Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1048751)

*yawn* The first clip is from a spoof site. They also have a video where he says he is really high and staggering some.

All this goes to show is that birthers will believe anything.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1048757)

So at the beginning when he says he's not american and born in kenya is not legit? Is it edited?

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1048757)

So at the beginning when he says he's not american and born in kenya is not legit? Is it edited?

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1048768)

It is edited.

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1048871)

I don't need conspiracy theories and doctored videos to know that BO has been a disaster for America. His presidency will be remembered as one of the worst in modern times. The unedited quotes throughout his campaign and years in office are enough for me.

What is humorous are the Kool-Aiders who blindly defend his economic policies, his foreign policies, his poor leadership, ESPN appearances, golf games and deference to the UN and Europe to lead the way in the world. That's way more comical than birther paranoia.

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1048871)

I don't need conspiracy theories and doctored videos to know that BO has been a disaster for America. His presidency will be remembered as one of the worst in modern times. The unedited quotes throughout his campaign and years in office are enough for me.

What is humorous are the Kool-Aiders who blindly defend his economic policies, his foreign policies, his poor leadership, ESPN appearances, golf games and deference to the UN and Europe to lead the way in the world. That's way more comical than birther paranoia.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 1048878)

Nearly every time I read one of your posts, I am always reminded of this quote:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

It helps if you read it in James Earl Jones's voice, it adds a certain gravitas to it, lol.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 1048878)

Nearly every time I read one of your posts, I am always reminded of this quote:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

It helps if you read it in James Earl Jones's voice, it adds a certain gravitas to it, lol.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1048909)

Were you a supporter of George W Bush?

Did his economic policy get as much dramatic rhetoric from you?

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1049143)

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.




I believe by and large the Bush foreign policy was spot on. He took the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who aided and abetted Al-Qaeda. He enforced the 17 UN Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated and removed him and his bloody regime and successfully replaced him with a democratically elected government. Iraq is proving more and more to be a great success story. Bush had it right on the War on Terror, Guantanamo, enhanced interrogations. He LED. The US was far safer under Bush than it was under Clinton. I have few issues here. Nothing to be "dramatic" about.



I could be wrong, but I believe BO is the first prez to do the bracket thing for March Madness. And its not that that is a problem per se, but his timing and the perception he projected when doing it. The earthquake and tsunami hit Japan with the subsequent nuclear crisis and he's on TV yucking it up about March Madness. Bad timing. Bush understood this and quit playing golf after 9/11 and the two wars that followed. POTUS has an obligation to send the message that he is serious about his job and understands perception.

Remember Bush's flyover New Orleans? Boy we never heard the end of that! During the time of human crisis and tragedy, presidents should lay aside selfish endeavors like bracketology and golf and embrace his role and what he represents. My spirit isn't lifted knowing who BO thinks will win the NCAA title or that he birdied a hole. My spirit is lifted when the prez shows compassion, leadership and selflessness when others are suffering. BO barely responded on the early hours of the tragedy.



Bush got Congressional approval before invading Iraq. This is not Bush's 3rd term. You calling it is evidence that you don't have confidence in your man's ability to lead on his own. All he and the rest of you Kool-Aiders can do is blame Bush for Obama's failures. Leaders lead, they don't blame or point the finger. They take responsibility.

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1049143)

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.




I believe by and large the Bush foreign policy was spot on. He took the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who aided and abetted Al-Qaeda. He enforced the 17 UN Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated and removed him and his bloody regime and successfully replaced him with a democratically elected government. Iraq is proving more and more to be a great success story. Bush had it right on the War on Terror, Guantanamo, enhanced interrogations. He LED. The US was far safer under Bush than it was under Clinton. I have few issues here. Nothing to be "dramatic" about.



I could be wrong, but I believe BO is the first prez to do the bracket thing for March Madness. And its not that that is a problem per se, but his timing and the perception he projected when doing it. The earthquake and tsunami hit Japan with the subsequent nuclear crisis and he's on TV yucking it up about March Madness. Bad timing. Bush understood this and quit playing golf after 9/11 and the two wars that followed. POTUS has an obligation to send the message that he is serious about his job and understands perception.

Remember Bush's flyover New Orleans? Boy we never heard the end of that! During the time of human crisis and tragedy, presidents should lay aside selfish endeavors like bracketology and golf and embrace his role and what he represents. My spirit isn't lifted knowing who BO thinks will win the NCAA title or that he birdied a hole. My spirit is lifted when the prez shows compassion, leadership and selflessness when others are suffering. BO barely responded on the early hours of the tragedy.



Bush got Congressional approval before invading Iraq. This is not Bush's 3rd term. You calling it is evidence that you don't have confidence in your man's ability to lead on his own. All he and the rest of you Kool-Aiders can do is blame Bush for Obama's failures. Leaders lead, they don't blame or point the finger. They take responsibility.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1048909)

Were you a supporter of George W Bush?

Did his economic policy get as much dramatic rhetoric from you?
His foreign policy?

.

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1049136)

Old liberal tactic: start taking pot shots at messengers with messages you don't like. Keep playing the music, but it won't stop the Titanic from sinking...

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1049143)

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.

Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1049973)

Kudos to you for speaking out. :thumbsup
BTW, I'm not a Dem nor did I vote for BO. I just abhor the typical GOP, Right-Wing conservative, Evangelical biases.




You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I think Bush's foreign policy was one of his greatest flaws. Interventionists, knee-jerk, not well thought out (similar to this Libya crisis, but fortunately, we aren't as committed right now). Nation-building is something I'm not a fan of, especially nation-building in Arab countries. Iraq is proving to be a success story? Really? I'm glad you support "enhanced interrogations." I don't.

Post 9/11 national emotion won him early favor, but his leading took us into two countries without clear objectives and strategies (and not a lot of clear communication either), spread out our military and we are still in those two countries far past his term. A full-scale war in Iraq was necessary? Really? Let's talk about the so-called imminent threats shall we? I will give it to him that if intelligence was bad, intelligence was bad. However, even prior to the invasion, the international community, ie Hans Blixer and his inspectors confirmed that there were no WMDs. Conspiracy nuts today will attempt to still cling to the fact that there are, even while the entire Bush Administration in retrospect admit the intelligence was faulty. But the entire strategy wreaked of a Louis Lamour revenge sequel, and the case for revenge was quite speculative. Afghanistan was arguably a good move, the intention of bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice, etc. But we got war happy and decided foreign intervention was in our best interest. 9/11 was an Act of War, on our soil. Being strategic in how we respond and expend our military resources should be considered a little more carefully. And while I don't think the UN should be commanding our troops, having some sort of united front and confidence with the international community is important.



In 1985, President Ronald Reagan flipped the commemorative coin during a live ABC-TV feed before the kickoff of the Super Bowl XIX. Three years later, the Gipper laid out the White House welcome mat for the Washington Redskins after they crushed the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXII. Sports have a long-standing precedent in Presidential politics. I again point to the fact that Presidents have longed connected with the American fervor and passion for its sports.

To the point about his timing, if he'd canceled his annual bracket extravaganza, he'd be accused of a bunker mentality. The notion that he should have snubbed ESPN taps into the unrealistic gestalt that imagines presidents grapple every moment of their days and nights with the job we've elected them to do. This is why Obama's family vacations cause critics to blow their gaskets — even though the younger President Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas, ranch during his two terms.

As venerable CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller told FactCheck.org, true enough, presidents never really punch out: "The job — and its awesome powers and responsibilities — is his wherever he is and whatever he's doing."Even if he's taking a timeout to share a nation's mutual madness.

Timing may not have been best (considering America was waiting on his response about Libya), but timing never is best. And, BTW, I thought the criticisms toward W for the fly over were unfair as well, and were only exacerbated by the tauntings of racism which were utterly deplorable to even consider.



Bush got Congressional approval, true. The claims (and the one that Judge Napolitano make) aren't against him obtaining Congressional approval, they are emphasizing his philosophy of intervention. Your entire last paragraph is baseless and pointless considering I'm not one of those "you guys." Let's not pretend there's not Kool-Aid stains on everyone's lips in Washington either. Obama hasn't blamed anyone. His supporters may be pointing out inconsistencies, but those who are neither Obama supporters or Kool-Aid drinking GOP groupies, are interjecting into this with a perspective about how America should respond in foreign affairs.

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin (Post 1049977)

Come on Socialite..... "Obama hasn't blamed anyone? You've got to be kidding!"

Been Thinkin

Originally Posted by canam (Post 1050000)

Well naysayers lets see ya disprove this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=636_1300992592

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1050039)

Do you think that BHO keeps egging on the birthers?

Originally Posted by canam (Post 1050000)

Well naysayers lets see ya disprove this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=636_1300992592

Originally Posted by canam (Post 1050000)

Well naysayers lets see ya disprove this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=636_1300992592

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1050243)

I do believe that there could be some "mystery" about BHO's place of birth.
I also believe that he could have a valid birth certificate and just be waiting for the right moment to produce it as a way to "trump", (play on words), the birthers.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 1049956)

Not really a tactic, just an honest observation. You seem to be very afraid of President Obama, and that seems to be turning into anger for you.

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1050761)

I don't live in fear, I just call it like I see it. I called it back in '08 that BO's presidency would be disasterous. It is pretty serious when someone is the most powerful man in the world militarily and economically and he doesn't have a clue what he's doing. Elections have consequences. Some said BO's election would be worth it because it would pave the way for a true conservative. I contended that the cost of four years of BO would too high a price. In just two years he's tripled the national debt just to mention one major faux pas. Inexperience and ignorance are dangerous characteristics for the Oval Office.