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We've all heard that Preachers forums need to be closed to the public. But I've never seen anything in the bible that makes "the ministry" a secretive club. I've never seen anything that draws this great secretive divide between those that claim to be "preachers" and those that don't make that claim.

But perhaps there is a good reason for this. I can't think of any reason. What sort of things do preachers talking about that the don't want non-preachers to read?

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I see no probelm with preachers having closed forums myself.

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Preachers perhaps they feel they have a kinship with other preachers and want to discuss ministerial subjects alone.

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Well that bothers me because that creates a class system within the church. We might as well be Roman Catholic.

Still what sort of ministerial subjects requires being alone among themselves and not in view of others to read? You can make a forum open to reading and still be "alone" in discussion, meaning nobody else can respond

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Tithing, disobedience to rule, can't get enough help at the church, don't know how we will pay the bills, other churches not like theirs,don't know if I can hang on and hold out any longer, feel like giving up,we must be in the last times my church is getting smaller, don't like Joel Olsten, debate of the scriptures,can't seem to get my people to understand anything, No I'm just kidding!:nod
A bunch of preachers from different churches had Thanks Giving dinner together. One of them said" I bet Jesus would have liked turkey" The other preacher said" no he wouldn't" Then one asked, " why wouldn't he, Well said the other preacher," If he ate thanks giving dinner he would have to go to the bathroom. The other preacher said" don't you believe Jesus went to the bathroom?" No I don't replied the one, The other preacher sitting on the side said with a laugh, " Then he must have been a big fellow"

This is a true story!!

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Prax, why do you and the rest of the admins have a closed section to discuss things?
You are promoting a class system here you see.:thumbsup

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I agree there in no class distinction in the church,no such thing as clergy and laity, but I guess like minded folks like to hang together.

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While I know you were kidding, I think the one problem with "the church" is we carried over the clergy mindset from Rome that creates two classes of people.

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Apples...oranges...

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I think you must belong to a different Church than I do.
A Preacher up here is taught to be a Servant first and foremost.:thumbsup

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You sir; are exactly right!!:highfive

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I admit we talk about things we don't want others to read. It's mostly to do with complaints by the board members concerning other board members and what we need to do about it.

All I am asking is why do preachers do it? Are they talking about certain members that are causing trouble in their church? If so why not make a private forum just for that and the rest open?

Second, most of the board is open for discussion or to read to anyone. Less than 10% of the board is not viewable to the public.

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Shouldn't we ALL be taught to be servants first and foremost?

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...Sour Grapes perhaps?

Look, both places have a need for not everyone to partcipate.

In Admin area they may think I am the greatest guy or biggest jerk.

Maybe it is split.

Thing is, I am not going to lose sleep if I do not know what is discussed in the Admin area.

FTR, I tend to believe Admins act like Christians.

I already told you that there has been lies and innuendos told on people from Preachers only forums here!!!!

The tales were told on me no less!!!:thumbsup

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They let their hair down.

Might disappoint some of their saints.

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Im curious what the need is though that it should not be seen by the eyes of non-preachers

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AMEN!!

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Why not??

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Must be a dif church. Here preachers call themselves servants when they really expect you to serve them. Before someone speaks of all the sacrifices that the preacher makes, those "sacrifices" are the fault of the preacher. Don't cry and complain that you sacrificed your family on the altar for your ministry when you never gave the sheep anything other than milk in direct violation of Hebrews 6:1-2. Either you are a novice and don't know anything beyond foundational truths, or you do not go beyond the foundation as a means to control the sheep.

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good question!

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I know that & frankly most of these charges about the Preachers forum are patently false at least to what I can read anyways which is 90% except for Admin area.
There are issues that Preachers & or their wives may want to open up about their lives or Ministries that other Ministers can relate to without having it broadcast to the WWW.

Prax, sometimes I feel like you and some of the others who are opposed to a closed Ministers forum feel like the guy at a 70,000 seat stadium where the Superbowl is being played that when the players get into a huddle on the field surely they must be talking about me!:thumbsup

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I agree & it needs to start in leadership!:thumbsup

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Sorry Ron. Not you specifically.

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So simply admitting you do it makes it alright for you and not preachers? I don't follow your logic or lack thereof here. Preachers talk about problems with other preachers. It's exactly the same thing you are doing.

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Considering they use their real names then I can see the need for a closed forum. Anonymity takes care of that problem for those of us who don't use our real names but since they do then I can understand.

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Your analogy falls a little short. Preachers talking about laypersons might be a little closer of an analogy.

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If you ever find yourself in Vancouver, Canada sometime drop by Grandview Apostolic Pentecostal Church and you see the exact opposite!:thumbsup


Bring earplugs though, with HM you don't get the best in Worship Leaders though. that would be me.:blush

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Ron you do realize all I asked was what is the necessity. There is no reason to attack me personally. This sort of response only makes people even more suspicious.

Are you a preacher? Do you discuss things on preacher only forums?

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I don't agree. I know better.

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Not at the forum I belong to!!

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No, it needs to start as soon as someone is converted :thumbsup

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I wasn't accusing anyone of doing such a thing. I was only saying preachers talking about laypersons would be more analagous to admin talking about posters than preachers talking about preachers would be.

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If it came across as a personal attack I am sorry.
From my perspective everyone clamoring about Preachers only forums "sounds" a little like someone is insecure that is all.

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Led by Leadership!:thumbsup

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I didn't say it was not alright. Im asking what is the necessity? Here is the preachers opportunity to explain why it is necessary.

See I admitted to what we discuss, it wasn't so hard

So, the reason Preachers have a preachers only forum is they want to talk about problems they are having with certain preachers?

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You go from an agressive attack to a passive agressive one of calling him insecure... that shows some major security issues for someone... ;)

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I always thought they talked about budgets, attendance, and golf.

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Maybe about which bar has the cheapest drinks? (So they can catch their members going there).

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Yes that certainly needs to be protected from the public lol :thumbsup

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Prax,

I am sure every preacher would have their own reasons for posting on a closed forum. I have heard that some felt it was better to post with other ministers least they be seen "pastoring" someone elses saints. Some are just more comfortable in a closed environment where other preachers are posting.

I honestly think that many of the conversations would be the same type we had here when many of those preachers posted here regularly. They bickered and fought then. That hasn't changed. What has changed is they now do it outside of the sight of saints. Not that they are "better", but that it is a little unsettling to see a man that preached at your church last night tell another preacher on a forum the next day that he is gonna bust hell wide open for what he believes. :D



I am not sure I have any major reason, other than it was what was open to me to fellowship when I backed away from here.

Hope this helps.