Should AFF Change Their Name?
 

Seems like those pushing for the name change are conservatives who don't like sharing the name "Apostolic" with those who don't fit their small town brand.

That said, it'd be nice to see what everyone else thinks. Should AFF change their name? If so, what would be more appropriate?

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If you vote "yes" -- please take your liberty to tell your "why" :)

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Nope. Absolutely not.

To change the name would only please those who have bailed on this forum and yet still spend their days talking about us day in and day out.

To them I say... Debate or depart.

Don't sit out there in your four & no more circles discussing us... go on about your business... get a life... buy a good book... I'd suggest the Bible. It has a great ending. :)

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:hanky

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How about we just call it "Bob"?

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Then they'd talk about Bobbed Hair Women over at Bob. :)

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No. Ultra-con, con, moderate, lib or ex. AFF is here for us all.

We all have this in common....we have deep roots in the Apostolic church. You can take the person out of the church but you can't ever completely take the church out of the person. It gets in your DNA. It is part of who we are.

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:thumbsup

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True... and kinda sad.

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:highfive

Ah-ha! uccmlexapostolicfriendsforum.com

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And... ApostolicFriendsForum.


That's who it's open too... if some of them don't show up... it ain't our fault.

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There is nothing sad about that whatsoever. :foottap

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:thumbsup

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They would probably be happy with that because EX comes right before Apostolic!! :)

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I think so.

The years of hard-wiring in me are permanent damage.

My legalistic judgment of others. Warming up to seeing people not in uniform. Feeling like I have to stand on my head to have a "successful" time of worship. Anxiety sometimes about salvation.

All of this, God is helping me through, but I no doubt sense is permanent damage.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

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All pro-name changer, now's your change for your voice to be heard!

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It's a very personal problem.

Which is why I explained the "sadly" comment about the hard-wiring from years of indoctrination and cultural brainwashing (often involuntary).

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We have one Yes voter. Can someone check the By-Laws and see if Kyle Stout has veto power over everyone else?

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You don't get it, that's all.

When you believe things in a certain way, beliefs have consequences. They also produce culture. Culture affects us in both voluntary and involuntary ways. Things we don't even think about. If "outsiders" were those with long sideburns, televisions lighting their rooms and mustaches, you consider than for a few decades and it's a pretty well burnt template into your subconscious. It has trained patterns in your brain. This can be fleshed out a 100 different ways.

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oh , I get it.

I just put it where it belongs.

:trashcan

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Bottom of the 1st. Score is 8-1.

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oh please. just a personal attack ? thats all you got ? Which "Apostolic Identity" does calling someone ignorant fall under ?

We talk all the time about how people should think for themselves yet some peoples lives are turned upside down by a man behind a pulpit.

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Yeah, your trash can message wasn't exactly "blowing up my skirt" and gushing with personal love. Let's not act surprised by the reaction you got.

I gave you an explanation, and you gave me a trash can.

And yes, many people's lives are turned upside down by a man behind a pulpit. You couldn't be more right. And I suppose it's not the pastor's fault. It's those who believed he was the "Man O God," the Moses for all time, and any dissent, disobedience and disagreement would take you straight to the hot place -- or at least "plant a seed of rebellion" which would cause you to "backslide." But yeah... just those obedient people's fault. Especially when they grew up in this since they were a child. No frontal lobes, no ability to adequately reason things through. But yeah... it's their fault. :shifty

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You said it :thumbsup

And sure its their fault too. Just like its the husbands fault who beats their wives. but its the wives fault if they continualy get beaten.

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What are you even talking about?

:nutso

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2 to 9 bottom of the 2nd.

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11-3.

Still a blow-out.

I may change my vote. I like "THE 'MORE APOSTOLIC THAN YOU' FORUM" (thanks, Danny Boy)

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It won't be changed - - ever.

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I voted against the grain of legalism and know-it-all-ism.

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I voted yes, because I never liked the name. I grew up in the UPC, but never identified myself as Apostolic. I think some regions use the term more than others. Faithchild was a better name (although I realize it could not be used).

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You say that so authoritatively... do you still have voting power? :happydance

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NO, AFF should not change their name.

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Outside of the UC's who despite anyone "sharing" the name "Apostolic," (boy do they have their hands full with the Catholics, who have used the name for a good 2,000 years longer) why the objection from others?

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How stupid does a wife have to be to coninually get beaten when she has a choice to stop it?

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12 to 4.

Interestingly, 14 voted "No" with a reason though. So maybe it's 14 to 4. The name-changers still are representing about 29% of the forum! Not bad!

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:ohplease

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LOL - no, just know the dynamics and it won't change.

We're registered under this name, have vBulletin license under this name - why change.