power and politics than anything.
Each one is about equally corrupt.
However, at least one gives lip service to morality issues.

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President Obama stated that he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, which I agree also. I do believe that everyone should be treated equally, no matter of skin color or religion or sexual preference by the laws of our country.

I like most other democrats that I know, believes that an abortion should be only in certain circumstances, such as rape, death to the mother, etc. Most husbands would not want their wife to die, even if it meant losing the baby. It should be their choice either way. It was not meant by the democrats or republicans that made abortions legal to use it as a method of birth control, but like all the other benefits there are some that abuse all the laws. I remember when abortions were not legal, that did not stop a woman if she wanted an abortion, there was some back alley doctor that would do it. Even, in those days there were babies thrown out of dorm windows at colleges or put in trash cans. It is sad, the laws are made for the good, and then it is a loop hole for the evil.

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Just so you know, it has never, not ever been illegal to abort in this country when the life of the mother was in question. That's a red herring to the argument of abortion rights.

There isn't one single thing good about abortion laws. When they were first inacted it was first trimester only....it didn't take long to progress to when they are viable. This president thinks they should be allowed to die even after being accidently born alive.

You'll have to do alot better to defend the aborhent practice of abortion on demand.

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I do not have to defend any of the laws of America. The law is the law.... I am saying that if my daughter was raped and if she happen to get pregnant, I would want her to be able to have an abortion "if she wanted to" in a sterile environment instead of a back alley.

Where do you get that information that "This president thinks they should be allowed to die even after being accidently born alive."? Did you read that on the Barack Obama's website or the White House website?

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SS - in your opinion, when does a fetus become a living soul?
Or, when does the transfer between non-person and person happen?

Let me also say that I am not trying to come across as argumentative with you.
I am glad you are here.
I look at everyone here as having something that I can learn and hopefully they have something they can teach me.
So, if I should happen to come across the wrong way please forgive me.
Also, they PM function works well if you need to vent on me without the whole forum seeing it!

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I am sorry if you thought that I was vent on you, whatever that means, I do not know. I was just answering your remarks to me. Adam became a living soul when God breathe into his nostrils. It is not my place to determine life, that is God's, and having an abortion is not my decision either, it is up to the one with that circumstance. All that I am saying, if a woman wants an abortion, she will get it, whether legal or not, whether in a sterile place or a back alley. The laws are made so we can have a choice. I had rather see a baby aborted from the womb, instead of a full term baby that has been thrown out of a dorm window, and without the law, we may see it happen again.

The laws were meant to help women that had circumstances that might need, in their view, to have an abortion. I agree that if it were my choice, it would be a hard choice to make. To have the laws for the ones that need it, we have to live with the ones that abuse it.

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This is not to be rude, but I don't think you're informed enough on what abortion does and the outcome of having it legal since 1973.

It would take pages to update you on current information.
But, just so you know...babies may not be thrown from windows, but they are found in trash cans.

You might want to research a Dr. Bernard Nathanson. He was one of the founders of NARAL. You might be surprised to learn the truth behind what prompted this abhorent law.

Nobody "needs" an abortion. As I've already explained as for the life of the mother, it has never been illegal.
So, that leaves the rest of the abortions for convinence sake.
Less than 1% of abortions are performed due to rape and incest. The body has a marvelous self defense mechanism, a women rarly ovulates during times of great stress.
And only in abortion due to rape does the innocent by stander get executed.

If you really want to know what God says about life in the womb, read Psalm 139. Check into the scripture where God says, BEFORE you were formed in your mother's womb, He knew you.

I hope you do some further research into this issue.

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I don't mean to be rude either, but I have you to know,... I know, I graduated in 1968 and I am well informed as to how the abortion law came in, and was passed. Today it is very seldom you hear about babies in trash cans, but then it was almost in the news daily. You say, "nobody needs an abortion today", do you know every single woman and their needs. I don't think so. There are problems medically that you know nothing about. You don't know how every woman's body acts under stress or how they handle stress, some young women has taken their own lives because they got pregnant and didn't want their parents or friends to find out, and couldn't handle the guilt and shame.

By the way, I did not go to college, at that time, I listen to the news, I thought all that went to college was to get away from their parents to do ungodly acts, because that throwing babies out of dorm windows was what college was about back then.

Remember when this law was passed by our government then, it was a majority vote. I believe all discussions possible were before the vote, either for it or against it....and it was made law.

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What law are you speaking of? What vote?

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Like I said, I hope you do some further research.
And I hope you re-read what I posted.

I hope you do some research on what the effects are of abortion. Are you aware of the breast cancer link? Or are you aware of the post traumatic syndrome women experience? Are you aware that the abortion industry is the least regulated industry in America?

I truly am not trying to be rude, but you're ill-informed on this subject.

And please do answer Baron's question.

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The history of abortion in the United States is far more complicated than most people imagine. It has been an issue of varying contention in this nation for the last 200 years. Nevertheless, abortion has never enjoyed such universal protection under the law as it has for these last three decades. As it stands today, American women have the legal right to obtain an abortion in all 50 states. This has been true since January of 1973 when the Supreme Court declared that autonomous abortion rights are built into the Constitution, and that any legal barriers which prevent mothers from aborting their children are unconstitutional. This ruling was arrived at on the premise that the 9th and 14th Amendments, according to legal precedent established during the 1960's, guarantees a woman's "right to privacy", a right that extends even to abortion.

The opportunity to make such a sweeping declaration came via two cases which both presented constitutional challenges to state criminal abortion laws. One case came from Texas and the other from Georgia. The Texas case, Roe v. Wade involved a pregnant, single woman, "Roe", who was suing the Dallas County district attorney, Henry Wade, to prevent him from enforcing Texas' abortion prohibition. Since her life was not threatened by her pregnancy, she had no legal basis for aborting in Texas (prohibitive abortion laws had existed in Texas with very little change since 1854, but had always included an exception to save the life of the mother). The Georgia case, Doe v. Bolton, involved a married woman who was also denied an abortion for not meeting the necessary state requirements (Georgia law allowed for abortion if the life or health of the mother was threatened, if the baby was seriously deformed, or if the pregnancy was a result of rape). A three-judge District Court ruled that Roe did have basis to sue, and declared Texas abortion law void for being "vague" and "overbroad". The District Court ruling in the Doe case was split. It ruled that there were some unnecessary bureaucratic burdens that might hinder someone from receiving a due abortion, but they still held that the State had a right to restrict abortion according to the princliples already in place. Both decisions were appealed, both decisions ended up before the Supreme Court, and both verdicts were handed down on the same day, January 22, 1973.

When I think about abortions, and doing away with lives of children, I think about how it was at the birth of Moses and Jesus, the children of two years and under. It is sad, but that was the way it was to be then, and now. The laws are not made by Christians and for Christians. I will never have to make that decision, and I thank God.

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Where is the source for your info? Is this you speaking or did you copy and paste someone else's opinions/stats?
And how does this answer Baron's questions?

When I think of abortions, I think of the whole sale slaughter of the multiple millions of children, helpless, defensless, and made in the image of Almighty God. And of the accounting that will be had one day.

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Is that a good thing? I personally find it to be terribly offensive, condescending, manipulative, and incredibly demeaning to the sanctity of human life.

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Obama will pay mortgage and gas.
Gas has doubled in cost and he pays neither.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI




It is true. With an all dem Congress and a Dem in the whitehouse, they do not care about the needy. Foreclosures are way up and unemployment skyrocketed because we discovered the Dems do not care. They must hate the needy.

How about it Obama ? Send your brother in Kenya 20 bucks.

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Destroyed America in every way.
At one point Bush had 52 consecutive months of employment growth.

You call that destruction. Remember you said in "every way"

Obama has been a jobs destroyer. Except for the lousy census. It was artificial and temporary job growth.

Obama has seen more job growth in foreign countries for American companies than here? Why is that?

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Consider the context.

My stance is that abortion is wrong, homosexuality is wrong and if none would work, neither should he eat.

One party says that I am correct.

One party says that I am incorrect.

You consider this offensive, condescending, manipulative and demeaning?

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SS- so if someone wants to kill someone, they will find a way to do it.
Therefore we should legalize it and provide centers where it can be done with the least harm to all involved.
That is what you are saying.
And we still see child abuse with abortion being available on demand, so toss that argument out the window.
Also, the Bible says that God knew us when we were in the womb and that John leaped in Elizabeth's womb.
So, a child in the womb has a soul.

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There is no question. Pro abortion people call it a fetus. Fetus means offspring. In does not come from a definition of only unborn offspring. Of course the unborn are human babies.

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This should not be a discussion about stances and theoretical positioning. This is no hypothetical situation. Saying that abortion is murder and making it a major discussion point during election cycle...then not passionately doing everything in your power to stop it is all of those things.

I've asked it before and I'll ask it again.
Person A says that they sincerely do not believe abortion is murder legally or morally and they will therefore not do everything in their power to stop it.
Person B says that abortion is murder...but they do not do everything in their power to stop it.
Which person is more reprehensible? Meanwhile millions of babies are killed either way.

I do not wish to climb into this whole rabbit hole again...That one line just got my attention.

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What do you consider "everything in their power"? Or is that part of the rabbit hole you don't want to visit?

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You are right, lets move to some actual facts.
The Bush administration cut-off federal dollars availability for abortion.
The Bush administration stuck with don't ask, don't tell.
The Obama administration, almost as soon as they took office, opened up the federal pocketbook for abortions, both here and overseas.
The Obama administration has now led the repeal of DADT.

How can you defend/explain that?

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I don't see how you think I wish to defend or explain any of that. My problem is that I am too pro-life to be satisfied and manipulated by a token/lip-service stance by polititicians every election cycle... but once again, this is a horse too dead for me to beat on today.

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First it was a rabbit, now it's a horse.

Any chance you might explain what you meant by doing everything within their power?

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Okay, I'll play for a few minutes.
For one, pro-life Republican supporters passionately lament about Roe v. Wade. Look at how many of the Supreme Court justices since Roe V Wade have been appointed by Republican Presidents who were largely elected based on their constituents feelings about abortion in particular. Look at what the ratio of Rep appointed vs Dem Justices was during the Bush years for example.

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I doubt if Roe v. Wade will be reversed.

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I believe Souter was a great disappointment to George H., but he did appoint Clarence Thomas in spite of the ugly battle that ensued.

Look what happend to Bork when Reagan tried to get him appointed.

And further, look what happened to the numerous pro-life judges George W. tried to get appointed to the federal bench.

It isn't all that easy to get past the politics of abortion within the senate. Those dems are fiercely protective of abortion rights and some RINOS as well.

So, what exactly is the ratio you're talking about?

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How about neither one? I'm independent and look at both sides with a fiscal stance. We, as a country, cannot bailout this and bailout that (citizens and corporate America alike). How can one expect America to survive on increased debt? A business sure can't survive without necessary monies and resources. So, as far as I'm concerned, the jack arses on the left and the fat arses on the right can come right down the middle and kiss my arse 'cause neither side has proven yet that they can pull us out of the mess we've been in, 8 years ago, before then, or even now.

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It will take the correct ratio of justices who feel that it's bad law to begin with.
And if that happens, it'll go back to the states where it belonged in the first place.

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Roe vs wade was not exactly law. It was ruling on existing law.

Norma Mccorvey or what ever her real name was, lied in court,. She didn't abort.

She returned to Dallas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped, as she would then be eligible to obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas's anti-abortion laws allowed abortion in the cases of rape and incest). Due to lack of police evidence or documentation, the scheme was not successful and McCorvey would later admit the situation was a fabrication

In her first book, the 1994 autobiography, I Am Roe, McCorvey wrote of her sexuality. For many years, she had lived quietly in Dallas with her long-time partner, Connie Gonzales. "We're not like other lesbians, going to bars," she explained in a New York Times interview. "We're lesbians together. We're homers."[1] That same year, she converted to Christianity and expressed remorse for her part in the Supreme Court decision. McCorvey has worked as part of the pro-life movement, such as Operation Rescue.

At a signing of I Am Roe, McCorvey was befriended by evangelical minister Flip Benham.[10] She was baptized on August 8, 1995, by Benham in a Dallas, Texas, backyard swimming pool, an event that was filmed for national television. Two days later she announced that she had become an advocate of Operation Rescue's campaign to make abortion illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_McCorvey

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Before Obama took office, ten justices had been appointed to the Supreme Court since Roe v Wade. Eight of the ten were appointed by Republicans. At the time that Obama took office, seven of the nine sitting justices were Republican appointed. That's a pretty overwhelming ratio in my book.

Either way, those who have been here for a while know my stance on partisan politics and how politicians use it play both ends against the middle.
That is the rabbit hole and dead horse I wish to avoid.

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It took lies to get this past the American public.
Dr. Bernard Nathanson was one of the founders of NARAL.

http://www.aboutabortions.com/Confess.html

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So, you have no time for either party when it comes to abortion, is that what you're saying?

Is there any room in your judgement concerning the justices for those appointed by repubs to have been mis-taken and disappointed on their appointments?
How many of those appointed by repubs were there pre-RvW? I really don't know.

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ts - I do sometimes wonder if Sis. Alvear's stance on politics is the correct one that we as Christian's should have.
Politics is very devisive, even within the Christian community.
And particularly between the different races within the Christian community.
I grew up as a very political person, loved politics and was very active in it.
I started out as a liberal Democrat and now have moved to the other side of the circle.
So, individuals who do not have a well thought out line of reasoning, no matter which side, do still aggravate me more than they should.