Life begins at conception...
 

I maintain that there are planned killings of unborn children (aka abortion)
That there are unplanned killings of unborn children (aka miscarriages)
That there are negligences in caring for unborn children

So I think that these unborn children need a voice and that all crimes against them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed by law (and if no current law covers these things then we should make laws our laws for the unborn with just as strict of penalties that we have in dealing with the born.) and I can declare all this because I believe life begins at conception!

So who is with me in giving those women that don't plan to kill their unborn children but do anyways (aka miscarry) 10-25 years in prison?

I hope you like my satire ;)

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I'm with you 100% on that one. It's a horrible thing for someone to discard a life of an unborn child without any human sensitivity when there are so many lovely people who would give their right arm to have one.

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maybe you should read my post again?

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The satire may not have registered. :)

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Maybe I missed read the quote/ Don't plan to kill their unborn but do it anyway. I seen that as; Not at first wanting to, but then later chosen to? So what is it? accidental or by choice?

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I'm all for prosecuting the accidental killings and negligent killings and the miscarriages that end the lives of an unborn.

(In saitire again)

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OH! Sorry I don't have a stand on that one.

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Here in Ohio, every so often someone is prosecuted for causing the death of an unborn child. Since there is so long a period between when a person is charged for a crime and the actual trial, I don't remember how any of these cases finished.

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Sam,
Not to sidetrack this thread, but that sure is a cute little fella
in your avatar picture frame! Grandson? Great-grandson?

Falla39

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no, just a picture I got off the internet.

I like to change avatars every so often.

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Sam, I don't know if you're as innocent as that little fellow looks! Oh, no one can prove otherwise so why don't we just go with that presumption. :highfive

Been Thinkin

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Are you saying that you believe that a woman that has a miscarriage should be prosecuted?

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No, he's being satirical.

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I don't really follow your satire here, frogger. The two "events" that you introduce to us are not both "killings."

When my grandmother died of kidney failure many years ago no one could be said to have "killed" her. Nor did anyone kill my grandfather when he died of complications from a lung infection in his eighties. They simply died due to natural causes.

Succumbing to disease and advanced age is not the same as "Being Killed" - no matter what 'motivation' or "planning" we might hypothetically want to apply after the fact.

The same with a miscarriage. Often the exact causes of a miscarriage are never fully understood. But we can understand that the unfortunate mother-to-be who has suffered a miscarriage did not in any fashion "kill" the unborn child.

An abortion on the other hand is different. Here there is a deliberate decision and decisive and fatal action is taken. What we are left to question is the motivation behind these actions. Was it done to save the life of the mother that she might bear another child (as in the case of an ectopic pregnancy)? Or, was it done for some frivolous reason?

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You bring out a good point pel. Not all women that miscarry do things that cause them to miscarry. I agree with that. However, sometimes women aren't aware they are pregnant and may do some things that do increase their chances of miscarrying. Now, some might argue that showing an increase in chance doesn't prove that whatever the woman did caused her to miscarry. I agree it doesn't. However, take the example of tobacco companies whose products only offer an increased chance for lung cancer (albeit a very large increased chance). They are liable even though it cannot be proven that their product actually caused lung cancer in any specific case (maybe the person was just one of the 1% that gets lung cancer without ever smoking). Therefore, I think it's easy to see how a woman can be liable even if it can only be proven that her actions increased the chances of a miscarriage.

So the last question that needs answered is whether a reasonable woman would have had the foresight to know her actions could harm an unborn child. Well, in the best case the woman would have used contraception. However, Contraception does have a failure rate. Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that a woman who "does it" with contraception knows she still has a chance of being pregnant and because of this the death of the unborn human due to any actions that increase the chances of miscarriage should have been forseeable.

I think I've offered enough evidence to continue with my call for the prosecution of any such negligent women whose actions increase the chance of miscarriage and then result in the death of an unborn human...

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:thumbsup I apologize if this thread was hurtful. It wasn't intended to be. It was and still is intended to explore the side effects of defining life as beginning at conception because I think the side effects are something that pro-lifers have overlooked.