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Praxeas 02-04-2011 02:12 AM
UFO seen over Jerusalem?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xb9J...ture=topvideos

Praxeas 02-04-2011 02:17 AM
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another angle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BF2m...xp_rn-2r-10-HM

supertone 02-04-2011 04:42 AM
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There's no such thing as aliens. What is the likelihood of mankind creating this kind of technology? If it were piloted, not high. The rate of accelaration would be too extreme for a human passenger. That leaves a few options. 1. It's a hoax or elaborate lighting system. 2. It was unpiloted human technology or 3. Spiritual occurence. It'll be interesting to see what sort of answers the boffins come up with.

John Atkinson 02-04-2011 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by supertone (Post 1024850)
There's no such thing as aliens. What is the likelihood of mankind creating this kind of technology? If it were piloted, not high. The rate of accelaration would be too extreme for a human passenger. That leaves a few options. 1. It's a hoax or elaborate lighting system. 2. It was unpiloted human technology or 3. Spiritual occurence. It'll be interesting to see what sort of answers the boffins come up with.
I disagree, I can't believe for a second God made this vast universe and left it empty.

But as for the video? I doubt it was aliens, well maybe the Goa'uld.

Digging4Truth 02-04-2011 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by supertone (Post 1024850)
There's no such thing as aliens. What is the likelihood of mankind creating this kind of technology? If it were piloted, not high. The rate of accelaration would be too extreme for a human passenger. That leaves a few options. 1. It's a hoax or elaborate lighting system. 2. It was unpiloted human technology or 3. Spiritual occurence. It'll be interesting to see what sort of answers the boffins come up with.
I love how the small little world that people live in is so quickly defined by what they "know" when we all know so little. (And I'm not even talking about the alien comment)

It makes me want to break out singing the old song "It's a small world after all" but with a brand new meaning.

It was the vast knowledge of mankind that led him to believe we lived on a flat earth and that rats came from old rags. And yet each generation thinks that we are the ones who finally know all parameters necessary to draw large and final conclusions.

Mankind, mankind... you never change.

missourimary 02-04-2011 07:18 AM
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Ah, fire falling on the Dome of the Rock Temple Mount--God is confirming His message again! :nah

Digging4Truth 02-04-2011 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 1024897)
Ah, fire falling on the Dome of the Rock Temple Mount--God is confirming His message again! :nah
(Shaking head)

Girl... you are on your toes early this morning. :)

RandyWayne 02-04-2011 08:26 AM
Re: UFO see over Jerusalem?
 
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1024860)
I love how the small little world that people live in is so quickly defined by what they "know" when we all know so little. (And I'm not even talking about the alien comment)

It makes me want to break out singing the old song "It's a small world after all" but with a brand new meaning.

It was the vast knowledge of mankind that led him to believe we lived on a flat earth and that rats came from old rags. And yet each generation thinks that we are the ones who finally know all parameters necessary to draw large and final conclusions.

Mankind, mankind... you never change.
The Earth as seen from 3.7 billion miles away.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aleBlueDot.jpg

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From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of particular interest. But for us, it's different. Look again at that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
Carl Sagan

Austin 02-04-2011 08:38 AM
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Somebody has been watching the History channel a lot!:toofunny

Digging4Truth 02-04-2011 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1024928)
Somebody has been watching the History channel a lot!:toofunny
That's not really the type of thing that the History Channel is know for. But... what do you mean by your statement?

BroGary 02-04-2011 11:47 AM
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There is a very likely possibility that those working towards a Luciferian one world government (the prophesied global government of the Antichrist) will use a faked alien/ufo senario as part of their deception to help usher in their evil global government.

Google the following:

"Project Bluebeam"

and you can find info that will give the details of how such a deception could possibly be done via "Project Bluebeam".

Digging4Truth 02-04-2011 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BroGary (Post 1025273)
There is a very likely possibility that those working towards a Luciferian one world government (the prophesied global government of the Antichrist) will use a faked alien/ufo senario as part of their deception to help usher in their evil global government.

Google the following:

"Project Bluebeam"

and you can find info that will give the details of how such a deception could possibly be done via "Project Bluebeam".
I know of Project Bluebeam...

But... what scriptures prophesy global government of the antichrist?

seekerman 02-04-2011 01:13 PM
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Yep, the Dome of the Rock video was interesting for sure. I don't totally discount extraterrestrial UFOs for one minute. Too much of that kind of stuff going on for several millenia now.

BroGary 02-04-2011 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1025395)
I know of Project Bluebeam...

But... what scriptures prophesy global government of the antichrist?
Well, there are other scriptures that relate to a global government of the Antichrist, busy right now, so I'll just post these now:

Revelation 13:16, 17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark....

(obviously there will need to be some kind of global government system in placce to try to enforce such a system as mentioned in the above scriptures)

Digging4Truth 02-04-2011 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BroGary (Post 1025450)
Well, there are other scriptures that relate to a global government of the Antichrist, busy right now, so I'll just post these now:

Revelation 13:16, 17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark....

(obviously there will need to be some kind of global government system in placce to try to enforce such a system as mentioned in the above scriptures)
While you have expressed your feeling of what will be required to fulfill your interpretation of this scripture there is nothing about the antichrist or global government in this verse.

It is okay that you are busy. I will wait.

BroGary 02-04-2011 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1025455)
While you have expressed your feeling of what will be required to fulfill your interpretation of this scripture there is nothing about the antichrist or global government in this verse.

It is okay that you are busy. I will wait.
Still on the busy side for a good part of this evening, but checked back for a minute for a quick reply.

The fact that the mark will be required for ALL to buy or sell obviously indicates a global government will be needed to try to enforce such a system.

Also the fact that the receiving the "mark" will be an evil thing to do shows that it is not of God so it will be enforced by the evil global leader when it happens.

Revelation 14:9, 10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

(whether anyone wants to be technical and refer to the evil world leader as the beast instead of the Antichrist, the fact remains the stage is being set for such a fulfillemnt of prophecy)

Also note:

Revelation 17:12, 13 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Those working towards a global government have plans to divide the world into 10 regions (kingdoms) which will be under the one world government.

Google: "The Club of Rome"

(one of the one world globalist organizations)

(I read in their own writings long ago how they were planning on a 10 region global system)

They already have the "European Union" have plans set for a "North American Union, an "Asian Union, and other unions for a total of 10 that are planned.

(not sure how much more I will get on here to post this evening if any, but if not then perhaps tomorrow)

Austin 02-04-2011 03:40 PM
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The history channel has a unique way of trying to get people to believe that aliens either brought us here or are responsible for creating us. The over tone to a lot of their programs is misleading and based on theory and speculation. Not a place for believers to be..But of course that's the way I see it maybe someone else sees it differently.
I think the alien thing over the dome is a hoax.

Pressing-On 02-04-2011 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by John Atkinson (Post 1024857)
I disagree, I can't believe for a second God made this vast universe and left it empty.

But as for the video? I doubt it was aliens, well maybe the Goa'uld.
My husband said he suspects it was a spotlight shinning on the clouds. Especially, convincing when you see the light go up so quickly. Not even a helicopter could pull that off.

Socialite 02-04-2011 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1024928)
Somebody has been watching the History channel a lot!:toofunny
Beats some of these other news sites promoting descending fire balls :heeheehee

supertone 02-04-2011 04:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 1024860)
I love how the small little world that people live in is so quickly defined by what they "know" when we all know so little. (And I'm not even talking about the alien comment)

It makes me want to break out singing the old song "It's a small world after all" but with a brand new meaning.

It was the vast knowledge of mankind that led him to believe we lived on a flat earth and that rats came from old rags. And yet each generation thinks that we are the ones who finally know all parameters necessary to draw large and final conclusions.

Mankind, mankind... you never change.
lol, nice examples you've picked there to show the ignorance of but a few. I certainly don't profess to know everything. In-fact, it couldn't be further from the truth. The only rock I stand upon is the teachings of the Bible. I was just sharing my thoughts on the subject but am grateful I provided you the opportunity to make some rash, generalising statements that really added nothing to the conversation at all.

Have a great day.

CC1 02-04-2011 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by supertone (Post 1024850)
There's no such thing as aliens. What is the likelihood of mankind creating this kind of technology? If it were piloted, not high. The rate of accelaration would be too extreme for a human passenger. That leaves a few options. 1. It's a hoax or elaborate lighting system. 2. It was unpiloted human technology or 3. Spiritual occurence. It'll be interesting to see what sort of answers the boffins come up with.
How do you know there is no such thing as aliens? I think anyone who has visited a planeterium and has seen how small our galaxy is in the universe has no problem believing that there is other intelligent life in the universe.

Do I believe this is ET life in Jerusalem? 99.9% sure it is not but the possibility is there.

To me it is the height of arrogance to assume that God would create no other creatures in the universe but man and the other life on earth.

supertone 02-04-2011 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1025602)
How do you know there is no such thing as aliens? I think anyone who has visited a planeterium and has seen how small our galaxy is in the universe has no problem believing that there is other intelligent life in the universe.

Do I believe this is ET life in Jerusalem? 99.9% sure it is not but the possibility is there.

To me it is the height of arrogance to assume that God would create no other creatures in the universe but man and the other life on earth.
No arrogance here CC1. I know God created other creatures other than man and the other life on Earth. They're called Angels. I do however, find it difficult to relate the story of man's fall in the Garden of Eden and it's implications for creation if there were other civilisations on other planets dependent on it.

Praxeas 02-04-2011 07:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Atkinson (Post 1024857)
I disagree, I can't believe for a second God made this vast universe and left it empty.

But as for the video? I doubt it was aliens, well maybe the Goa'uld.
A death glider?

pelathais 02-04-2011 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1024928)
Somebody has been watching the History channel a lot!:toofunny
You are so right on, but that ends up being about the saddest comment yet, "The 'History' Channel" ...

Nothing historical about that thing any more. So very sad. Their whole schedule is consumed with shows espousing "speculative" topics like 'ancient astronauts.' There is no "History Channel" anymore. And, History International ends up being the land of the re-reruns.

pelathais 02-04-2011 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1025629)
A death glider?
The timing is off in the different videos. It makes it seem like different events were recorded. If some of the close in video shots were in slow-motion, then that might explain the discrepancies, but no info on camera speed or play back speed seems to be available.

Praxeas 02-04-2011 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1025554)
My husband said he suspects it was a spotlight shinning on the clouds. Especially, convincing when you see the light go up so quickly. Not even a helicopter could pull that off.
The only problem with that is, you would see the beam of the spot light in the clouds, the clouds would have to have been extremely low and there is no evidence there was fog...since we can see the city.

Praxeas 02-04-2011 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 1025637)
The timing is off in the different videos. It makes it seem like different events were recorded. If some of the close in video shots were in slow-motion, then that might explain the discrepancies, but no info on camera speed or play back speed seems to be available.
Some of the videos were edited to shorten them and they were from different angels and distances

Sam 02-04-2011 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by supertone (Post 1025613)
No arrogance here CC1. I know God created other creatures other than man and the other life on Earth. They're called Angels. I do however, find it difficult to relate the story of man's fall in the Garden of Eden and it's implications for creation if there were other civilisations on other planets dependent on it.
Many years ago at a convention in an Apostolic Church (PCAF) in Cincinnati I heard a minister put forth the suggestion that there may be life of some kind on other planets but only the creatures here on earth sinned and the story of the Shepherd leaving the 99 to find the 1 who was lost or strayed may be the story of God coming to earth in Christ to seek and to save that which was lost.

CC1 02-04-2011 09:03 PM
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Hard to tell what on video is real or manipulated these days. For an idea of what is done by green screen in Hollywood that you would never know (it is not only SciFi special effects shots like you would think) check out this demo reel from Stargate Studios;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k

The Mrs 02-04-2011 09:21 PM
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WOW! CC1! :uhoh I would have never imagined they did all that!!!

CC1 02-04-2011 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 1025673)
WOW! CC1! :uhoh I would have never imagined they did all that!!!
Yup. I have quite a bit experience with Hollywood and movie making but I was also quite surprised at many of the things they used green screen for.

RandyWayne 02-04-2011 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1025629)
A death glider?
Or Destiny.

RandyWayne 02-04-2011 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1025686)
Yup. I have quite a bit experience with Hollywood and movie making but I was also quite surprised at many of the things they used green screen for.
Have you caught any episodes of Paranormal Files: Fact or Faked? yet? I didn't have really high hopes for it after watching the first episode but it is actually pretty good.

RandyWayne 02-04-2011 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by supertone (Post 1025613)
No arrogance here CC1. I know God created other creatures other than man and the other life on Earth. They're called Angels. I do however, find it difficult to relate the story of man's fall in the Garden of Eden and it's implications for creation if there were other civilisations on other planets dependent on it.
And any civilization we may be looking at in another galaxy is probably long gone considering it would millions of years old(er) by now anyways.

supertone 02-05-2011 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1025667)
Many years ago at a convention in an Apostolic Church (PCAF) in Cincinnati I heard a minister put forth the suggestion that there may be life of some kind on other planets but only the creatures here on earth sinned and the story of the Shepherd leaving the 99 to find the 1 who was lost or strayed may be the story of God coming to earth in Christ to seek and to save that which was lost.
I've actually thought about things like this myself and it sounds reasonable except for one thing. If you read the Genesis story of creation, the Earth is set aside as being distinct from everything else. Earth was made on day one. All the stars, sun and moon on the fourth day. They were created for signs, and seasons and for days and years.

The only way I can interpret these scriptures is that it was all created for this planet. I'm not the greatest theologian and I'm sure that someone could find something that I've missed but I have used these sorts of scriptures to come to the conclusion that interstellar aliens don't line up with the Biblical account.

As for the previous post stating that the poster can't believe that God made this vast universe and left it empty, I honestly think that God wouldn't see the universe as vast at all. He spoke it into existence, he is greater than the sum of all creation to the infinite degree. His creation declares his glory to us and until I see otherwise scripturally, I can't believe that there are aliens living on other planets.

Sorry about the length of the post, just trying to state the reasons behind my original post. Cheers.

Austin 02-05-2011 07:41 AM
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Not to be argumentive about the creation of the earth, you might want to re-check the earths creation time frame. The words," In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Look that word begining up in the Hebrew definition, then notice that the earth is in darkness, void, and water is covering the face ot it,( probably ice at this point)
It appears there may have been a prexisting creation before us. No one can really say for sure. Many have theories about this, however I have no opinion at this time.

CC1 02-05-2011 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1025709)
And any civilization we may be looking at in another galaxy is probably long gone considering it would millions of years old(er) by now anyways.
Yup but soon as we get that whole warp drive thing figured out and can travel faster than light we will be able to find ones that still exist!

RandyWayne 02-05-2011 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1025876)
Yup but soon as we get that whole warp drive thing figured out and can travel faster than light we will be able to find ones that still exist!
And with a few zero point modules powering these ships it would be mere days between galaxies -at least the close ones.

supertone 02-05-2011 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Austin (Post 1025786)
Not to be argumentive about the creation of the earth, you might want to re-check the earths creation time frame. The words," In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Look that word begining up in the Hebrew definition, then notice that the earth is in darkness, void, and water is covering the face ot it,( probably ice at this point)
It appears there may have been a prexisting creation before us. No one can really say for sure. Many have theories about this, however I have no opinion at this time.
I've had a good look into gap theory and it has its merits. I have also listened to sermons with hebraic scholars that have disagreed with the undertones of meaning of the words in these passages which hasn't helped me out too much. I haven't the first idea regarding the hebrew language.

I know that there are other theories out there but will freely admit that I haven't chased those white rabbits down their respective holes. In the fullness of time I guess we'll know for sure... let's make the most of it until then.:thumbsup

Praxeas 02-05-2011 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1025709)
And any civilization we may be looking at in another galaxy is probably long gone considering it would millions of years old(er) by now anyways.
Or they have moved on to a higher plane of existence and remain aloof and uninvolved in the affairs of man, except for a few here and there


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