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Welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants cost America's largest county more than $600 million last year, according to a local official keeping tabs on the cost

She also questioned the authenticity of Antonovich's numbers regarding health care and public safety -- though for the welfare program statistics, Antonovich cited numbers from the county's Department of Public Social Services.
Antonovich acknowledges that the children whose benefits he's focusing on are U.S.-born. But he argues that the moneyis collected by the illegal immigrant parents, putting a painful burden on taxpayers, including those who are legal immigrants.

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The state of Texas has a deficit of $27 billion dollars in 2011. That is just the deficit of one state. The cost(regardless of the benefits the new "legals" will provide) of passing the DREAM act is $6.2 billion nationwide. I think Jesus would want us to keep that money for ourselves don't you think?

Our church has a Spanish ministry and I met my wife there a couple of years ago. Should I have turned her and my "anchor baby" step-daughter in to the authorities? Maybe I'll stick with my own kind next time if God doesn't see fit for this marriage to work.

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The Church has always been a sanctuary to refugees, those without a home, and in trouble. You may call her a criminal, but I'd receive her as a sister and definitely tell her she could trust our community to love her --- not play detective on her.

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As far as the Dream Act goes, I don't believe we should reward people who are not citizens just because they are going to college if we are not gonna reward everyone that comes here from Japan and other places to go to school with Citizenship too. It does not make sense

However I do think we should give those that serve in the military a full term and see action with a path to citizenship

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Do you love her enough to pay all her expenses while she is here and all her family that will follow her. A criminal is anyone who is breaking the law.

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Then go get 'em Inspector Javert! :thumbsup

May Jesus be with you in your righteous pursuits.

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Maybe you could enlighten us with your solution for the illegal immigration problem?

:highfive

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It doesn't sound like his point was to get into his solutions. He was saying he wouldn't start turning in those who were in his family or church.

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So you would then turn in others, who were not in your family or church?

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I wouldn't.

There's a family across the street from me that we've gotten to know quite well. I suspect they are here illegally. They are not violent people, drug users, etc. If they were, I'd probably report them. I don't ask, they don't tell. That's my personal rule for now.

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The problem is, even if you report them, nothing happens.
So, why report?

Don't take me wrong. I know illegals and have had illegals in churches that I have been in.
However, something needs done about the issue.
My solution would be to first stop the flow into the country.
Then we can discuss a solution for those who are already here.
I believe President Bush was preparing to deal with this issue, but 9/11 struck and changed the plan.

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they pay there own expenses...they pay taxes.. whose been teaching u these ideas that america has to feed these people. the media probably alerted you. plus i am gna quote you sir "a criminal is anyone who is breaking the law" it was a crime for the blacks to go to "White Only" Restaurants yet they did it. they were Criminals. Martin Luther King did it. Then i guess he was a Criminal for breaking the law.

i know of one law though sir... its called the bible...
and check this verse out
Leviticus 19:34

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Here in the us, if you give birth to a child on us soil, that child = American.

The majority of illegal immigrants in US are failed refugee statius applicants. However, once they are here, they often have children. Now there is a problem, there is this child, a new US citizen, and their parents who are illegal immigrants. I certainly could not stand up and tell a family "ok, we are keeping your child but you guys are going home". My problem is how this all happened in the first place. I personally believe that citizenship should be inherited from the parents,I do believe thats the way it was entened to be.

As for the economics of it, the child who is a us citizen can enroll in school, has access to health care and all other such services. Such services are paid for by tax dollars - here comes the question: Do illegal immigrants cheat the government out of tax dollars?

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Comparing people coming to the US illegally to racist laws of the south is absurd. The US has always allowed immigrants from other races to enter the US.

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we should all look at how the Germans did it..they would turn in jews easily...why cant we turn in these illegal Leeches..kill them all...do something ...tired of all these humanitarian people defending these Mexicans.. Praxeas is awesome...keep spreading the news bro...you have my backup..we should round them up and deport them..if they try to come back pull a Hitler and put them in concentraion camps...theres no other resolution...there leeches..there mexicans...there not born here so they shouldnt be welcomed..plus there ILLEGAL...lets kick these leeches out...

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racist laws of the south? as i have read it on text books..they were laws everywhere..but remember they were LAWS..so was martin luther king and the protesters breaking the law CRIMINALS? yes or no just tell me the answer..

because u call Immigrants trying to survive coming to america breaking ur law.. there CRIMINALS... so were MLK and all the other protesters..

Were the Pilgrims that came to America searching for a better life Criminals? because they came to the Native American soil in Virginia and had big battles and killed most of the Natves..

Illegal Immigration in America has been going on for years...since the first Illegal Settler came to Jamestown nd suddenly though this was there land..

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You didn't even read what I said, that or comprehended it.

Where did I suggest rounding them up and deporting them? Are you just a troll here to make up lies or have you been on crack for so long that you are permanently delusional?

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I don't know where you "read it".in fact so far Im a little dubious of your reading skills, but those laws were mostly in the south.

The US allows immigration from all nations. Only a fool would be for open borders to allow every one that wants to just to enter the US unchecked

That is why we have laws, not to keep immigrants out but to scrutinize the ones coming in so we don't get every other nations criminals, crazies or terrorists

As I said the US has always had a policy of taking in the world's refugees but the are supposed to go through a process, not skip it and enter illegally

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Exactly so lets get rid of them...you said it urself they broke the law..

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A better solution is to do a better job of closing the borders and restart the guest worker program

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I think Jesus would like it if we brought our loaves and fishes and shared them with those less fortunate than our selves. He would probably like it if we stopped paying farmers to grow more corn than we need and dumping it on the markets of central America and Mexico putting their farmers out of work, and off their land and here in the US looking for a job.

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Yes but we don't need to look to illegals to find those less fortunate than ourselves. There are plenty of legals and American citizens right here that need help

Do you have evidence that our extra corn is not being used for ethanol and is instead being forced on central America and Mexico and lower prices than their farmers can sell to put them out of work and off their land? Ironically a lot of our fruit comes from S. Am

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This is still treating the symptoms and not the cause. What is at stake here is survival. NAFTA has been an utter failure for the middle class of both countries and a boom for the wealthy and the corporations that have no loyalty . The borders are like stop lights that the police and fire fighters run when some ones life is in danger. NAFTA has devastated agriculture south of the border and industry to the north. The men that are here illegally don't want to be here. They would like to be with their wives and children or their girl friends and sleep in their own beds. Instead they are in a foreign country where they are exploited and every one is mad at them; even their Christian brothers. They work their butts off 6-7 days a week sharing a house with 10 other guys and sending all their money home to take care of their families. I have found their Western Union receipts in the back of my pickup. Unjust laws have been passed buy bribed politicians and they have destroyed the fabric of community by causing us to blame each other and the poorest among us.

The bible gives us guidelines on how we are to treat aliens nd we would be wise to follow them.

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Nafta isn't the cause. The Cause is a system of government and economics in Mexico that is a failure. Unless you advocate taking over Mexico and making it a state of the US, then all we can do is address the problem

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Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the impact of farm subsidies

Impact of subsidies

Farm subsidies have the direct effect of transferring income from the general tax payers to farm owners. The justification for this transfer and its effects are complex and often controversial.
[edit] Global food prices and international trade

Although some critics and proponents of the World Trade Organization have noted that export subsidies, by driving down the price of commodities, can provide cheap food for consumers in developing countries,[21][22] low prices are harmful to farmers not receiving the subsidy. Because it is usually wealthy countries that can afford domestic subsidies, critics argue that they promote poverty in developing countries by artificially driving down world crop prices.[23] Agriculture is one of the few areas where developing countries have a comparative advantage, but low crop prices encourage developing countries to be dependent buyers of food from wealthy countries. So local farmers, instead of improving the agricultural and economic self-sufficiency of their home country, are instead forced out of the market and perhaps even off their land. This occurs as a result of a process known as "international dumping" in which subsidized farmers are able to "dump" low-cost agricultural goods on foreign markets at costs that un-subsidized farmers cannot compete with. Agricultural subsidies often are a common stumbling block in trade negotiations. In 2006, talks at the Doha round of WTO trade negotiations stalled because the US refused to cut subsidies to a level where other countries' non-subsidized exports would have been competitive.[24]

Others argue that a world market with farm subsidies and other market distortions (as happens today) results in higher food prices, rather than lower food prices, as compared to a free market.[citation needed]

Mark Malloch Brown, former head of the United Nations Development Program, estimated that farm subsidies cost poor countries about USD$50 billion a year in lost agricultural exports:

"It is the extraordinary distortion of global trade, where the West spends $360 billion a year on protecting its agriculture with a network of subsidies and tariffs that costs developing countries about US$50 billion in potential lost agricultural exports. Fifty billion dollars is the equivalent of today's level of development assistance."[25][26]

[edit] Poverty in Developing Countries

The impact of agricultural subsidies in developed countries upon developing-country farmers and international development is well documented. Agricultural subsidies depress world prices and mean that unsubsidised developing-country farmers cannot compete; and the effects on poverty are particularly negative when subsidies are provided for crops that are also grown in developing countries since developing-country farmers must then compete directly with subsidised developed-country farmers, for example in cotton and sugar.[27] The IFPRI has estimated in 2003 that the impact of subsidies costs developing countries $24Bn in lost incomes going to agricultural and agro-industrial production; and more than $40Bn is displaced from net agricultural exports.[28] Moreover the same study found that the Least Developed Countries have a higher proportion of GDP dependent upon agriculture, at around 36.7%, thus may be even more vulnerable to the effects of subsidies. It has been argued that subsidised agriculture in the developed world is one of the greatest obstacles to economic growth in the developing world; which has an indirect impact on reducing the income available to invest in rural infrastructure such as health, safe water supplies and electricity for the rural poor.[29] The total amount of subsidies that g

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NAFTA and all of the other free trade agreement are for the benefit of big business. That is why they gave Bill Clinton so much money to get elected. In just the 8 years the George W. Bush was in office 49,000 factories closed and went over seas. Things haven't gotten any better since Obama was elected. Please go to http://www.freespeech.org and see the documentary "American Jobs" 30 year of predatory capitalism have just about killed this country and the worst part is that the people are blaming each other instead of the companies the foisted this upon us.

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Exactly who is paying farmers to grow more corn than we need?

Is that a dis honest claim?

We are paying farmers to not plant certain crops.

We are also not dumping corn in the other Americas. In fact the corn shortages have raised the price since last year.

Corn was $3.40 june 25 last year.
Corn trading at $6.70 This week.


The United States grew 39 percent of the world's corn in during fiscal year 2010, producing 331 million metric tons (12.1 billion bushels). Other major corn producing countries in 2009/2010 included:

China -158 million metric tons (6.2 billion bushels)
European Union - 57.1 million metric tons (2.25 billion bushels)
Brazil- 56.1 million metric tons (2.2 billion bushels)
Argentina - 22.5 million metric tons (886 million bushels)
Mexico - 20.3 million metric tons (799 million bushels)
India - 16.7 million metric tons (657 million bushels)

The price of corn tortillas triples. Kinda refutes your false claim of corn "dumping"

Your dishonest line about dumping corn so mexicans go broke. They buy corn from us and it is very expensive. If they raised more, they wouldn't have to import the expensive corn.

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People in China need to eat. Your imperialist attitude is rather robust.

It is funny when the leftist regime pushes its propoganda.
"Predatory capitalism"

Do you make stuff up? Chan has 49 million people in jail. They work in manyfacturing jobs and get food. They do not earn a paycheck. We can't compete with labor that is nearly free. When Mao Zedong came along, he starved the poor classes and millions died. Now they make consumer products and get food.

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It still has little to do with the economy in Mexico and illegal immigration. Mexicans have been coming here long before Nafta

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Country of origin Raw number Percent of total Percent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico 6,650,000 62 42%
El Salvador 530,000 5 25%
Guatemala 480,000 4 65%
Honduras 320,000 3 95%
Philippines 270,000 2 33%
India 200,000 2 64%
Korea 200,000 2 14%
Other(balance) 2,145,000 20


Notice how much the number have gone up since 2000