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hometown guy 03-17-2011 07:53 PM

Christian people listening to secular music
 
I think this is an oxymoron statement. I think it's a sin, what do you guys think?

berkeley 03-17-2011 07:59 PM

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I don't think it's best to broadbrush all secular music as sinful. Suddenly I'm in the mood to sing. "UPTOWN GURL..."

Hoovie 03-17-2011 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047081)
I think this is an oxymoron statement. I think it's a sin, what do you guys think?

What? No Phantom of the Opera or Mary Poppins shows? No strumming Red River Valley on the guitar or playing Piano Man on the on the piano? No Sunshine on my Shoulders when I present the ring? Or Sunrise, Sunset at the wedding?

Time to find a new church folks! I didn't sign up for this. :)

OnTheFritz 03-17-2011 08:06 PM

First of all, I'm not sure if we're in agreement on what an oxymoron is, but ANYway...

As with most things, it just depends.

Hoovie 03-17-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1047083)
I don't think it's best to broadbrush all secular music as sinful. Suddenly I'm in the mood to sing. "UPTOWN GURL..."

And I just can't shake the Grundy County Auction song...

Lol!

hometown guy 03-17-2011 08:14 PM

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Wikipedia says: "Secular" means being separate from religion.

notofworks 03-17-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047088)
Wikipedia says: "Secular" means being separate from religion.


Don't ever listen to The Star Spangled Banner.

Hoovie 03-17-2011 08:23 PM

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Separate perhaps, but not intentionally so. Like sleeping or going to get the mail, or sweeping chimneys...

Then there are other things which may even have questionable content that we indulge in. These we approach with maturity and awareness that we are not simply absorbing the messages put forth... Think Shakespeare, music and fine art.

notofworks 03-17-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1047085)
First of all, I'm not sure if we're in agreement on what an oxymoron is, but ANYway...

As with most things, it just depends.



Well, there's a part of the word "oxymoron" that would apply here.

ReformedDave 03-17-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047081)
I think this is an oxymoron statement. I think it's a sin, what do you guys think?

Don't ever read anything but a Bible......only if it was translated by oneness scholars.......not those darn trinitarians.

sandie 03-17-2011 08:27 PM

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If I have to give up listening to Andrea Bocelli....well, that's not going to happen. Besides, I'm sure heaven will sound like a choir of tens of thousands of Andrea Bocelli's singing to the Glory of God!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOCl5...eature=related

Orthodoxy 03-17-2011 08:28 PM

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I don't know if I could give up Frank Sinatra.... :bigbaby

hometown guy 03-17-2011 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1047085)
First of all, I'm not sure if we're in agreement on what an oxymoron is, but ANYway...

As with most things, it just depends.

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms
Christians that listen to wordly music are not christians therefore the statement is a contradiction

sandie 03-17-2011 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047101)
An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms

Christians that listen to wordly music are not christians therefore the statement is a contradiction

Where does it say that in the Bible?

hometown guy 03-17-2011 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie (Post 1047104)
Where does it say that in the Bible?

maybe next to the scripture thats say "thou shall not smoke meth"

ReformedDave 03-17-2011 08:38 PM

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It's amazing that Christians can look at, do and hear other things that aren't 'christian' but listen to music and Houston we've got a problem.........

sandie 03-17-2011 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047107)
maybe next to the scripture thats say "thou shall not smoke meth"

I'll jot that down.

ReformedDave 03-17-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047107)
maybe next to the scripture thats say "thou shall not smoke meth"

Or, thou shalt never drink wine.......

Hoovie 03-17-2011 08:41 PM

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And I can't live without Snoop Doggie Dog!



NOT!

:) Even I have a minuscule amount of decency. lol

berkeley 03-17-2011 08:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047101)
An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms
Christians that listen to wordly music are not christians therefore the statement is a contradiction

I think that only applies to two words together, ex: "pretty ugly"

notofworks 03-17-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047107)
maybe next to the scripture thats say "thou shall not smoke meth"


There's something wrong with meth??? Buncha legalists.:lol

berkeley 03-17-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1047112)
And I can't live without Snoop Doggie Dog!



NOT!

:) Even I have a minuscule amount of decency. lol

"You get wit doggy dog?" "Ooh Boy is you kraazy?" "What ya mama and ya daddy haulin baby..."

hometown guy 03-17-2011 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1047114)
I think that only applies to two words together, ex: "pretty ugly"

That's why I said it was an oxymoron statement

Theophil 03-17-2011 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1047112)
And I can't live without Snoop Doggie Dog!



NOT!

:) Even I have a minuscule amount of decency. lol

It's so tricky to rock a rhyme, rock a rhyme that's right on time. It's tricky, it's tricky.

berkeley 03-17-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047118)
That's why I said it was an oxymoron statement

Mmkay. I kinda sorta understand what you are conveying. But I am afraid that there are no oxymoron statements. You should have went with "contradiction."

berkeley 03-17-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Theophil (Post 1047121)
It's so tricky to rock a rhyme, rock a rhyme that's right on time. It's tricky, it's tricky.

Mijo, que es eso?

OnTheFritz 03-17-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

That's why I said it was an oxymoron statement

The larger point is that it is both technically inaccurate and utter nonsense no matter how you look at it. Does that help?

hometown guy 03-17-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1047124)
The larger point is that it is both technically inaccurate and utter nonsense no matter how you look at it. Does that help?

Thanks:thumbsup

berkeley 03-17-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1047124)
The larger point is that it is both technically inaccurate and utter nonsense no matter how you look at it. Does that help?

Be nice.

Praxeas 03-17-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047081)
I think this is an oxymoron statement. I think it's a sin, what do you guys think?

I'd be more concerned with other issues like praying. Is someone praying and reading the word? Are they led by the Spirit?

I'd rather be given the tools to have a relationship with Christ than a bunch of dos and don'ts.

And when it comes to "secular", there is so much that is secular. Newspapers. Books. School books. Jobs. Saying secular music is a sin is a pretty broad brush.

I would say it falls into the catagory of "unto me all things are lawful but not all things are expedient"...

See, sins are clearly listed in the bible. They are things we do or works of the flesh

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
Gal 5:21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

All the rules in the world won't keep someone from fulfilling the works of the flesh. In fact often times someone get's so caught up in the rules that they neglect the personal relationship and faith in Jesus. Outwardly to everyone else they may appear holy, but there is a reason why the bible says man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. The outward appearance can be deceptive and hide the truth of the condition of the inner man.

I would say, if someone wants to avoid all forms of secular music, good for them, but just make sure your faith is in Jesus and not your own works, make sure you are praying with an open heart to God and getting the word and applying it to your own heart.
Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

OldPathsII 03-17-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047081)
I think this is an oxymoron statement. I think it's a sin, what do you guys think?


It is absolutely a sin and I can't believe it's even a discussion here. I'm thankful to see someone saying what needs to be said!! Christians don't listen worldly music. This isn't negotiable.

Praxeas 03-17-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047101)
An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms
Christians that listen to wordly music are not christians therefore the statement is a contradiction

Earlier you said secular. Now it's worldly. So is all secular music worldly?

OnTheFritz 03-17-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII

It is absolutely a sin and I can't believe it's even a discussion here. I'm thankful to see someone saying what needs to be said!! Christians don't listen worldly music. This isn't negotiable.

Mary Had a Little Lamb. Sin?

Praxeas 03-17-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1047131)
It is absolutely a sin and I can't believe it's even a discussion here. I'm thankful to see someone saying what needs to be said!! Christians don't listen worldly music. This isn't negotiable.

Now there is an "oxymoronic" statement...he can't believe it's even a discussion HERE yet he congratulates the guy that started the discussion???

Now wait. To be technically accurate that is not an oxymoron. It is, however, contradictory. But then again anyone that says the definition of long is uncut yet insists a man with a feet of long hair and trims it is also long doesn't understand what a contradiction is

Phoenix 03-17-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1047101)
An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms
Christians that listen to wordly music are not christians therefore the statement is a contradiction

Ok. So all I have to do to go to hell is listen to secular music? Or, is that cut my hair? Or put on a pair of pants? Or make up! Wearing make up will send me to hell too. Wait, I'm getting confused now. What about sending my kids to a public school? That surely has to send me straight to hell and them too. Going to work has to lead to certain damnation too.

All I have to do to get to heaven is stay holed up in my special little cave in the wilderness somewhere, all alone with only my immediate family (wait..some of them aren't saved..maybe I have to sacrifice those relationships in order to save myself...) and never talk to anyone ever about anything. I can't even go to church because I have to pass by sinners on my way and read advertising that will send me to hell if I even look at it, and surely 90% of the people who attend are going to hell anyhow!

Where's the part about the death and resurrection of Jesus?

OnTheFritz 03-17-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by berkeley

Be nice.

I'll try.

berkeley 03-17-2011 09:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1047131)
It is absolutely a sin and I can't believe it's even a discussion here. I'm thankful to see someone saying what needs to be said!! Christians don't listen worldly music. This isn't negotiable.

Seriously, Bailey. Do you sit and lurk til someone posts something like this?

OldPathsII 03-17-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1047133)
Mary Had a Little Lamb. Sin?


Do you know the origin of that song?

hometown guy 03-17-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1047130)
I'd be more concerned with other issues like praying. Is someone praying and reading the word? Are they led by the Spirit?

I'd rather be given the tools to have a relationship with Christ than a bunch of dos and don'ts.

And when it comes to "secular", there is so much that is secular. Newspapers. Books. School books. Jobs. Saying secular music is a sin is a pretty broad brush.

I would say it falls into the catagory of "unto me all things are lawful but not all things are expedient"...

See, sins are clearly listed in the bible. They are things we do or works of the flesh


Every sin can not be clearly listed in the bible

Galatians 5:21 (King James Version)
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

James 4:17 (King James Version)
17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Phoenix 03-17-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII (Post 1047138)
Do you know the origin of that song?

I do. What's your point?


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