Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 

The recent list published in the Forward of pastors and ministers dropping from the fellowship includes:

Mark Johnston
Vince Larson

Johnston who preached a stirring message at GC in 2007 and was subsequently the target of a General Board member's (Chester Wright's) letter to then Bishop Haney ... alluding to MJ being an emergent.

The Motown boys are on the move.

***** Jeff Garner MAY BE in the process of dropping out *** will this be official in the coming days ????

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It's sad to see that the UPCI is still guided by the angriest and most intemperate voices.

... of course, the second name you listed seems to have pretty much shown himself out the door a little while back.

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The last BOTT I attended MJ preached a fine message about Jesus. In fact I was beginning to regret attending the conference until that message. I knew God sent me there to specifically hear that Word from the Lord. I was dumbstruck that people were offended at the message. The sermon basically said that Jesus was what this is all about. That people "would see Jesus". That the only people who got in the way of people who wanted to see Jesus were the Pharisees. MJ preached if we want people to see Jesus we have to fight against a Pharisee spirit. I was in complete agreement. I was convicted to fight the Pharisee in me. I believe all people of faith have the potential to become religious, self-righteous, steeped in tradition, hypocritical Pharisees. I took the message personal and embraced its truth. Others evidently took it personal and were offended. It was the beginning of the crucifixion of MJ.

Funny thing. You would think the "Jesus Only" people, the "people of the Name", the people with the great revelation of who Jesus is would rejoice at such a message. But I guess the Pharisee part hit a little close to home for some and they didn't like the reflection in the looking glass of the Word. They decided to forget what manner of man they saw in that reflection.

And, as history bears out millions of times before, the messenger is targeted, despised, marginalized, defamed, deemed dangerous and toxic. Strange that preaching Jesus, the blood and the cross makes someone a pariah. Preach anything, but don't preach Jesus! There's no other choice. Preach for the praise of men or preach for the applause of heaven.

Burning at the stake, hanging, drowning, firing squad, excommunication, kicked out, pressured out, starved out, crucified, whatever---the end result is the same. The Machine will destroy you. Okay a little dramatic, but you get the picture. MJ will do fine. He's a good man and will keep preaching Jesus. A good church will continue to move forward.

For those of you that want to preach Jesus for those who would see Jesus, keep on keepin on. But be warned, hell takes notice of the Jesus Preachers. Be vigilant, be alert. But take heart: the gates of hell will not prevail.

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I've been privileged to hear Mark Johnston. The UPCI lost another great one.

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From a Biblical standpoint, is this correct? I'm not at home to do any research, but it seems like all of the religious groups were at fault. I know we like to target the Pharisees, but seems like the other groups were just as much as fault as well.

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According to some of the comments on a Mark Johnston youtube video, He's been out of the UPC for a few months:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt2bAW4ZwLw

"He is not UPCI anymore....he has totally went off the deep end and has no doctrinal stance based on his website.....
Drew2Cute 3 months ago"

"..is he still with UPCI..? I'm asking as I'm unable to locate him in the UPCI Church Locator.
YoMamaWearzArmyBootz 4 months ago

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So the entire constituency of the UPC ministers under the age of 35 in now in the 300s and dropping?

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less than 5% ...

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Sources?

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They are witch hunting themselves into extinction.

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:eek::eek::eek::eek:

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***** Jeff Garner MAY BE in the process of dropping out *** official in the coming days ????

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Jeff Hennigan and Jim Kilgore next?

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Maybe they (those dropping out of the UPC) will form a loose alliance, then Keith will have a place to belong. :)

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Right on the money!!!! Well said.:thumbsup

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Preaching Jesus and His ability to save to the uttermost has alway been an offense and stumbling block. Why? It takes the control out of the hands of men and returns it to God, and empowers the pew like nothing else! God is at work and WHO will hinder Him???
"The Walls are Coming Down" "...like a rolling stone, the cross before me, no chains on me"!!!! Chris Tomlin

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Bump.

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Well, let's just consider the New Testament, and the NT only for a moment.

What "other religious groups" were involved in criticizing and attacking the ministry of Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry in the Gospels? ... nobody?

In the specific case cited, "... We would see Jesus..." (John 12) we have an example of a group of "Greeks" (most likely Hellenized, and thus ritually "unclean" Jews) asking to see Jesus. This request is handed up a sort of chain of command among the disciples and we are never told whether the "Greeks" got to see Jesus at all.

We are told however, that Jesus Christ is to be glorified and that "the Prince of this world shall be cast out." Thus, it appears, Christ is to become the "Prince" of all men - whether they are ritualistically kosher or not.

The text continues a discussion where some question Jesus' testimony based upon their own understanding of the Law. Jesus corrects their understanding and once again asserts His own Primacy.

... but, we are never told whether or not the "Greeks" got to see Jesus. From the context, I guess they did, eventually; when Jesus was "lifted up."

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Those "backsliders" with their "filth?"

Why is it ... Why do the radical and "hard-core" standards kind of guys in the UPC and WPF sound more and more like the "Old Steve Winters?" It seems that even Winters finally got tired of that rap and decided to relax and even "rock out" a bit.

... a crazy kind of a bit, but the guy has certainly tamed his vehemence and rhetoric. Now, to hear someone called "filth" you have to go to General Conference or read a WPF website.

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Very well-said! I think that deserves a standing ovation...:highfive

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Can someone PLEASE post a picture or link to a picture (non-youtube) of Pastor (Evangelist) Mark Johnston?

Does anyone know if this guy has like a raspy quality to his voice? If so, I remember him from Jacksonville, NC-- many years ago.

Thank you!

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Well...I was actually alluding to MJ on one of my posts this morning. That being two prominent pastors in the state next to me (Deleware) had pulled out. I'm not into name dropping...but since the cat is out of the bag...Anthony Trout was on that list as well and his church is huge in Dover, and his dad is huge in the Delaware district.

I both know and have heard MJ preach, he is amazing and not only zealous for God but has a tremendous passion for people. I have not heard him for awhile now, but I would imagine him being the same way.

From what I see, they are loosing younger preachers like a cut jugular. The sad part is I don't believe it has to be this way.

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I am from Delaware and know both of these pastors (AT and MJ). I don't know if they have or have not dropped their UPCI licenses...nor do I care... But I DO KNOW they are both anointed men of God and as strong as ever in their work for the Kingdom.

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I can confirm that the men mentioned have dropped their license. Their names are in the Forward under the "No Longer Affiliated" section.

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Johnston was/is a very powerful speaker. Trout is from Pentecostal Royalty. The Trout name is huge in the northeast.

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http://www.yourjourney.tv/#/who-we-are/pastors

dunno about how raspy his voice is lately, however.

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The UPCI definitely lost two jewels when they lost AT and MJ. Also, AT's wife sings like an angel...so make that three jewels.

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The latest Forward lists 63 newly licensed ministers.

Unfortunately, it also lists 16 ministers as deceased, and 79 ministers who have written to drop their license.

THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY MINISTERS WHO HAVE LET THEIR DUES LAPSE.

63 added.
95 dropped.

And this does not include those who leave quietly, by not paying their dues. Many men leave this way because they do not want their name published in the "No Longer Affiliated" section.

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I am saddened a bit. I worked with AT briefly, long ago. I really wish these guys would have stood their ground and fought back against the mean-spirited and unjust attacks they received. Someone needs to stand up to the bullies out on the Apostolic/Pentecostal playground.

... but then again, when push came to shove for me, I was silent as I got shoved around and quietly demurred to the boneheads. In the end, all that will be left of the U.P. of C. will be the boneheads. Unless, those boneheads go out and found another WWPF type thing.

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Is the Froward Magazine still quarterly?

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Jermyn,

I wouldn't say his voice was raspy.

You have to listen fast when Mark Johnston talks! LOL. But my advice is, DO LISTEN FAST because you won't want to miss a word of it. I could listen to his sermons three or four times and probably pick up something I missed each time. They are so packed full!

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Every other month.

Truth is, the UPC has less ministers now than it did five years ago.

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I guess Leonard Westberg's "bowel movement" has become more like the runs.

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Bump:thumbsup

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I doubt anyone ever bullied AT... LOL.

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I recently let my license drop.

I know of six other ministers whom I am close to in both age and ideology who have done the same.

They're sick of it.

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The Trouts are great people ... saw them from afar at the Global shindig

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I would say those leaving range from 35-45

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Thank you.

This is the man I remember. I was so impressed with the way the Lord used him in our services when he was there. My Pastor at time (Pastor Gilbert) was-- our whole church was!

I think I may have the cassette tape recordings somewhere too (in storage).




Defintely in agreement here!

I remember thinking man this guy is not much older than me and he is such an INTELLIGENT and ANOINTED preacher!

I remember thinking that he had to be special for this young man to be preaching at our church-- Pastor Gilbert was a very special Pastor to me.


It's times like this when my reflections on my time in Jacksonville, NC are so positive. We prayed for Mark Johnston, for him to bring a word from the Lord, before he even showed up. I remember being so glad when he came and wishing that he would stay. Man, there were some really good times in Jacksonville, NC.


That UPCI church in Jacksonville, NC had some AWESOME services-- very powerful moves of God in the lives of so many people there! I'm convinced that the main reason for this is that so many of the people in our church prayed so often.

The UPCI church in Jacksonville, NC was a praying church!

I would listen to then Evangelist Mark Johnston's tapes in my car over and over again when I was stationed at Camp LeJeune.