Do You Believe in Women Pastors?
 

:lol

No seriously... many of you have been fine with women preachers, arguing with RDP over the 2 scriptures he cites. Curious if your viewpoint changes when it comes to women as pastoring elders. If so, what do you base that on?

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Come on... step right up! The "Women Preachers" thread is one of the longest going threads, with the most views and replies. Don't be shy on this one :)

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Visit my booth! :foottap

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:chirp

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I not only believe in women pastors,

I've actually seen some.

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That's why I clarified in my opening post,

"Do you understand women pastoring elders" to be consistent with the biblical model and with biblical teaching?

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Not my preference, for sure. Not 100% opposed, but it would have to be special circumstances and I'd have to be personally convinced that God was in it before I would submit myself to a woman pastor. I think God has equipped men to be leaders in the church and women to be leaders in the home. Sometimes there's some crossover, but I believe that's the ideal reflected in scripture.

Pastoring is an authoritative position, and requires some stereotypical masculine traits to be successful. In addition to that, pastoring comes with requirements of your schedule and lifestyle that might detract from a woman fulfilling her obligations to her husband, children and home. Far better for a woman to use excess time for good works in the community, IMO.

Other than that, I just don't like a woman boss. :D It rubs me the wrong way. I can't imagine men responding much better in most cases. To that end, it's impractical.

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Maybe you should have an admin edit the poll title to this or something along those lines...

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Interesting.

What scriptures support this ideal?

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It's a little lengthy. But it should be assumed that this is what I have in mind, right? :)

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Really curious of those who voted YES on Women Preacher's but NO or NOT SURE on Women Pastor's. I want to know WHY, and if you believe there is scriptural support. If so, what scriptures do you appeal to?

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its like asking me if i believe in bananas.

they exist. how can i not believe?

do i want to eat bananas however is another question. I will say that every 6 months I try bananas to see if I have come to like them.

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However, let me say this. If I lived in a place where the only option was a church pastored by a woman, I would attend with faithfulness as the other options would be seperation from the body of Christ.

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Off the top of my head:

Historically, (speaking of stories recording in scripture), God has chosen more men than women to be leaders, by a landslide. There are few exceptions, which is what leads me to believe that God can and does make exceptions. In other words, He has set precedents, which I might interpret as reflective of His preferences. Secondly, Paul points out that women who are married are concerned about the "things of the world" and how they may please their husbands. He also says that they should be keepers at home and that a woman's adornment should be "good works." (becoming to a woman professing godliness)

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed

I Corinthians 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

I Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
I Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

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Also, in Proverbs 31, I see a woman who is concerned with:

1. Her relationship with God
2. Her husband and children
3. Her household
4. Her community

I see little or no reference to her being involved in positions of authority or leadership (political, spiritual or otherwise), or even in any way connected with ministry, such as the priesthood or serving in the temple in any capacity. Yet, despite that lack of involvement, she is praised as virtuous and her value is greater than precious jewels.

This is an interesting quote from a Torah website:

"Because a Jewish woman is so busy building a Jewish home, she is exempt from synagogue services. If a woman is unmarried, childless, or has children old enough to attend synagogue themselves, she most likely does attend synagogue. But if she has young children, her staying home and taking care of them is a far more pressing mitzvah. This is a kindness from Hashem, both to women and to children. Children have a right to their mothers' presence and attention, and when they are small, they demand so much of it that obligating women to arrive for prayer services on time would only add stress to their lives. For a more detailed explanation about women's exemption from certain mitzvohs, read my article On Equality."

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Like I told the other wise guy (Sam), "Do you understand women as pastoring elders to be biblically consistent?"

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Why would it never be your first choice?

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Within both of those letters, Paul says women should be silent and not speak. Is this a biblical mandate?

What of a single woman? They don't have a husband to care for. Can't a woman care for her husband and shepherd?

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Cultural attitudes about women intertwined in this?

Do you believe a woman can be biblically consistent, and be a pastor? In other words, are women prohibited from being a pastor?

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BTW, I purposefully mirrored the title of this thread to the women preachers thread.

Admin could you correct the poll question for me?

"Do you accept women as pastoring elders to be biblically consistent?"

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It's too long--be more concise and I'll edit it for you.

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MB, I was referring to the title on the poll -- sorry :)

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Oohhhhhh...LOL!!!! Sorry. :D

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In my opinion, a woman can do or be anything in the Kingdom that a man can do or be.

Now, obviously in the physical world, a woman could not be a sperm donor. A man could not be a wet nurse or a surrogate mother or an egg donor.

When Joel prophesied about the coming age (the age in which we are now living) he said that God's Spirit would be poured out on all flesh and upon servants and handmaidens and that both sons and daughters would prophesy. I think he was speaking of this New Covenant or Kingdom Age which faded out with John the Baptist and which started when John loosed Jesus into the ministry. We are in a different age than the Old Testament with a priesthood. Every believer (male and female) is a priest with direct access to God. We are all children of the High Priest (Jesus) and we serve together equally and without gender distinction.

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i didnt use the word never. im not trying to be consistant.

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This set of Bible studies written by an apostolic brother shows support for both women preachers and pastors:

http://www.1lord1faith.org/wm/Woman/Woman.htm

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Can both every believe be a priest unto God, and operate even in spiritual gifts and also be part of a social order established in the creation order?

Do you believe man is the "head of household" or is that only a cultural consideration? Is there spiritual principle to men taking the lead in the home? Would that also not apply to the "family" of God?

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I doubt if I was God's first choice...however because He chose I will be faithful...I am a missionary whatever that may mean to you...
My pastor is a man...this week guess I am the pastor or something around here as Brother Alvear is traveling...will be glad when he gets home...My hand is blistered from breaking bricks my foot has a blister from I guess a bite of something that got in my shoe while clearing and cleaning land for our youth camp...
Many places in our world women are treading into the darkness of Satan's domain...I bless them and pray for them.
While some sit in air conditioned buildings...many women as well as men are just trying to make Jesus known...many people have no idea about American church structure...they meet in houses...and where ever...their lives are in danger...

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guess if a man can be a part of the bride a woman can be part of the royal priesthood...

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NOW for my personal opinion...God give us men...

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Bless your heart, Sis. Alvear, but this post or any other (I don't believe) are an indictment on your personal ministry.

It's far easier and productive to talk about the topic aside from it being personal.

I admire and honor your dedication and work for God overseas.

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Why? Ar they really needed?

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yes, they are really needed and I have great respect for the men of God in my life. I have no trouble looking up to male leadership...some of the leadership in the work here are men that I personally won to the Lord many years ago...I have no problem respecting their call or authority.

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I guess I was wondering if you felt there should be primarily male leadership. If you did, I'd be curious about why you feel that way.

I assume, from your posts over time, you don't have problems with pastors because they are men.

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I don't see how a woman can a be a husband of one wife which is a qualification for a bishop.

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Thanks for chiming in, Scott!

That word "bishop" is really another word that means "overseer" which can definitely include elder, pastor, etc.

Combining Titus 3 and 1 Timothy, here's a list of requirements:

Here is a list I made that combines the two lists in Timothy and Titus:

* Be above reproach (Titus & Timothy)

* Husband of one wife (Titus & Timothy)

* Self-Controlled (Titus & Timothy)

* Hospitable (Titus & Timothy)

* Not a drunkard (Titus & Timothy)

* Not violent (Titus)

* Not violent but gentle (Timothy)

* Sober-minded (Timothy)

* Upright (Titus)

* Respectable (Timothy)

* Able to teach (Timothy)

* Not quarrelsome (Timothy)

* Not greedy for gain (Titus)

* Not a lover of money (Timothy)

* His children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination (Titus)

* Manages his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive (Timothy)

* Not a recent convert (Timothy)

* Must be well thought of by outsiders (Timothy)

* Not arrogant (Titus)

* Not quick tempered (Titus)

* A lover of good (Titus)

* Holy (Titus)

* Disciplined (Titus)

* Holds firm to the trustworthy word (Titus)

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You never find a woman listed in the oversight positions in the bible.I do see Phobe called a servant in Romans,but the scriptures don't say too much about what she was.

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Any chance it is a command against re-marriage or a statement against a plural marriage (three's a crowd)?

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The Greek word used by Paul for Phoebe in Romans 16:1 is diakonon a form of diakonos (Strongs no. 1249) which is translated as:

servant, Matthew 20:26; 22:13; 23:11, Mark 9:35, John 2:5 , 9; 12:26, Romans 16:1; Colossians 1:7

minister Mark 10:43, Romans 13:4; 15:8, 1 Cor 3:5, 2 Cor. 3:6; 6:4; 11:15, 23; Gal 2:17, Ephesians 3:7; 6:21; Colossians 1:23, 25; 4:7, 1 Thess 3:2, 1 Timothy 4:6

deacon Philippians 1:1; 1 Tim 38, 12