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http://www.naturalnews.com/022267_va...h_freedom.html

Following the State of Maryland's threats against parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated, children were herded into a Price George County courthouse being guarded by armed personnel with attack dogs. Inside, the children were forcibly vaccinated, many against their will, under orders from the State Attorney General, various State Judges and the local School Board Director, all of whom illegally conspired to threaten parents with imprisonment if they did not submit their children to vaccinations.

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:shocked:

I see the AG has nothing against storm troopers...remind me to stay out of Maryland.

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Wow!

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OK, I skimmed the story and think it might have been written with just a slightly sensational angle. It made it sound like the kids were rounded up in the same way that the machine overlords of the future will round up humans for extermination and forced to receive injections of pure sulpheric acid using only dull rusty needles.

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Amerika at it's best.

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How reliable is that report, I wonder. Can't find any other news outlet mentioning this.

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Having said that, I do not believe parents should ever be forced to vaccinate outside of rare diseases which cause mass death and health issues unless they are stopped in their tracks, like polio.

There will always be a small % that don't and they will usually be just fine, but only because of the vast majority who DO.

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Yeah, some of that is true. But to get into public schools in most if not all states, you have to be vaccinated. But threatening arrest seems extreme to me. Some of my grandchildren are home schooled and have not been vaccinated.

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Tell us what really happened.

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Well, it is from a web site called Natural News. I highly doubt they advocate any sort of vaccination as a matter of editorial policy (although I am 100% they push soy, bran and whole milk big time!)

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If one believes that parents should be forced to vaccinate their children in any case... then one believes that parents should be forced to vaccinate their children.

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http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...cinations.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/can-t...our-child.html

This apparently happened in November of 2007.

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Yes, in some cases I do.

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If a young girl can have an abortion without a parent's consent or even knowledge this shouldn't be too surprising.
However, I wish they would be more consistent since you still can't give a child an asprin without mom and or dad's approval.

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Then the fact is... you do believe that parents should be forced to have vaccinations.

Land of the free huh?

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Should parents be prosecuted for letting their children die rather than get medical help for them?

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When it effect the whole population, yes. Going back to polio, it was nearly wiped out but NOW it is starting to make a comeback because no one is vaccinated for it anymore. Small pox on the other hand WAS wiped out and probably only exists in a few hidden labs scattered around the world (and in some terrorists labs).

And again, if your one of the 1-2% who don't vaccinate your kids then you still benefit from the 98-99% who do.

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No.

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How CAN it affect the whole population? Your kids (in this hypothetical scenario) were immunized. They can't catch it.

It can only affect those who were not immunized.

If it makes a rise then people will get vaccinated again. They have the vaccine and people who want it can have it. No problem.

Indeed. Is this why you want the other 1-2% forced to receive the shots against their will, beliefs and/or convictions?

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Do the benefits outweigh the risks? The price of state education? Do we want epidemics of preventable diseases?

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That would seem to be an issue decided at the family or individual level.

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I honestly think large schools are part of the problem as well. Just COLDS and Flu bugs reach epidemic proportions with so many hundreds of kids and adults crammed together. I don't think that everyone should be homeschooled (which I was by the way) but I do think schools should be smaller and more community based. Of course then critics would say "But how will we continue our football programs!!!".

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Should a woman be prosecuted for having an abortion? (I'm really asking if abortion should be illegal.)

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Only if she feels that God told her too or at least gave her permission.

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Were they when abortion was illegal?

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Killing babies should be illegal and yes aggressively prosecuted.

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Indeed. Urbanization causes great problems from health to sanitation to food and water supplies that put great strains on natural resources and public health.

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Jeffrey developed pneumonia 3x in his preschool year, and missed a total of 6 weeks of school due to illness. It was ridiculous--and frightening. His pediatrician agreed that it was directly related to starting school. It was part of what made us decide to homeschool him. We have gradually reintroduced him to the public sharing of viruses :rolleyes2 with careful hygiene instructions and a stronger immune system.

For people with chronic illnesses or lowered immune systems, having people around who don't have their kids immunized can not only be a hassle--it can be costly or deadly. To be fair, though, there's probably a much larger group of the immunized who simply aren't considerate enough to stay away from others when they're sick or diligent enough to practice good hygiene.

I don't like the idea of taking away personal liberties, but I really struggle on this topic. I don't appreciate the idea of someone endangering my son because they don't want to be immunized. However, I do understand someone refusing vaccines because they truly feel they are harmful to their children.

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Timmy... the problem with your line of questioning isn't generally the question as much as the question of whether or not you truly think they way you present yourself to think. If so... you scare me sometimes. :)

I'll answer your question... largely because I can't stand it when people want me to qualify WHY I'm asking a question before they answer. I also already expect where you're going from here but I will refrain from delving into that. I'll answer and then let you bring the expected retort and I'll deal with it then.

No... abortion should not be legal.

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Retort? I haven't figured out how to retort yet. Can you help me out? What were you expecting? :lol

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Oh yeah, here's where I was going with this (:winkgrin):

OK, parents should be allowed to let their (born) children die of treatable sickness (hope I'm not reading too much into your answer there, since I didn't mention treatment, but implied it), but they shouldn't be allowed to kill their unborn children. Where do you draw the line?

Land of the free, huh? ;)

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That's pretty much the definition of freedom man. People took their families to homestead in far away places and froze to death in the winters... or starved to death... or died of sicknesses. People struck out west in search of gold and died there.

People have convictions and beliefs that they stand by. Some people die standing for what they believe in and it used to be that we were free to do that.

But someone dying from a disease, even a treatable one, is not apples to apples with abortion.

No one is allowed to pour a liquid on their child that will burn then to death and kill them. No one is allowed to take a weapon and carve their kid to pieces. THESE THINGS are apples to apples with abortion and none of these things are allowed and nor should they be.

Timmy... I think sometimes you've postulated convoluted arguments for fun for so long that you've become convoluted in your own thinking. But, who knows, maybe you're still having fun. Let's hope so.

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I surley do not believe in forced vaccinations.

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I was expecting exactly what you delivered in your next post. Nearly word for word.

You've become predictable.

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That is good to hear. :)

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Sure am! :lol

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:TulsaROCKS:

(Betcha didn't see that comin'! :lol)

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You make some good points. But I'd say it's like apples to pears. Pretty similar. Dead is dead, after all. ;)

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This is even worse. In the third grade, i was forced to have a desk next to a girl with fleas.

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Are you sure it was fleas? It could have just been cooties. :)