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Jermyn Davidson 04-23-2011 09:58 AM
Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Are not (in most part) driven by sincerity-- but by hate and paranoia. Furthermore, Gov Brewer's rejection of "a bridge too far" bills in her state solidify that I am not the only Republican that sees through the lunacy of all of this.


So just in case anyone on AFF missed it, here's a quote fom an article pertinent to the renewed interest in the President's birth place.




What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health.

Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records.


But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.



The article, "SOME OBAMA BIRTH RECORDS MADE PUBLIC FOR YEARS", is linked below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110423/...9tZW9iYW1hYmly

sandie 04-23-2011 10:06 AM
Re: Male Cow Manure Birther Conspiracies....
 
Male cow manure? Really?

That's going to some lengths to not actually say some pretty filthy words aimed at those who disagree with you....

This subject would die it's own death if those who think it's nonsense would let it.

coadie 04-23-2011 10:21 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
I have Hired phD's from Harvard, Columbia Penn. 1 from each school and a Harvard MBA

Their background checks were not an automatic condition of employment. Reference checks were. If one had gotten protective or secretive on a document, I reject them..

One of a couple red flags here is Obama's obstructionism.

Obama's document trail is several times more important for one reason. He lacked a business and employment trackrecord. The Columbia PHD I hired had 1 employer for 15 years. The Ivy league stuff was not very relevant. If I were to snag a liberal reporter and we wrote a resume for Barry, it would have a lot of white spaces. There are a lot of gaps. Obamas popularity is falling and Trumps is too high. It is because Obama is being confronted.

aegsm76 04-23-2011 10:25 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
JD - as stated before, I do not believe the "birther" controversy is worthy of any further discussion.
However, I am intrigued by those who wish to paint anyone who is a birther as driven by hate and paranoia.
This maybe true for 1% of the birthers, but not for the movement.
What I believe drives them is their opinion that almost everything this administration has done is an effort to weaken the nation.
In their effort to understand this, they have decided that the only way this could be is if the President owes his loyalty to another nation/cause.
So, this admin tries to paint them as "racist".
Believe me, if Herman Cain, Condoleezza Rice, or Allen West were President these people would be supporting them.
So, quit trying to paint this as a racial issue.

canam 04-23-2011 03:17 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060282)
Are not (in most part) driven by sincerity-- but by hate and paranoia. Furthermore, Gov Brewer's rejection of "a bridge too far" bills in her state solidify that I am not the only Republican that sees through the lunacy of all of this.


So just in case anyone on AFF missed it, here's a quote fom an article pertinent to the renewed interest in the President's birth place.




What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health.

Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records.


But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.



The article, "SOME OBAMA BIRTH RECORDS MADE PUBLIC FOR YEARS", is linked below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110423/...9tZW9iYW1hYmly
Keep trying to convince yourself JD ,because it aint working on anyone else.

Light 04-23-2011 04:44 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1060295)
JD - as stated before, I do not believe the "birther" controversy is worthy of any further discussion.
However, I am intrigued by those who wish to paint anyone who is a birther as driven by hate and paranoia.
This maybe true for 1% of the birthers, but not for the movement.
What I believe drives them is their opinion that almost everything this administration has done is an effort to weaken the nation.
In their effort to understand this, they have decided that the only way this could be is if the President owes his loyalty to another nation/cause.
So, this admin tries to paint them as "racist".
Believe me, if Herman Cain, Condoleezza Rice, or Allen West were President these people would be supporting them.
So, quit trying to paint this as a racial issue.
Don't be so sure!!

Praxeas 04-23-2011 05:31 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
There was a question of where Obama was born, because his dad is not an American and they had, while his mother was pregnant, left the nation.

That is a legitmate question not having to do with his skin color or the religion of his daddy

sandie 04-23-2011 09:30 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light (Post 1060356)
Don't be so sure!!
Allen West for President! Herman Cain VP!!

:amen

Jermyn Davidson 04-25-2011 07:24 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
I sincerely believe that THREE OR MORE YEARS AGO, when the issue was brought up, it was just an example of dirty politics reaching for straws.

Since it has been OVER THREE YEARS since the matter has been proven by Mr. Obama himself, those with national access who bring it up do so as a way of stirring up groundless suspicion-- playing on the paranoia and hate of some weaker minded Ameicans.

Hate is not always about race.
So stop assuming that my assertion is ONLY ABOUT RACE-- it is not.




I have already stated that I didn't believe the HATE was not all racially motivated-- especially by the national talking heads who continue to try to use this to score points with the paranoid and hateful weaker minded people in this country, who may have racial hate feelings towards our President.

coadie 04-25-2011 08:05 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
JD and the birther movement.

The birther movement began in your liberal Democrat party. I was incubated in early 2008. JD is not honest for blaming conservatives.

The biggest activity to fuel the birth movement was actually push back by your left wing Obama camp in summer 2008.

Again not conservatives.

coadie 04-25-2011 08:05 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
“[The] theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.
“‘Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,’ asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.
“Another early version of the theory, reported by the Chicago Tribune in June 2008, depended on a specious legal theory that was, for a time, the heart of the argument: that Obama was born in Hawaii but had a Kenyan father, and his mother was only 18 years old. Therefore, under existing immigration law, he was not eligible for automatic citizenship upon birth — a claim that depended on an understandable, but incorrect, reading of immigration law. Other theories suggested that Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when he moved to Indonesia or visited Pakistan in violation of a supposed State Department ban as a young man. (There was no such ban.)…
“Ironically, the birther movement didn’t really take off in earnest until the Obama team tried to debunk it.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/2...of-the-day-663

Jermyn Davidson 04-25-2011 08:24 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
So he tried to debunk it and the suspicion grew.

That is what happens as a part of the natural course of rumors.

However, two years and three years later, it isn't Democrats who are bringing it up.

It isn't Democrats that are attempting to use the issue any longer.

After Obama addressed it, the issue eventually began to wane-- only to be stirred up over again by Republicans.


It's 24% or adult Republicans who today really believe the President was born in another country and it's being covered up by some political scheme.

24% of America's weak-minded population believe this garbage because of "conservatives" (loosely called so) of influence continue to stir this pot of boiling filth.

sandie 04-25-2011 09:25 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060516)
So he tried to debunk it and the suspicion grew.

That is what happens as a part of the natural course of rumors.

However, two years and three years later, it isn't Democrats who are bringing it up.

It isn't Democrats that are attempting to use the issue any longer.

After Obama addressed it, the issue eventually began to wane-- only to be stirred up over again by Republicans.


It's 24% or adult Republicans who today really believe the President was born in another country and it's being covered up by some political scheme.

24% of America's weak-minded population believe this garbage because of "conservatives" (loosely called so) of influence continue to stir this pot of boiling filth.
:drama

You're adding fuel to the fire by starting threads and responding.
So, while you're condeming and slamming those who have a different viewpoint...pot meet kettle.

Jermyn Davidson 04-25-2011 11:46 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandie (Post 1060529)
:drama

You're adding fuel to the fire by starting threads and responding.
So, while you're condeming and slamming those who have a different viewpoint...pot meet kettle.
Oh, so u would rather that no one speak on the lunacy of it all while those who fall prey to the nonsense increase?

I'm done with this.


The people who choose to believe this, choose to believe this without regard to common sense.

Esther 04-25-2011 12:56 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060513)
I sincerely believe that THREE OR MORE YEARS AGO, when the issue was brought up, it was just an example of dirty politics reaching for straws.

Since it has been OVER THREE YEARS since the matter has been proven by Mr. Obama himself, those with national access who bring it up do so as a way of stirring up groundless suspicion-- playing on the paranoia and hate of some weaker minded Ameicans.

Hate is not always about race.
So stop assuming that my assertion is ONLY ABOUT RACE-- it is not.




I have already stated that I didn't believe the HATE was not all racially motivated-- especially by the national talking heads who continue to try to use this to score points with the paranoid and hateful weaker minded people in this country, who may have racial hate feelings towards our President.
Really JD anyone disagrees with you is now considered weaker minded?

Jermyn Davidson 04-25-2011 02:09 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1060653)
Really JD anyone disagrees with you is now considered weaker minded?
In this situation, the folks I am referring to are weaker minded, not simply because they disagree with me, but because of what it is they choose to agree with or to be suspicious of in the face of facts that have already been presented and confirmed by more than a couple of sources.

It's not about me, it's all about them.

coadie 04-25-2011 02:41 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1060653)
Really JD anyone disagrees with you is now considered weaker minded?
Weak minded.

coadie 04-25-2011 02:45 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060694)
In this situation, the folks I am referring to are weaker minded, not simply because they disagree with me, but because of what it is they choose to agree with or to be suspicious of in the face of facts that have already been presented and confirmed by more than a couple of sources.

It's not about me, it's all about them.
Weak minded draw conclusions, as in your case with a lot of emotion and avoid facts.

I wouldn't buy a used car if they refused to let me see the title.

sandie 04-25-2011 06:08 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060613)
Oh, so u would rather that no one speak on the lunacy of it all while those who fall prey to the nonsense increase?

I'm done with this.


The people who choose to believe this, choose to believe this without regard to common sense.
A conversation takes two sides. You have to decide if you'd rather be a part of the solution or part of the problem.

Esther 04-25-2011 06:11 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060694)
In this situation, the folks I am referring to are weaker minded, not simply because they disagree with me, but because of what it is they choose to agree with or to be suspicious of in the face of facts that have already been presented and confirmed by more than a couple of sources.

It's not about me, it's all about them.
I think those that believe his BC is legit may live in a bubble. No one in his right mind spends millions of dollars to keep his BC hidden PLUS his college papers.

He is NOT transparent at all. He LIED about that.:foottap

coadie 04-25-2011 07:01 PM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1060779)
I think those that believe his BC is legit may live in a bubble. No one in his right mind spends millions of dollars to keep his BC hidden PLUS his college papers.

He is NOT transparent at all. He LIED about that.:foottap
Us old folks used to call that a red flag. In Politicall correctness, raising a red flag is the sin of not being "progressive".

coadie 04-28-2011 10:58 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060282)
Are not (in most part) driven by sincerity-- but by hate and paranoia. Furthermore, Gov Brewer's rejection of "a bridge too far" bills in her state solidify that I am not the only Republican that sees through the lunacy of all of this.


So just in case anyone on AFF missed it, here's a quote fom an article pertinent to the renewed interest in the President's birth place.




What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health.

Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records.


But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.



The article, "SOME OBAMA BIRTH RECORDS MADE PUBLIC FOR YEARS", is linked below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110423/...9tZW9iYW1hYmly
Those documents complement newspaper birth announcements published soon after Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth and a "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign three years ago, the only type of birth certificate the state issues.

Your link and you were wrong. Obama apparently released something many people deny existed.

coadie 04-28-2011 11:45 AM
Re: Crazy Birther Conspiracies....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1060282)
Are not (in most part) driven by sincerity-- but by hate and paranoia. Furthermore, Gov Brewer's rejection of "a bridge too far" bills in her state solidify that I am not the only Republican that sees through the lunacy of all of this.


So just in case anyone on AFF missed it, here's a quote fom an article pertinent to the renewed interest in the President's birth place.




What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health.

Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records.


But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.



The article, "SOME OBAMA BIRTH RECORDS MADE PUBLIC FOR YEARS", is linked below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110423/...9tZW9iYW1hYmly
Those documents complement newspaper birth announcements published soon after Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth and a "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign three years ago, the only type of birth certificate the state issues.

Your link and you were wrong. Obama apparently released something many people deny existed.


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