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Socialite 01-05-2011 02:45 PM

The New Deterrent?
 
Is this the new deterrent to keep people from questioning and studying and making sure what they are living is actually biblical?

"Eve studied the fruit before she desired it. Focus on something long enough and you'll feel like you can't live without it. Ignore sin...focus on righteousness." (Rob McKee)

Or is this just a simple exhortation to tell people to check their hearts? And did Eve actually "study" the fruit? These and more questions, on the next...

DAII 01-05-2011 03:03 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
The doctrine of focusing is not new ... DKB teaches it ...

For example, he believes laying hair is a legitimate form of focusing faith.

Zen Apostolicism.

Cindy 01-05-2011 03:12 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1009348)
Is this the new deterrent to keep people from questioning and studying and making sure what they are living is actually biblical?

"Eve studied the fruit before she desired it. Focus on something long enough and you'll feel like you can't live without it. Ignore sin...focus on righteousness." (Rob McKee)

Or is this just a simple exhortation to tell people to check their hearts? And did Eve actually "study" the fruit? These and more questions, on the next...

Where did he get that Eve studied the fruit?

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 3:6 KJV

Baron1710 01-05-2011 03:13 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1009357)
The doctrine of focusing is not new ... DKB teaches it ...

For example, he believes laying hair is a legitimate form of focusing faith.

Zen Aposotolicism.

I like it.

DAII 01-05-2011 03:16 PM

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If you focus on righteousness you will be holy ... yes sir ....

Zone in ... push .... let the force guide you ...

More works based teaching from the works based paradigm ... it permeates in so much of their theology and practical living.

How about surrendering? Relying? Trusting ... let go and let God.

Timmy 01-05-2011 03:18 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
You've heard of "beer goggles"? Wonder if it works for doctrines, too.

Socialite 01-05-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1009363)
You've heard of "beer goggles"? Wonder if it works for doctrines, too.

I've definitely heard that one preached before. Of course the text was "Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit." The title "God's drunkards."

Drunk people love everyone, show no inhibition or fear, give liberally, etc... Then at one point, the preacher referred to "spiritual beer goggles." No kidding.

Timmy 01-05-2011 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1009371)
I've definitely heard that one preached before. Of course the text was "Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit." The title "God's drunkards."

Drunk people love everyone, show no inhibition or fear, give liberally, etc... Then at one point, the preacher referred to "spiritual beer goggles." No kidding.

Interesting!

Cindy 01-05-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1009371)
I've definitely heard that one preached before. Of course the text was "Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit." The title "God's drunkards."

Drunk people love everyone, show no inhibition or fear, give liberally, etc... Then at one point, the preacher referred to "spiritual beer goggles." No kidding.

Good grief, had he never heard of a mean drunk?

Cindy 01-05-2011 03:52 PM

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I wonder if he is meaning thinks about a lot instead of studies?

Socialite 01-05-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1009379)
I wonder if he is meaning thinks about a lot instead of studies?

Yeah... probably.

OneAccord 01-05-2011 03:55 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
No, the new improved Tide is the new detergent. No, wait... never mind.

Hoovie 01-05-2011 03:56 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1009362)
If you focus on righteousness you will be holy ... yes sir ....

Zone in ... push .... let the force guide you ...

More works based teaching from the works based paradigm ... it permeates in so much of their theology and practical living.

How about surrendering? Relying? Trusting ... let go and let God.

It sounds great to me to "focus on righteousness". II Tim 2:7, psalms 19:14.

Until you post quotes from DKB and RM showing they teach against surrendering, relying, and trusting you have a moot point here.

Cindy 01-05-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 1009384)
No, the new improved Tide is the new detergent. No, wait... never mind.

:heeheehee

Socialite 01-05-2011 04:00 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1009385)
It sounds great to me to "focus on righteousness". II Tim 2:7, psalms 19:4.

Until you post quotes from DKB and RM showing they teach against surrendering, relying, and trusting you have a moot point here.

2 Tim 2:7

Endure suffering along with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 Soldiers don’t get tied up in the affairs of civilian life, for then they cannot please the officer who enlisted them. 5 And athletes cannot win the prize unless they follow the rules. 6 And hardworking farmers should be the first to enjoy the fruit of their labor. 7 Think about what I am saying. The Lord will help you understand all these things.

Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


Not to pick at what you just said, but not really sure what 2 Tim 2:7 and Psa 19:4 mean to the topic, Hoovie.

Cindy 01-05-2011 04:00 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1009385)
It sounds great to me to "focus on righteousness". II Tim 2:7, psalms 19:4.

Until you post quotes from DKB and RM showing they teach against surrendering, relying, and trusting you have a moot point here.

:thumbsup

Socialite 01-05-2011 04:02 PM

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Rob, did you mean "focusing on sin" like focusing on how you can cheat your brother or sleep with your neighbor's wife? Or do you mean, study the unbiblical dogma that is uncut hair, etc?

Hoovie 01-05-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1009390)
2 Tim 2:7

Endure suffering along with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 Soldiers don’t get tied up in the affairs of civilian life, for then they cannot please the officer who enlisted them. 5 And athletes cannot win the prize unless they follow the rules. 6 And hardworking farmers should be the first to enjoy the fruit of their labor. 7 Think about what I am saying. The Lord will help you understand all these things.

Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


Not to pick at what you just said, but not really sure what 2 Tim 2:7 and Psa 19:4 mean to the topic, Hoovie.


Awe - yes typo... should be Psalms 19:14

Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

As to 2 Tim 2:7, When we meditate on God's word, the LORD Himself will enlighten our understanding.

Socialite 01-05-2011 05:09 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1009396)
Awe - yes typo... should be Psalms 19:14

Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

As to 2 Tim 2:7, When we meditate on God's word, the LORD Himself will enlighten our understanding.

Psa 19:14
Still a stretch IMO on the topic of "focusing on doing right" in order to do right.

2 Tim 2:7
Hoovie... still not following....

Hoovie 01-05-2011 05:16 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1009427)
Psa 19:14
Still a stretch IMO on the topic of "focusing on doing right" in order to do right.

2 Tim 2:7
Hoovie... still not following....

Hmmm... I am thinking meditation on God's righteousness could do nothing but set things in order.

Are you saying something else here? Is McGee saying focus on our own righteousness ability in order to accomplish righteous behavior?

Hoovie 01-05-2011 05:19 PM

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"Eve studied the fruit before she desired it. Focus on something long enough and you'll feel like you can't live without it. Ignore sin...focus on righteousness." (Rob McKee)

I agree. Ignore the temptations of the devil, focus instead on the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

...and the things of this world will grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace.

Socialite 01-05-2011 05:47 PM

Re: The New Deterrent?
 
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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1009429)
"Eve studied the fruit before she desired it. Focus on something long enough and you'll feel like you can't live without it. Ignore sin...focus on righteousness." (Rob McKee)

I agree. Ignore the temptations of the devil, focus instead on the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

...and the things of this world will grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace.

I could amen that too. All depends what McKee meant :) And what he means by "study." We typically don't "study sin."

RandyWayne 01-05-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1009378)
Good grief, had he never heard of a mean drunk?

Or a drunk who streaks!


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