Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

:girlnails

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

And then again, there is no such thing as salvation by works either.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

No there is no salvation by works, but there are works AFTER salvation.

Show me your faith without your works and I will show you

My faith by my works...

Or as it says in the NIV James 2:18

But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Your words betray your last posting. Your salvation is by works, not works following salvation. So many live without grace.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Works don't save anybody.

Disobedience will ........ anybody.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I believe that salvation is a work of God, that as we are drawn by the Father, we come to repentance of sins, faith in Christ alone for forgiveness of sin, and security is the justification of faith in Christ alone. As a believer, we will sin, seeing how we are still in mortal flesh. But, the evidence of our conversion is a perseverence in the faith, that those who do sin will have the convicting power of the Spirit to draw them to repentance. If the conviction is there, it is a sign of God working in the life of a believer. If not, then that is a sign of the believer not being in the hand of God, and their conversion was more than likely false, and just a convincing work of the flesh.

To answer your question in specifics, yes, I do believe in eternal security, but not as some teach it. I believe the same Spirit which regenerates the believer also keeps the believer, and conforms the believer's walk in Christ. Sin will arise, but the Spirit is at work in convicting of sin.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Funny thread.

Let's just pick the mustache... This is indicative of the absence of salvation???

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Your works (fruit) will either affirm or deny that you know God.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Tit 1:16

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

You misinterpret the Pauline epistles, especially when it comes to keeping standards for salvation. Your interpretation is faulty. So, while you condemn a soul to Hell for wearing women's pants, cutting hair, wearing jewelry, there are no scriptures in the Bible which explicitly forbid such a thing.

Legalism always focuses on how they can save and keep themselves saved. Christianity focuses on Christ's total, complete, finished, and lasting work in salvation.

Let me state this as well. Jesus name baptism does not save. Taking baptism is a sign of salvation, not to be saved. Man has never had that much power, and never will have that kind of power to save themselves. I believe Jesus name baptism is a commandment to the believer, but I also believe that this is not a salvation issue. Some read Matthew 28:19 and see obedience to those words. Does this mean they are not saved? And, according to classic Oneness theology, no one was saved prior to 1913, so what of those prior to our precious movement's beginning?

Please, spare your legalism, and cease with your own good works. Our works are as filthy rags if we use them as a mean to pry the door to heaven open. Scripture even declares that our righteousness is as a filthy menstrual cloth. So, regardless of how you are baptized or whether you speak in tongues, if you depend upon what you do to get into Heaven, instead of focusing upon the finished work of christ, your salvation is fake.

Works cannot save, period. It is only by grace we are saved through faith. It is a gift from God. It is not of works. When you stand before the throne and they ask why you should be in Heaven, and you testify of anything except your faith only in the finished work of Christ, your inability to save yourself, and the fact that you have repented of your sins and place faith alone in Christ for your salvation, my friend, hell will open her mouth. It will not be because you obeyed Acts 2:38, but it will be that you took Acts 2:38, attributed your own obedience and righteousness in your ability to obey, and thentrusted in that instead of Christ.

I said it once, and I'll say it again, that baptism should be dones by a believer in the name of Jesus Christ as a believer, not to become a believer.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Uuhhh...I'm thinking he DID fill in the blanks...and AFF's auto-corrector replaced it with the dots. It was obviously a word we don't allow to be posted here. :thumbsup

Guess you don't know AFF as well as you thought, eh? :girlnails

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

That'll work! :thumbsup

You can BE damned...just don't cuss. :heeheehee

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

:shockamoo

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Center justified... red... text ... hard... to ....read on my phone.

Finally managed to read it. So not worth it. :happydance

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Oh my goodness! That was pitiful! :toofunny

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

I think it's sad that we can LOOK at someone and judge if they are saved or not.....jmo! Personally, I would rather leave that up to God....

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Smart move!

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Wow....Im just..........WOW....I got a buddy that used to ride with satans tramps *biker gang* Long story short he has the Holy Ghost and been baptised in Jesus name...the man is living a holy and righteous life...but just looking at him from a Pentecostal background you see the tats and a beard...you're thinking aint no way....but yet when he starts to talk...and even preach under the annointing of the HolyGhost you know he has the goods.Doesnt matter who the man runs into give him a minute and youre gonna hear that you need the HolyGhost and that you need to be baptised in Jesus' name and you may even get "GASP" prayed for in public. You cant go judging people like that.There are people in pants with beards and with ear rings that are FAR more righteous and holy in spirit and desire then some that wear their sleeves down to their knuckles and skirts down to their toes.

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

But doesn't the bible SAY that you will know them by their apostolic identity?

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I forget... your mind is trapped in a self-righteous works based mentality which thinks of yourself you can earn you way to Heaven. You read what you want into what someone says. I never said that a Christian refuses baptism, but said that baptism was for the believer.

Baptism is a work that you do to be saved. baptism according to scripture is a work done by the believer because he is saved. Please, whomever you are, please read what I am saying more clearly.

Baptism is obedience, not salvational. Please read things right.

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

If that is the case, no one was saved prior to 1913.

BTW, Go Steelers!

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I did fill in the blank, and I guess a friendly admin edited it.

I wasn't aware that the word "........" used in the Biblical context was considered inappropriate.

My bad.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I think that's just an auto-setting on the board, not something an Admin edited. It's set to *** out certain words automatically.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I see.

Thanks for the correction.

Sorry.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I would like for rrford and/or Coonskinner to comment on this, if they feel inclined. Thanks!

Oops, I messed up this post! Cindy!!!

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Tell us how many * it had so we can figure it out!!!!! :toofunny

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

It is works if it is used to bring salvation. We are justified through faith. We are saved by grace through faith. Salvation is a gift from God. A gift is neither earned or merited. Works are means by which one merits grace. That is what many so-called three step proponents believe.

Works which bring about salvation is unbiblical. Works because of salvation is biblical.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Some might use the *&^$ method as well. :lol

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

Man, I will NEVER figure it out!!! :tissue :toofunny

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

Let me make sure I get this right. The way to tell that someone is saved is by looking at their outward appearance? That has to be it, because we aren't God, so we can't see their heart. Wait, that can't be right. Because........................................... ..............
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7 KJV

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

I have never known you to have to PO, in the short time I have been back here. :D

Re: Almost saved- so near and yet so far
 

No, no, no... don't quote that scripture... it just makes them angrier! :spit

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

So, what is it called when I walk across the room and step into the baptistery? That looks like, to me, that I am showing my faith by my works.

Re: Almost saved- so near at yet so far
 

:toofunny :toofunny

Hey, that wasn't funny!!! :smack