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This will be pretty big news in the Christian world... and the book isn't even out yet.

Crakjak may have found a modern big name to promote his false teaching :)

But really... we have no idea, since the book isn't out yet.

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Piper weighs in on his Twitter/FB feed with a simple "Farewell, Rob Bell."

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** Crickets **

Hahahahaha :lol

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Everybody must be on the Artificial Intelligence Forum tonight. :heeheehee

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Ha... this topic has blew up the social networking sites today. Rebukes publicly by John Piper, Gospel Coalition and Driscoll.

Makes me actually feel sorry for Crakjak. As much as I think Universalism is not biblically accurate, I do not believe how one views final states a matter of Gospel. At least I don't think so. Many are ignorantly grouping Unitarianism and Universalism together (probably because they both believe that the end of man either way is the same) -- but Unitarianism does not preach Christ exclusively.

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Admin: Can you make the title: Slippery Slope: Rob Bell now a Universalist?

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Who is Rob Bell?

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One of the most gifted writers and communicators of our generation... and just so happens to be one of the front runners that took criticism during to the so-called Emerging Church nonsense. Not a theological heavyweight, but someone who communicates the Message creatively, and in a way that makes people think.

In your view, a wretched apostate headed for a very hot hell :)

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For once, we have a actual test case proving the slipperly slope that all the conservatives believed about the emergent group.

Sad, I actually like Rob and some of his stuff. The remedy, You can't go wrong with the main and plain.

I think Guys like Bell go to an extreme representing the Priestly side of ministry (human towards God) while negating the Prophetic (God's word towards man).

I hope that God has a wide mercy, but I can only reflect what God says in His Word.

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I stopped reading the article when the author drew conclusions while admitting he hasn't read the entire book. But I did watch the video and he didn't say anything that didn't make sense. I would be lying if I said I haven't struggled with the idea that God created mankind only to send nearly all of them, percentage-wise, to hell.

So in this video, he doesn't mess me up any, really. Is it "Universalism" to speculate about the eternity of the billions around the world who do not believe in Jesus as God? How many in this world have "trusted Christ" as traditional Christian faith calls for? If we exclude Catholics, the number gets pretty small compared to the number that populate the earth.

Is it really God's plan to send, maybe, 80+% of the earth to hell? I struggle with that.

So Bell asks some important questions in this clip and I think they deserve, at least, some introspection and not just quick condemnation from the conservative theology crowd who haven't yet read the book.

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I hope that God saves everyone, but I only know what I see in scripture.

By the way the author read a number of the chapters, just not the entire book.

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Yes, I understand the author read a number of the chapters. But he didn't read the whole book and it just seems to be a responsible thing to do before declaring Rob Bell a universalist on the world wide web. What if Bell brings his point to a conclusion in the final chapter and give thoughts that are in line with orthodox Christian faith? Granted, he probably doesn't, but what if?

If we are going to condemn Bell for his possible beliefs here, shouldn't we also condemn all the proponents of the "Light Doctrine", which include a lot of theologians and spiritual leaders of great notoriety, including Billy Graham.

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At least with the Light Doctrine there is the requirement of faith in Jesus for Salvation.

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I thought he just wanted to talk to himself.

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Don't you go and worry about Crakjak. He's my brother and he's just fine! :thumbsup

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:spit

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Yeah. Just imagine how much God struggles with it (Ezek 33:11).

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http://being-the-body.blogspot.com/2...love-wins.html

http://networkedblogs.com/eNY8W

The conclusion was formed based on a trailer, not a read of the book.

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Then evidently, I don't understand the "Light Doctrine", which is entirely possible because I'd never heard of it until a few months ago...I'm not well-informed with that stuff.

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ART Bell in disguise?

Just doing my part to let Socialite know that his/her thread is not unnoticed.

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:thumbsup

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I thought "light doctrine" was taught by Clyde Haney at WABC and continued on through his son and the new school name.

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Ok, evidently, I don't understand the "Light Doctrine." Not surprised. I study the bible, hallelujah, not all this false doctrine history!:D

Showing my ignorance here, but what is the belief that those in the world who are "following the light they see" will be saved? I've heard Billy Graham espouse it and quite a few others.

Just wondering why there's no outcry about Graham? Is it because Bell is a "Seeker-Emergent" guy? Everyone just LOVES to bash these guys.

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NOW, never heard of that from Graham, Haney or others outside of them believing in Jesus for salvation. I always heard it used as a way to explain how some would "make it" without speaking in tongues, and being water baptized in Jesus Name -- and complying with all "holiness rules."

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I just read up a little on the Light Doctrine and it looks like I didn't know what I was talking about. First time that's ever happened!:bliss

So I don't see any big deal about the Light Doctrine, myself. If it's only the teaching that people before Azuza or Topeka, or whatever, were saved by faith in Christ, well dang....I think that people with faith in Christ in 2011 are saved so I don't know what the big deal is there.

So some of these 3-steppers actually believe that everyone before Azuza-Topeka was lost for, like, 1900 years???? Yikes. That's a pretty mean God they're following!

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Well, call me Scott, but here's a clip of Graham espousing this:










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE

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Is that a real clip? The voices don't match the picture -- but sure sounds like them. In that case, good point... what of the Evangelical world's response?

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It's real...there is just enough critique of it out there to know and this is...was....kind of a hobbyhorse for Schuller, but for the most part, silence. You would think the Piper's and Hanagraaf's of this world would come out of the woodwork to thrash him, but really, nothing. Kinda strange.

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That right...and many others too.

Something had to be introduced to explain how it is that all of those oneness preachers who left the Trinity doctrine could still call them "brother" after the division. Few of the early Oneness pioneers considered their former state as a trinitarian as that of being lost. They simply explained it by saying that they walked in the light.

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So here's the deal, Socialite, I'm not willing to say definitively, absolutely, for certain, with no doubt, that all those around the world who have no knowledge of Christianity, the cross, of Jesus Christ, are absolutely going to hell. Does that make me a wishy-washy Rob Bell Universalist? I'm sure Apprehended would say, "Yes". I preach Jesus, Him crucified, of faith in Him that results in eternal life....but I can't put Ghandi in hell. He just might be there. But I'm willing to consider that he might not be.

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So where are you at with this, App? (If you don't have me on "block":))

Do you believe the 3-step new birth message was out there for those 1900 or so years, or do you believe it was silent and people with faith in Christ were saved?

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No sir, you are not blocked. Hope you are having good luck with those two boards alone. :lol

While I could never be another man's judge I have no option but to preach the only saving message which light has shone upon my pathway. That is not to say that I have all the light there is to have. To intimate such a thing would be unspeakably foolish. I have more light today by means of the Word of God. The more of God's Word that enters into me, it carries the light when divine wisdom sets in order that light. "The entrance of thy Word giveth light." The wisdom of this world, even (worldly) theological wisdom is foolishness to God.

Yet, I seek to walk in the light as He is in the light. Thus, the continued washing of the blood of Jesus continually cleanses me from all sin. A failure to walk in the light is a failure in following Jesus in regeneration and the imperative need of the renewing of the mind.

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just [is] as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

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Possibly one of the Universalists shades... but probably more like many humans who ponder these deep and reflective things.

We don't have to "put Ghandi in hell" to proclaim Jesus as the only Way. Honestly, though I think there's much damage Universalism does to watering down the consistency of God's Story and his Rescue through Christ, I don't believe it's a Gospel issue, or a heresy that is damnable. Rob Bell, if indeed a Universalist (read that link I posted because I don't think that's the case), is still pointing people to the Cross, to Jesus for salvation and is declaring Him as their "way out." How one views our final states, to me, is not absolute necessity. Though, I'd definitely contend that the idea is false, heresy and not the complete picture of God's character.

IOW, you're still my brother... and the fact is, I have those same ponderings and questions sometimes :)

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Wow, we might actually high-five one another on this one. Very well said, in my little opinion. I don't know if I would call it "Luck" but yes, I'm having great success with those two boards alone! ;)