I Don't Like The Terms Con and Lib!
 

I've seen this a lot the last few days, people talking about the Cons posting and about the Libs that have been here.

Enough!!

It's not about whether a person is a Conservative or a Liberal. It's about whether they're saved or unsaved, it's about whether they're going to heaven or going to hell!

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Without holiness no man shall see the Lord! If you're not born again of the water and of the Spirit, you won't see the Kingdom of heaven! Stop making this about labels! It's all about whether we're going to obey God's Word or just explain it away!

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Oh wow. Beautiful.

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I don't like the terms "oneness" and "trinity" but we continue to use them to pigeon hole Christians.

I don't like the terms "one-stepper" and "three-stepper" but we continue to use them to label Christians.

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You can save your sarcasm, youre just the kind of person I'm talking about. You shouldn't be worried about your label, you should be worried about your eternity.

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You are a real doosie there, dude.

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I don't quite agree with you. There aren't any Christians who are trinitarians, and there aren't any Christians who haven't obeyed Acts 2:38, brother.

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Just saying it like it is.

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Well, you are correct about the problematic usage of the labels "liberal" and "conservative" here. You, for example, are no "conservative."

A "conservative" treatment of both the Gospel and other believers would never involve the radical stance that you are projecting.

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So... what you are suggesting is that rather than the terms con & lib we need to use saved & unsaved?

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I have absolutely zero concern over whether or not I'm considered a conservative. That means nothing to me. My only concern is what God calls me. Being in truth is a radical thing so I don't mind being considered a radical.

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AMEN and AMEN! pelathais. :thumbsup

Here's what some folks make me think of!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSC1GhGdsgg

Been Thinkin

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That's correct. Why dance around the truth? Those who believe the fulness of the Acts 2:38 message, who have obeyed it's message, those who believe in and live a separated life, who have no fellowship with the world, are saved. Those who preach another Jesus, II Corinthians 11:4, are unsaved.

Let's shed light on what's really happening.

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Well, in an absolute sense you our correct, but you apparently don't have a problem proclaiming someone else lost for showing a bit of elbow -or, heaven forbid, a bit of something sparkly in their ears.

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Wow, this doesn't happen often, but while considering how to respond, I can't think of anything to say to this!:lol

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Ya, I am 90% sure it is another poster with a fake screen name.

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I have no problem proclaiming what the bible proclaims. It's funny, isn't it, that we proclaim Jonathan Edwards a hero for Sinners In The Hands of an Angry God, but in today's fuzzy-feel-good Christian world, when a man proclaims the truth, he's called names and made fun of. It's just a sign of where we are.

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This is true.

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Old Paths II where is Old Paths I?

BT

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You, in a speechless condition, would be one of the finest things that has happened to this forum in a while.

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Thank you, Bro. Epley. Interesting, isn't it, that when someone has the nerve here to say this that it's called "Radical", or that I must be a fake. I bristle every time I hear the term "Trinitarian Christian."

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I hope your right.

This is a deja vu moment here.

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I'm waiting for the character who calls himself "REALoldPaths". He will talk in old English speak while going on and on between the difference between European and African swallows as well as the weights of wood versus a duck and how it relates to witches.......

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:lol

I've gotta give you a high-five on that one. That's actually pretty funny.:highfive

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fake? maybe but I know Christians who really believe and preach that a person cannot be a real Christian if he/she is "trinitarian" and if he/she has not completed all the steps/experiences of Acts 2:38. Some of them are friends of mine on Facebook.

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I wasn't trying to be funny, just telling the truth. In my opinion, you've had your way on this forum for way too long.

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Okay. Here's a cross-post of mine from another thread:

"Jesus saves.

Isaiah 53:11; Hosea 14:2; Matthew 20:28; Acts 13:39; Romans 3:22-24, Romans 4:24-25, Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9, Romans 5:18-19; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:4, Galatians 3:13; 1 Timothy 2:6; Titus 2:14, Titus 3:5; Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 2:17, Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 2:24, 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 2:2, 1 John 3:5; 1 John 4:10; Revelation 1:5.

Our hypothetical "repentant sinner" isn't "saved" "because he repented". He isn't in a "state of awareness awaiting further cleansing in baptism which will ultimately save him."

Our hypothetical "repentant sinner" is "saved" only because the Savior has saved him. That is the purpose of a Savior; salvation."



That's "what's happening." Jesus saves us. It is His mission and purpose. To pretend that a 100 year old "tradition" takes the place of the everlasting Savior is unreasonable. To pretend that your own tradition is somehow more paramount in the Kingdom than the Savior Himself takes quite an imagination.

Name for us, just one of these "Christians" (Acts 2:38 practitioners as you define them) who "believed the fulness of the Acts 2:38 message" and lived between the years 225 A.D. until 1900 A.D.

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Oooo, that's true!! I forgot about that! I've been beaten up by one particular friend of yours! He's done the beat-down on me twice! Then he friended me, I accepted it, then thought better when he did it to me again, and took him off because I was afraid he was gonna start posting angry stuff on my page. But then he kept sending me friends requests. Do you know if he's here on the forum?

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Someone said, "If everyone in this church was just like me what kind of church would this church be!"

Can you imagine having a church full of folks with the kind of acidic, abrasive attitude manifested by Old Paths II. I know he won't mind me saying something about his attitude because he's proud of it. But where does Charity come into the picture. And I feel certain he's not treating others as he would want to be treated because each time someone treats him the way he comes across he gets very defensive.

Oh well, OldPathsII is just OldPaths II. What more can you say?

Been Thinkin

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It's really amazing the lengths some go to in order to justify their disobedience to the clear instructions of scripture! You can locate all the verses you like, but you still can't avoid the very clear and simple instructions of John 3, Acts 2, Acts 10, Acts 19. There is no trinitarian pathway to God. Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."

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Charity? What kind of charity is it to tell a man that's lost and dying and going to hell that he's ok? It's like a paramedic arriving at a car wreck and telling the man trapped in the car, bleeding to death, that he's just fine and not to worry about it. Wouldn't it be better to rescue him and save his life? Some of you folks here have interesting ideas about charity and kindness, and love. Brother, the most loving thing I could ever do for you is to tell you to obey the gospel or face a certain eternity of wrath.

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If you want to promote G.T. Haywood's "Water & Spirit" doctrine as being "the only way to be saved" you need to answer my challenge in the previous post:

"Name for us, just one of these "Christians" (Acts 2:38 practitioners as you define them) who "believed the fulness of the Acts 2:38 message" and lived between the years 225 A.D. until 1900 A.D."

Bro. Hayward himself said that he had received this by "revelation" and that no one before his time had ever taught his doctrine.

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Well, I was thinking of several of my Facebook friends.
I remember when LG got pretty strong with some things. He's still a friend of mine but is not very active. I've heard that he is quite ill.

Another one was JS. I preached for him in August. I made sure he knew what I believed before I did and he was OK with it. Even mentioned me coming back. Then he later unfriended me for some of the stuff I said on Facebook. Recently we've re-friended. Maybe I'll get to preach for him again. When we re-friended I told him that if he disagrees with what I say on Facebook he should go ahead and say so and it won't offend me. Actually, he has the closest church (76 miles away) that I know of in the organization I'm ordained with and he's also a Bishop in that organization. I expect to go visit him again when the weather gets better.

As far as I know, neither of those 2 are on this forum.

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Why do I need to do that and if I can't, what does that prove? Just because history hasn't recorded it doesn't mean they weren't there. Just ask the Chinese government how many Christians are in China. You think they'll tell you the truth?

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Old Paths, don't you think the woman that was caught in the very act of adultery, was as you would say, "on her way to hell!"

Why didn't Jesus say to her, "Why you hell bound hussy, don't take up my time, don't you know your going to hell!"

No, Jesus showed the greatest charity and it wouldn't hurt you to "be Christ like" in your attitudes toward sinners as well!

In my understanding, a Christian is simply someone that is Christ like and I don't find your ranting and raving "Christ like!"

Been Thinkin

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Predictably, you left out the key point that Jesus made. He said, "Go and sin no more!" A lot of our modern Pentecostal culture has mastered that art of "netiehr do I condemn thee", but we're greatly lacking in, "Go and sin no more." That's the missing part in today's church!

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Why don't we ask Chinese Christians... ah! But you don't believe that the Chinese Christians are really saved, do you? I have family in China preaching and testifying to the message that is summed up in the AFF's forum rules. They fellowship with a large variety of fellow believers, baptize many people in Jesus' name and haven't ever been tempted to resort to the judgmental attitudes that you've displayed.

What gets me is that YOUR 'gospel' wasn't able to save anybody for 1,700 of the 2,000 years of the Church Age. No one. Not one person. Nobody. zilch.

Yet, MY Savior has never stopped saving since the foundation of the world.

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Simple, yet beautiful and profound song.

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Oh, okay I didn't finished the remark as you would typically make it. "You sorry, sinning, adulterating, fornicating hussy, you're going to hell straight as an arrow if you don't stop that sinning. Now get out of here and don't sin no more! You hear me you Jazebel."

OldPathsII you really ought to take a look at yourself. That's just how you come across to me. And I believe I'm right in saying that was not the way Jesus manifested himself. To the best of my recollection He might have said it like this, "Where is OldPathsII who condemned you so much. If he is without sin let him throw the first rock. Neither do I condemn thee, and yes, "go and sin no more!"

Would your approach and attitude stand up in a court as being "non-condemning"? I don't think so!

God bless you Old man!

Been Thinkin