Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1019735)

http://www.clministry.com/conference...k/schedule.php

Will he ............?

Watch tonite:http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/cause-of-the-cross/

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In other news, LS finally updated his website this month but the doctorates remain ...

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 857753)

I'm not sure what I posted so I may not be able to answer your questions.

My pastor from 1957 to 1963/64 was Frank Curts. He was Dist. Supt. of the Ohio UPC. He taught that in order to get into the Bride of Christ a person had to repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, and receive the Holy Ghost Baptism. He taught that nobody would be in the rapture who did not complete those three steps. He taught that the rapture was before the tribulation and was part of the first resurrection of Rev 20:4-6. Others who were part of the first resurrection were the martyrs during the tribulation period (Rev 7:9-17). He taught that the second resurrection (Rev. 20:11-15 and Matthew 25:31-46) was after the millennium and all who were not in the first resurrection were included. Those judged were divided into two groups, sheep and goats. The goats went to the lake of fire and the sheep went to Heaven. The sheep were called "righteous" because of the lives they lived but were not called "holy" because they had not been baptized in Jesus' name and baptized in the Holy Spirit. He taught that all who walked in all the light they had would go to Heaven and that their righteous deeds were evidence that they were sincerely serving God.

Bishop Haywood taught pretty much the same except he taught that the righteous went to the new earth. I'm attaching a copy of his book on the resurrection. He explains his position on that under the subject of the second resurrection.

Bro. S.G. Norris taught what is some times called "holy, righteous, and wicked." The "holy" are those who have obeyed Acts 2:38 since Pentecost; plus the Old Testament prophets who had the Holy Spirit in their lives; plus the children of at least one parent who had obeyed Acts 2:38 according to 1 Corinthians 7:14; plus those who were martyred in the tribulation. These were all in the first resurrection. Then, at the second resurrection, all who had walked in all the light they had received eternal life at the Great White Throne judgment (second resurrection) and went into the new earth. I'm attaching a chart of his (actually by Bro. Davis but like the way Bro. Norris would depict it on the blackboard) which teaches this.

A while back I read a book titled "Prophetic Research, The Study of Eschatology" by Clyde Haney. Actually Than Haney (Clyde's grandson and Ken's son) published the book from Clyde Haney's notes. On pages 53 and 54 in his comments on Rev. 20:11-15 he also teaches that righteous people who were not part of the New Testament church will have eternal life.

Attached are:
Bishop Haywood's book on the Resurrection. He goes into that when he talks about the second resurrection.

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If (Post 1019780)

Interesting.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1019738)

Nathaniel teaching on the primality of the King James Version:
http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/cause-of-the-cross/

about minute 22:00 - 27:00

Bible must have "Byzantine text" ....

The Message is "nonsense" ... get rid of it.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 1019749)

LS teaching SG Norris' light doctrine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0wY6...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isysZ...eature=related

http://serve.mysmiley.net/confused/confused0054.gif

Wicked go to hell
Righteous, who walked in the light they knew, inherit the earth.
The Holy go to heaven.

Pass me some Q-tips. Did he just make allowance to those who did not obey Acts 2:38 ... even a Trinnie granted eternal life?

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1019746)

Naw, I have to wash my hair.

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 1019855)

It looks like Stoneking spoke yesterday to the men:

"Thursday, January 27, 2011

o 10:00 A.M. - Men's Day (9025 West Lane facility)
* Speakers: Ted Graves / Lee Stoneking"

Did anyone go or have a link?

Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1019903)

Except for the last couple years, I have been going to landmark since the 80's and Stoneking being the Friday night preacher (for about that long as well)

He usually tries to tie things up with a bang!

He usually preaches about faith and will encourage everyone to pray for each other.

I don't think he will be teaching the light doctrine-

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1019907)

I've also heard him for years.


I'm sure Hair will be in there somewhere... or his political 9/11 opinions, his NRA machismo (funny), angelology, .... Yeah, I don't think he'd be teaching the Light Doctrine either. I think that's why it's pretty significant. It's interesting LS would believe that -- I don't think many on AFF have deep issues with that ("One-steppers" that is).

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1019922)

Liz... just hard for me to hear him anymore, knowing how deep some of his ideas are in heresy and some of the venomous comments he's made about good brothers with whom he disagrees.

Glad you guys can still enjoy all that hocus pocus...

Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1019926)

I really don't, I hear what you are saying.

But do I have to do the same thing, know what I mean?

Regardless if a man is wrong, I think we should be better than this- how many times do we have to talk him and what he believes?

Although I may not get the respect, do I have to be disrespectful in return and be disrespectful as well?

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1019953)

I'm not sure of that answer. I appreciate your desire to be godly through it all.

I also reflect on Paul's zealousness for the Gospel and toward those who pervert it. He seemed ruthless at times. I don't believe Paul was defending his own pride or Apostleship, as much as the Spirit helping him defend that which is Holy.

At the same time, I think you make a good point that if we aren't in close community with LS, that are emotional investment should not be as great. At the same time, this man is nationally known, his Gospel perversion put all over the internet, his preaching to hundreds and thousands of things that are not the Gospel.

We aren't reacting in a Mt 18 way, but Im not really sure what that would accomplish, other than an afterward public rebuke of "compromisers" and "backsliders" -- which is what you and your husband is to him.

LS's heresy is public and should be criticized also publicly. He should repent, seek God's face and counsel from other brothers. His own fellowship has not called him to repentance, and that's part of the problem.

You can certainly pray for and love LS as a man who maybe has contributed to your life over the years. But in terms of his Gospel errancies, and even words against other brothers in the Body, they deserve open rebuke IMO.

Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1019970)

I don't know if this is right avenue which to do that on- I think it just back fires.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1019997)

I'm cautious about that as well and I appreciate your perspective.

I think many have found the open criticism of LS as a confirmation of what they've thought and had been going along with. Could the HS use something like this to move people along, from the voices of wolves, into the pasture of His own?

That said, I acknowledge sometimes things can go too far, become too abrasive, turn personal --- and stray from the heart desire that LS be restored, corrected and loved by Jesus.

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1020245)

Just tuned in.

Bro. Haney just told them to hold off playing those bongo drums

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1020245)

Just tuned in.

Bro. Haney just told them to hold off playing those bongo drums

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1020252)

Is that a hair piece that Bro. Haney's wearing? Sure looks like one. Surely he wouldn't wear one in the UPC.

BT

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 1020256)

I think it's his hair - he just fixes it with an awning in the front!

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1020252)

Is that a hair piece that Bro. Haney's wearing? Sure looks like one. Surely he wouldn't wear one in the UPC.

BT

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1020259)

Bangs? I'm sorry, that is what I thought of with the word awning. I'm really not making fun of Bro. Haney.