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Blueprints and computer animation from The Temple Institute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFnck...layer_embedded

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What purpose will the Temple Institute serve?

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So? do you think this means anything in the eyes of God?

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Do you think it will fulfill the bible prophecy concerning the third temple... a place that the antichrist plays a part?

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Yes, I do, but preterists and partial -preterists will disagree with me.

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Pretty cool!

At about 2:47, looks like they should slope the seating a bit more, or the folks in the back rows won't be able to see much. ;)

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What third temple? Please give me proper NT scripture that tells of a third temple that God accepts. When all the prophecys dealing with the temple were written in NT the temple in Jerusalem was still standing so had to be speaking of that temple. No where in the book of Revelation does it speak of a new man made earthly temple that had been rebuilt or was new.

Something else to think about when checking into this, What did the Jewish temeple revolve around? Animal sacrifices for the sins commited my man. Why do the Jews want to build anew temple for? To began to re offer animal sacrifices. Why would this please God?

His son became the last sacrifice for all mankind don't you think that for the Jew to restart animal sacrifices that it would be like spitting in the face of God? God destroyed the temple in Jerusalem and Jerusalem in 70ad because those people would not repent for what they had done when they crucified the Son of God. And you beleive that now God will smile on the Jew for rebuilding a temple he God destroyed 2000 years ago, and you further beleive that God will smile on a people that still refuse to accept his salvation through his blood?

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Call it what you will (third temple), some kind of temple will be in existence at our Lord’s return for the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 in which the antichrist sets up the abomination of desolation. Not sure if this temple will be built at God's command or even with His approval but since it will bear His Name & His Name is holy... surely judgment will come to those that desecrate it.

I, too, believe that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for all mankind but unfortunately most of the Jewish nation does not hold this belief.

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Many unbelieving Jews are still looking for their Messiah. Many people today are still looking for their Savior. HE came and OH, SAY BUT I'M GLAD!!!

The Word clearly tells us that the things that are ETERNAL are UNSEEN by physical eyes. IF we are not born again, we will never SEE the Kingdom of God or COMPREHEND it. It can only be seen through eyes of FAITH! Without FAITH it is IMPOSSI-
BLE to PLEASE HIM. FOR HE that cometh to GOD MUST believe that HE IS and that HE IS A REWARDER of them that DILI-
GENTLY SEEK HIM! Wise men and women still SEEK HIM!

GOD IS A SPIRIT! They that worship Him MUST worship HIM in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH! For the Father seeketh such to worship Him. Those who do not want the HOLY GHOST will never see the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is NOT meat and drink, but Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the HOLY GHOST! Many are SO BLIND!! Having eyes to see, but they cannot see! The Kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN you!! If you have the Holy Ghost, STIR up the Gift that is WITHIN you!!

How did the unbelieving Jews miss HIM! They were looking for a physical KING in a kingly robe! They never expected a King in a Robe of Humanity! HE HID the Truth from the wise and prudent and revealed it unto "babes".

One GOD, concealed in the OLD, revealed in the NEW, and now indwells as the HOLY GHOST in His sons and daughters. Again, why would you expect to SEE Someone who dwells INSIDE! God is a, (The Holy) Spirit. GOD was IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto Himself!

Falla39

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This is what some don't understand. Just because the Jews build a temple doesn't mean that it fits into God's redemptive plan.

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Was reading Ezekiel tonight (not because of this topic, just been reading it the last couple weeks) and happened acrss the last of chapter 37 "then my Sanctuary will be amongst them." Of course then chapters 40-48 talk about "ezekiels temple" Just curious what are some views on this? I would reject "herods Temple" as filling the bill in Ezk. 37 and also Ezk.40-48 because IMO Ezk. 37 is a future prophecy. For only Judah was released from captivity, the 10 tribes did not return to the land at that time. I am open to the possibility (I'd say probability) that what we have seen happen over the last generation plus is leading up to the fulfillment of Ezk. 37.

Concercning "Ezekiels Temple" is it a "third temple", is it a "millenial temple" or a "heavenly temple"? Thoughts?

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But the Jews don't know that. They see it as not having a sacrifice for their sins since 66-70 AD. and another interesting thing is, Jesus said there won't be one stone standing upon another, But not all the stones were thrown down when the temple was destroyed. And when in that time of 70 AD was there a person who stood in the holy place and caused the abomination of desolation. And following the destruction of the temple there should have been an effort to destroy the Jewish people altogether in the valley south of the city. And in that situation is where Jesus should have appeared and every eye should have seen him as he said it would be.
The Jews are just blind as the bible said until an appointed time. And I believe some of them will be blind along with some professing Christians up until the coming of Christ.

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Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

let me answer this with a new testemant scripture,

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Austin is'nt it funny, what does it matter if the Jew see it or not old testement prophecies are clear that the sacrifices and oblations were for a time and that one would come to finish them. The problem is, just as we have come to the same frame of mind. We are looking for a material earthly kindom and not one that is spiritual. Did not Jesus say on more than one occation, my kindom is not of this world?

As for being litural in fulfiment, like, (every stone upon another)? Go back through OT prophecy you will find something in every prophecy that did not have comeplete physical fulfillment yet we still concider them as having been fulfilled.

Just a question, do you honestly beleive that something that has never happened before in the history of mankind is going to happen? Every profesing Jew on the face of the earth is going to come to beleive and see Christ as thier messiah? Is that now what scripture says will happen?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

As far as I am concerned that is the same as saying not every stone has or was standing upon another. Let me ask you this from what history book do you get that not all stones were pulled apart? Did you not know that the Jews have tried to rebuild the temple acouple of times and God has stopped them?

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I believe "Ezekiels temple" is "...the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down..." mentioned in Acts 15.

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Ezekiel's temple is GOD AND THE LAMB.

When we read ch. 47 and see a river coming from the temple with trees on both sides of the banks for healing and food we see the same river in Rev 22 coming from the throne of GOD AND THE LAMB. And then when we read Rev 21 we find that GOD AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE!

Ezekiel 47:1 KJV Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

Ezekiel 47:12 KJV And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2 KJV And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. (2) In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.


Revelation 21:22 KJV And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

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Austin, we've had some great talks in the last few months. Consider what I say, since I used to believe what you now believe, but could not any more as I believe God corrected me big-time. I never even heard the word PRETERISM when God showed me these things.

Hebrews 10:1-2 says that when a sacrifice is offered that could perfect the comer thereunto, then sacrifices would cease to be offered. Hebrews 10:14 says Jesus perfected forever them that are sanctified. We must notice that Hebrews is true and cannot be false. Sacrifices cease to be offered when a perfect sacrifice is made. This means that as far as God is concerned, NOTHING was offered since Christ's death, since He did not accept anything. God would not even call those vain offerings by the term "sacrifices".

When Israel continued to offer sacrifices, it was all in vain.

So what are we going to go by? God's perspective in Heb 10 or unbelieving Israel's perspective? Did Jesus offer a perfect sacrifice or not? If He did, as Heb 10:14 says He did, then that means sacrifices ceased to be offered. But if they continued in the temple until it was destroyed in AD70, does that make Heb 10:1-2 a lie? Of course not. The fact is that God does not CONSIDER them after the cross. That is the only way to fit it all together. That means that in one perspective, that of Heb 10, sacrifices ceased at the cross despite the continued offerings of Jews.

So as far as God was concerned, the TEMPLE WAS DONE. Destroy it. Remove it. Continued activity is an affront to the cross. Israel actually tried to rebuild a temple in the 300's at, but an earthquake hindered it! HMMMM......

Bar Kochba revolt
The forces of Shimon ben Kosiba, more commonly known as Simon bar Kokhba, captured Jerusalem from the Romans in AD 132, and construction of a new temple began, as well as renewed temple services. The failure of this revolt led to the writing of the Mishna, as the religious leaders believed that the next attempt to rebuild the temple might be centuries away and memory of the practices and ceremonies would otherwise be lost.

Julian
There was an aborted project by the Roman emperor Julian (361–363) to allow the Jews to build a "Third Temple", part of Julian's empire-wide program of restoring/strengthening local religious cults. Rabbi Hilkiyah, one of the leading rabbis of the time, spurned Julian's money, arguing that gentiles should play no part in the rebuilding of the temple.

According to various sources of that time, including Sozomen (c. 400–450) in his Historia Ecclesiastica and the pagan historian and close friend of Julian, Ammianus Marcellinus,[5] the project of rebuilding the temple was aborted because each time the workers were trying to build the temple, using the existing substructure, they were burned by terrible flames coming from inside the earth and an earthquake negated what work was made:

Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant expense the proud Temple once at Jerusalem, and committed this task to Alypius of Antioch. Alypius set vigorously to work, and was seconded by the governor of the province; when fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks, till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more: and he gave up the attempt.

The failure to rebuild the Temple has been ascribed to the Galilee earthquake of 363, and to the Jews' ambivalence about the project. Sabotage is a possibility, as is an accidental fire. Divine intervention was the common view among Christian historians of the time.[7] Shortly thereafter, Julian was killed in battle, and the Christians reasserted control over the empire.

But Jesus did not say the stones would be destroyed. He said the BUILDINGS of the temple's stones would be thrown down. The context is speaking about the BUILDINGS OF THE TEMPLE. And that occurred in AD70. This referred to the temple structure itself, not the stones of the surrounding groundwork that people walked on.

Matthew 24:1-2 KJV And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. (2) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Rome razed the temple and everything else in Jerusalem to the ground in AD70.

Jerusalem was called the HOLY PLACE as well as the temple.

ADAM CLARKE :

Mat 24:15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk_21:20, Luk_21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar_13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.

This DID happen in AD70. Every eye seeing is actually referring to the SIGN of the son of man in Heaven, not the Son of man in Heaven, Himself. If your church has a SIGN of the church in your town, then the SIGN is not the church itself. Same with this. The son of man is in Heaven, sitting on the throne, and THERE WAS A SIGN OF THAT in the temple destruction.

ADAM CLARKE HAD IT RIGHT:

Mat 24:30
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man - The plain meaning of this is, that the destruction of Jerusalem will be such a remarkable instance of Divine vengeance, such a signal manifestation of Christ’s power and glory, that all the Jewish tribes shall mourn, and many will, in consequence of this manifestation of God, be led to acknowledge Christ and his religion. By της γης, of the land, in the text, is evidently meant here, as in several other places, the land of Judea and its tribes, either its then inhabitants, or the Jewish people wherever found.

This has nothing to do with Matthew 24, though.

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I edited my previous post and added more.

Austin, what grabs me about this view is that is centralizes the CROSS in the midst of all the prophecy of the bible. It puts the gloom and doom of judgment on the generation who perpetrated the cross, and the cross should be central to EVERYTHING anyway!

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All of this came to me in the mid-90's while studying the cross in the most in-depth manner I ever had in my life. No way did I expect to get into PROPHECY by studying the cross! But this view of prophecy is the most cross-focused view there is.

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Funny how people can twist the scriptures and make them conformable to their personal indoctrinations. This teaching of the coming of Christ and the end time including the Temple teaching on the destruction of it in 66-70 AD is one of the biggest misconceptions of truth I think I have ever heard. Now, That's just my opinion not argument. it would be endless for me to try and respond to these issues, simply due to the fact, first I'm out gunned on this forum, and secondary I guess in my opinion which is what a forum is about, If some of you chose to follow this particular teaching what is it to me!

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Whoa, hoss! lol

Do you think I never had doubts about this when I first came across it?

Brother, the bible teaches the wisdom of checking with scriptures anything that we have not heard before, as the Bereans who searched scriptures daily to see whether Paul's words were true or not. To be closed minded to something is a fleshly response that ANYONE experiences at first when they hear something they were not taught before. We have all done it. Imagine a trinitarian hearing Oneness for the first time.

God may be trying to show you truth! It is only because it is so contrasting from what you were taught that it seems wrong. But do not succumb to the common urge to cast it away since it is different. Had the Bereans done that with Paul's words they would never have known truth. I do not ask you to accept my views, but to GIVE THEM A CHANCE.

At least CONSIDER it may be true. On what basis would we not? Really stop and think about it. On WHAT BASIS would you cast it away? What if you interpreted something different than what God intended you to interpret it as? What if what you heard was wrong and you simply adhere to it because you first heard that view you hold and reject anything on the simple basis that it is not what you heard before? How would you know you were wrong?

Proverbs says to HEAR A MATTER OUT FULLY before you give an answer to it, lest you act foolishly.

Proverbs 18:13 KJV He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

This does not mean to accept everything that comes our way. But it means to not cast it away on the simple basis that it is different from your beliefs.

This view STILL HAS JESUS COMING IN THE FUTURE with a rapture and all. But it also shows that the punishment on Israel from the cross was real.

Surely you will at least check it out and honestly give it a chance, which you have not done yet. Otherwise, Solomons said we act foolishly. If God is trying to show you something, then you are not letting him!

Matt 21:40 was talking about AD70 destruction and CALLED IS THE COMING OF THE LORD! Check it out!


Matthew 21:40 KJV When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?


Matthew 21:45 KJV And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

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That is so true what you said there about how we do react often. Honestly to anything almost when it comes to being wrong. Nobody likes to be that is for sure. But we all can be. Been there many times before. Even ran once from the truth for a while.

I don't know for sure if what your saying is correct. But I like that statement about the sign not being church example anyway.

Sometimes it sounds right, but then when you look at what is happening today, it also sounds like others are may be right about what the do believe. Except I cannot forget about Cory Ten boom saying when Hitler took over, everyone thought they were going to be gone soon in some rapture, thinking Hitler was the antichrist. But of course, didn't happen. And today many are saying the same thing today. Or at least seeing it was the end. But we were saying the same thing many years ago too, once I did begin to truly follow Jesus Christ finally, after God finally revealed who He actually was to me.

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The problem I have with this AD 70 thing is this. It does away with the 1000 year millennium and it also does away with the Antichrist. Or at least that's what it looks like. I know for certain that we are not in the millenium because there is no peace in the earth. Neither is there a new city where God dwells above.
I don't believe that the Jews will have any offering for sin if they built a thousand temples because they missed it. But I do believe they will build another temple whether it is righteous or not is not the issue because I think it won't. if they are not going to build a temple then why have they been training over 400 priest since 1985. and why have they been looking for the artifacts of the temple and have located most of them. And why are they telling the world that they want to rebuild their temple. And where is the tribulation period if the temple being destroyed in 70 AD was an end time prophecy. I always believe that Jesus was referring to a temple in the end of the age of this current world system that would be thrown at his coming. Where is the battle of armageddon or better yet when was it.

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I can only say one thing, too many of us learned how to read but never learned how to understand what we have read. So we take the explanation of others whether right or wrong and fight for it. I have heard preached that there is comming and anti Christ all my life yet there is not one scripture that speaks of and anti Christ comming. Talk about twisting scripture to say what you want it to. I have heard that the Jews will build another temple when there is not one scripture that say that.

All of these teachings are from scriptures taken out of context to teach a doctrine that is based on mans ideas and not sound word of God.

Why tell me do we read the bible different from any other book, bible teacher today do not study a book of the bible from front to back, instead they get out a concordance and look up subjects and make scripture fit the subject they want to teach, taking the meaning out of the context completly.

One big one is the teaching that one must obey the pastor, from Hebrews 13:17. Nowhere in the chapter does the writter imply the kind of obediance preached by most concervitive pastors. Yet men have twisted this one verse to say something that is not even emplyied. Anyone with a greek dictionary can find this in about three miniutes. Just look up the meaning of the word obey in this verse. (hint, it is not the same word as Obey in Ephesians)

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Scripture definitely speaks about a coming anti-christ. Now whether you believe it's past already or still to come is another issue entirely. But here it is:

2 Thess 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 John 4:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

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As for the one passage in the bible that uses the word anti christ, John says that right then is the last time!! and that anti christ shall come (plural) and that even now there are anti christ (plural) Sorry neither of these speak of an anti christ as protraid by dispenstationalism.

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The question is whether or not your understanding of the millennium and antichrist are the proper understanding the bible intended us to know. That is what I asked of myself when I personally studied the issue.

I cannot say if you are of this following type, but I know many ministers and saints who did not personally study the view of prophecy they currently adhere to in order to determine if it really was the truth or not. IOW, who actually took these views we were taught and personally studied the scripture to ensure they were taught correctly?

A minister whom I personally know very well once engaged in dialogue with me about my studies on prophecy when I first started experiencing what I believe was God's correction for my views. I asked this person what they thought about certain details of biblical prophecy, and they consistently indicated that I should speak to Irvin Baxter, and personally refused to actually consider what I was saying himself. I realized many ministers have the idea that prophecy is an issue that ONLY EXPERTS can deal with and comprehend. Anyone else, even a minister, who is not an "expert" should not bother to determine what various views are right or wrong. I realized this minister would not personally weigh out the differences and look for himself into the scriptures that dealt with the particular issues I raised. When I asked WHAT HE THOUGHT, he refused to think about it. He forwarded me to Bro Baxter.

I believe every minister and even every saint of God needs to realize that each of us are MEANT TO GET OUR VIEW FROM THE BIBLE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT "EXPERT" CAN. There are no parts of the Bible that are not meant to be understood by EVERYONE. There are no sections of the Bible that we should consider off-limits except for "experts".

The manner I approached the bible with was to read it as though everyone who ever taught me anything MIGHT BE WRONG. And I would look with my own eyes at the scriptures they interpreted and honestly ask myself if that was what people's interpretations actually were saying. I read it from the perspective that everything I was taught may not necessarily be correct, and as though I had never heard any interpretation before. I read it as though I was allowing the BIBLE to relate to me what it was trying to say, trusting in faith for God to direct me.

Of course, some things I was taught I found to be correct. I found it to be the honest and sincere conclusions I personally would come up with on my own sincere study. And then at times I found that scripture that initially seemed to contradict what I was taught actually did not contradict what I was taught! I thought I found a belief taught to me that was wrong! But then after more careful study, I personally felt I was taught correctly in that issue after all.

What I am trying to say is that WE CANNOT LOOK IN THE BIBLE FOR WHAT WE WERE ALREADY TAUGHT, without allowing the BIBLE TO CORRECT US. My motto below says that most people read the bible to find what they already believe rather than allow the bible to tell them what to believe.

We have to have a love for truth to such an extent that WE ARE WILLING TO CHANGE BELIEFS if it is necessary. MOST WILL NOT DO THAT.

So I said all that to say this: What if your understanding of the antichrist is wrong to begin with? And what if the millennial understanding is also wrong to begin with? Who among us is able to go back and ask themselves WHY they believe what they believe about these two things? Who can determine if what they were taught is actually correct or not? Most do not even THINK to question what they believe, since many believe their teachers cannot be wrong. What if they WERE wrong, though?

Who said God foretold a rebuilt temple just because Jews are seeking to do so? I already indicated that Israel tried rebuilding a temple in the early centuries following the times of the New Testament and earthquakes and fireballs stopped it from occurring. Could it be that God will not allow another temple to be built again? And even if it IS rebuilt, who said it was prophesied in the Bible?

A common mistake is that the bible was talking about the end of time, when in actuality it was called the TIME OF THE END. And "END OF WHAT?" is the question. End of time? Or time of end? if it is the TIME OF THE END, then it is not necessarily the end of time.

I believe the tribulation was the 3.5 years that Nero waged war against the church in the first century. And the end was speaking about the END of the jewish economy and the Old Testament continuance of rituals when Jesus meant it to end at the cross,and Israel continued to engage in it for 40 more years. Nero fought the church for 3.5 years until he finally committed suicide with a sword, just as Rev 13 says the who lives by the sword will die by the sword when talking about the beast.

An d Daniel 7 said there would be FOUR BEASTS -- world kingdoms -- and NOT A FIFTH ONE. They are (1) Babylon, (2) Medo-Persia, (3) Greece and (4) Rome. There was not a fifth beast! There was no beast to come after ROME. And this is not speaking of Catholic Rome but Imperial Rome. In the days of the FOURTH BEAST, the imperial Roman empire, the saints would take the dominion from the beast, and Nero was PRAYED DOWN by the church!

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Been there and done that. ;)

Almost every futurist minister and scholar I know of proposed that part of Matthew 24 was indeed fulfilled in AD70. And they consistently said that the stones of the temple being thrown down was AD70 information. But they claimed the rest was not. A scarce FEW even propose the stones overturned was not AD70. Pretribbers, post tribbers and mid tribbers alike all agree the stones overturned referred to AD70.

Anyway, it does not matter what we "always believed". What we always believed is not right just because we always believed it. :thumbsup

And I used to believe what you do about Armageddon as well. After all, it's the THING to believe today! But I noticed something. The New Testament often used GLOBAL terms such as WORLD and EARTH to actually speak about LOCAL REGIONS ALONE.

Watch this:

Matthew 24:14 KJV And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Most think this refers to the WHOLE WORLD as we know it. However, Paul writes and uses the same words and informs us that THE WHOLE WORLD ALREADY HEARD THE GOSPEL by the time he wrote Colossians.

Colossians 1:5-6 KJV For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; (6) Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Colossians 1:23 KJV If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

We clearly see Paul using ALL THE WORLD and EVERY CREATURE as referring to THE THEN-KNOWN WORLD, and not literally the entire earth. Was Paul wrong? Of course not! That terminology was simply what they used to refer to what they knew as the world. Did God know there was more WORLD than they knew about? Sure He did! But HE STILL INSPIRED PAUL TO WRITE WHAT PAUL WROTE and meant it to refer to the then-known world alone.

Revelation seems to say the whole world is drawn into a battle called Armageddon. But the WHOLE WORLD may have been meant to be the then-known world of the ROMAN EMPIRE made up of all nations in the then-known world. Hence, Rome was a WORLD EMPIRE.

So... could this be what was meant to be understood in Revelation about the battle of Armageddon?

Armageddon literally means MOUNTAIN OF MEGIDDO. There is no actually place or mountain called MOUNTAIN OF MEGIDDO anywhere on earth. MEGIDDO is a valley. And nothing around it is called MOUNTAIN OF MEGIDDO. Yet, Rev 16:16 says there is a place called ARMAGEDDON. So this cannot be literal when say there is a place called mountain of Megiddo.

Anyway, even if there was, the point is that this is a battle between GOOD AND EVIL. We all agree with that. And Rome came down and destroyed Jerusalem. The wars of Rome against Jerusalem, just as Jesus predicted, occurred in the first century. Think of it. THE SAME GENERATION (40 years) of the people of Jerusalem WHO denied and KILLED JESUS. No one sees any significance in that?

Think of Jerusalem. God brought Israel out of Egypt after 430 years of bondage. He took them to Canaan as their promised land, and told them He would choose out a city in Canaan where he might put His name, and it was Jerusalem, formerly called Jebusi. He speaks of Jerusalem as HIS BRIDE in Ezekiel 16, and repeatedly says how she turned into a whore and committed adultery against Him. HIS BRIDE crucifies Him while calling a pagan emperor who thought hew as a god as HER KING!

Jesus distinctly said THOSE IN JUDAEA, not the entire world, had better flee to the mountains when they see Jerusalem surrounded with armies because THOSE IN JUDAEA would face tribulation such as never was nor ever would be again. Why would he tell those in Judaea alone to flee if this was tribulation for the whole planet?

And then, forty years later, ONE GENERATION = 40 YEARS, Rome comes down and razes Jerusalem to the ground and distinctly dismantled every stone because GOLD MELTED and seeped between the stones. And Rome wanted ALL the gold! THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT.

And yet some think that has NO SIGNIFICANCE in prophecy? The BRIDE OF GOD is called a whore over and over again in Ezek 16 and crucifies Jesus, the ones whom Jesus called HIS OWN and received Him not. THAT CITY that was the HQ of God all through the Old Testament and into the New, crucifies the Lord, and calls for a pagan king as her own, and is destroyed in that SAME GENERATION 40 years later, and that has no significance to God?

MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY! :D

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Check out a good online book to read for free called THE GREAT TRIBULATION:

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