"Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart...
 

http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/46928...urt-rules.html

If her behavior was as reported I woulda fired her too.

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Where in His earthly ministry did Jesus ever approach someone in this manner?
Goodness....just some good old fashioned common sense should've dictated better behavior.
And apparently, she totally missed it when Jesus said to treat others the way you would want to be treated.

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Yeah....its sad....basicly reinforcing the stereotype.

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Someone should have at least taught her some manners. Looks like she learned the lesson the hard way. I would imagine she's got some hefty legal bills?

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Jesus was pretty rough with the religious and holiness folks of His time. Read Matthew chapter 23.

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Yep, no doubt He was.
Guess she missed that part too.

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I read this and thought "For pete's sake, she can have her opinion". It says "they" were in a conversation about gays. Was the woman harassing her? Following her around and stalking her? Or did she just give her her opinion. "Screaming over her" is very relative. It doesn't mean much to me.

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The problem lies in was this the correct attitude to have toward the lost. I have been in the UPC for 31 years and have seen this attitude over and over again. There are at least four great errors this individual made: 1) We can hate the sin but not the sinner. Jesus did not hate the hypocrites in the synagogues. Jesus hated hypocrisy.
2) Let's remember that we must obstain from evil communication, this means gossip, dirty jokes, and debating mute issues that have no productivity. If she were to sit down with the individual who was Homosexual and tell her about Jesus and tell her that Jesus LOVES her and that there were ways for her to feel freedom for her, that would have been profitable. 3) As Christians we need to show Christ in our WORK ETHIC, we need to shine Christ on the work floor and in the break room. 4) we need to remember that as Pentecostal Apostolic's we are being watched at all times, it is our job to present ourselves as a grounded knowledgeable individuals not as ranting hatemongers. This lady's behavior did not reach the high standards we must hold ourselves too, nor was she fired because of religious discrimination she was fired because she has no inner monologue.

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Please forgive the error above. under item number 2) The phrase is MOOT ISSUE, Not MUTE ISSUE, I dislike auto-correct.

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Sounds like a set up...they were already discussing it and she voiced her opinion

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I thinki it was the way in which she presented her opinion....I dont think this was a witch hunt.

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As far as what she said... we should be allowed to voice our opinions on things. These days you can get fired if you voice a religious opinion and that is a crying shame.

The way they say she went about it is the issue that is questionable.

If you're going to discussion religion... especially religion and homosexuality... I say stay out of the Kitchen if you can't stand the heat.

Now... I wouldn't have answered in the words she used. I would have been a little more tactful about it. But lack of tact in wording shouldn't be a firing offense. Lack of tact in execution can get you escorted out.

There isn't much about what she said or the way she allegedly said it that I approve of on a personal level but I'm about tired of this thought police society.

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i'd like to see the situation first hand. Maybe she was wrong or maybe not.

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You don't have any rights to free expression while someone else is paying you. They have the right to regulate your speech.

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Yeah, it's the thought police that I have the issue with. And the idea that maybe people can't seem to work with people they disagree with. If the woman was truly harassing the lesbian, (like Westboro does to people) then, she deserved to be fired. However, I dunno. I am not convinced either way. I have seen things happen that have been unjust both directions.

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Who really know how it went down. Also loving the sinner and hating the sin is also can be incorrect statement. You cannot separate the sin from the sinner as the heart is what defiles. You can love what they can be but you do not love the person they are.

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Maybe there'll be video posted on the walmart freakshow website. :heeheehee

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Barn you are correct. I believe the employer has the right to determine work place social enviroment. IMO for the most part the GOV should stay of it. Of couse the courts have to hear a case but regulation IMO has been overboard.

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In her statement, Amy reported that Matthews was “screaming over her” that
God does not accept gays, they should not “be on earth,” and they will “go to hell” because
they are not “right in the head.” Five other employees confirmed that Matthews had said
that gays are sinners and are going to hell.

So....hmmmm.....was she screaming like one person said? Or did she just say so like five others said? Most of the rest of the article was just describing things and wasn't really about the initial incident.

So, it might be the thought police or this employee was really a jerk. Maybe the judge was a lesbian out to cleanse Christians from the workplace. We have no idea.

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Nope.

Before WILLIAM J. BAUER, RICHARD A. POSNER, ANN CLAIRE WILLIAMS, Circuit Judges.

All were in agreement.

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Posner, BTW is a legal legend and know for his more Libertarian views.

Including arguing that anyone that would not use torture to get needed info, if that was the only way to get it, should not be in a position of authority.

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LOL! Alrighty then, maybe they were all liberals. ;)

I am more likely to believe the verdict though with three judges on board, however, there is still a chance that it was discrimination on their parts. I also do wonder why the other five people mentioned nothing about "screaming".

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Yikes!

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They were also affirming a lower court ruling which means yet another judge was involved.

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If the Apostolic woman was torturing this girl, she probably should have been promoted to manager. Oh wait, she was a conservative! ;)

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Please forgive the change of topic, but, ILG...how's that count going for the supreme court judge in your state?
Haven't heard anything since the numbers were reported incorrectly.

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They could have a recount but most seem to think it was a legitimate mistake.

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Thanks for the update.

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Then Jesus should have just stayed in heaven and just said pfut....

blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy...should be ringing a bell by now,,While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.. :smack:heeheehee

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Romans 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

It most certainly is true that God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

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This isn't about the "thought police", it's about workplace conduct. I'm glad she was fired. Sounds like she deserved it.

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It doesn't sound like it was a simple conversation where she was asked a question and felt that she had to give an honest answer--albeit politely.

If she was yelling or screaming at a fellow employee, that alone is abusive behavior--it doesn't matter what the content was. That fact that she was attacking someone verbally because of their lifestyle makes it worse, and the fact that she was attacking someone verbally while trying to portray herself as a Christian makes it awful.

Whether this is okay based on "religious freedom" is beside the point for me. I really don't know how that applies to this situation. However, it definitely doesn't sound like she was acting Christlike.

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And she is no doubt feeling "persecuted for His name" even as we speak.

I wonder if she has had the same sort of argument with other women over cutting their hair?

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So if she nicely told the lesbian "Yes you are going to hell"? The Lesbian would not of minded? Im just not sure we can know the Lesbian portrayed this other woman the best light possible

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Just like being in the Military. Personally though I don't think we should lose some of our freedoms just because we are being paid to work for someone.

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I think it's one thing for a woman to volunteer her views to someone else unsolicited...

But in this case this was a group discussion and possibly she was asked for her opinion. IF it was a group discussion on the bible and being gay then they opened the door to her opinion too

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If you read the court opinion you will see that it was actually someone other then the lesbian that complained about her, it also said she acknowledged that

"none of the other employees involved in the conversation commented about 'someone’s individual status, homosexuality or race,'"

In other words she was discussing it in the abstract she made it personal.

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Your not losing your freedom, in the workplace you represent the company you work for and they are responsible for your actions therefore they get to dictate your actions and statements.

Not really to hard to understand, she is in a very real sense an agent of Wal-Mart and when she is acting in that capacity they get to determine her conduct. Outside of work hours she is free to join with pastor Phelps and Westboro friends.

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If I was drawn into the conversation I'd explain how I believe that every human being needs Christ, yes, even homosexuals. We're all human and are guilty of deplorable sin in God's eyes.