Is Bin Laden in a burnin hell?
 

Muslims (many) will say he is in heaven enjoying having sex with 21 virgins (how when his body is at the bottem of the ocean I will never know)

Others say he is rotting in hell

Perhaps UCs say God will forgive him and welcome him lovingly into his arms...

What say ye?

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OBL has a lot to answer for....!! But the "fire" of the presence of the Almighty can handle the job.

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I don't know whether he is or not. But, I know he is in the hands of a just God.

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We believe, live and preach a Gospel. He did not live by that Gospel and the Bible tells the end of those that "obey" not the Gospel. We either believe what we preach or we don't.

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He is not in a burning Hell. Like all men who die he will now sleep the sleep of death until his resurrection. Then he will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone because he refused Yeshua as his Messiah.

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According to the Bible, he is suffering right now.

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I think he repented and "baptized" himself, at the last second. Probably spoke in "tongues", too. :lol

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I'd say that 21 virgins to have sex with would be hell regardless of where he is.

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uhhhh.....

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You think the UCs will be the ones to cut him slack? HAHAHAHAHAHA :laffatu

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I meant URs

Scripture please.

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Bin Laden was buried at sea.

20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The second death will happen to him in its time.

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So suffering can be a form of eternal life which is a promise only to the believer?

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Death is not non-existence.

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Scriptures dealing with hell. If you are implying soul sleep is your version of theology regarding death, I neither have the time nor interest in debating against it.

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Every person is dead to begin,death passed to all men thanks to Adam,death can be separation from God.If Bin Laden did not have the Holy Ghost He is was dead to begin with in the eyes of God.Jesus came to bring eternal LIFE to dead people.A child of God never dies.I do not think Bin Laden had the Holy Ghost.

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You did not address my statement. Death is not non-existence. So, existing in suffering is not eternal life as opposed to death.

Hell has fire as does the lake of fire. Hell is cast into the lake of fire. From one source of fire to the next. So those who will be cast into the lake of fire are now in the fire of hell.

FIRE OF HELL: Mark 9:47 KJV ...to be cast into hell fire:

Deuteronomy 32:22 KJV For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


FIRE OF LAKE OF FIRE: Revelation 20:14 KJV And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

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The burial at sea counts as a baptism, doesn't it?

Besides, wasn't he living up to all the light he had?

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Dare I say I don't wish Hell (eternal torment) on anyone?

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How do we know he wasn't Baptized in Jesus Name, Repented, and spoke in Tongues right before the BIG bullet?????? :hunter:lol

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How do you know he didn't accept, as you put it, Yeshua? Get off the Throne, Mike!

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I think he is in TSA HELL - being made to take off his shoes, jacket, belt, watch, jewelry and being searched from head to toe by the TSA and touched & fondled in private places after going through 100,000 X-RAY machines a day with his hands lifted up over his head and then being searched and groped again and again and again by the TSA perverts.
I resent Osama Bin Laden and the TSA and this horrible intrusion into our privacy. Every time I go through security it upsets me that this ONE MAN was the root and cause of this invasion into our lives and the cause of many thousands that are now dead.
He will be judged by Almighty God and found GUILTY and will burn forever and ever and ever for his Godless, Evil and Wicked ways.

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Maybe before he was killed, he just got back from an UPCi camp meeting where he obeyed Acts 2:38?

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Well, I certainly believe what I preach and I voted "Neither/Other."

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MiketheDisc's Bible seems to read a little differently than yours.

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Well, we have one consolation - our political leanings line up pretty well. :heeheehee

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I voted neither or other... he is with the 72 Virginians:


After getting a SEAL bullet through his brains, Osama made his way
to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington.

"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr.
Washington, slapping Osama in the face.

Patrick Henry comes up from behind. "You wanted to end the
Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches
Osama on the nose.

James Madison comes up next, and says "This is why I allowed
the Federal government to provide for the common defense!"
He drops a large weight on Osama's knee.

Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of
Roanoke, James Monroe, and 65 other people who have the
same love for liberty and America. As he writhes on the ground,
Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate
where he is to be judged.

As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination,
he screams "This is not what I was promised!"

An angel replies "I told you there would be 72 Virginians
waiting for you idiot. What did you think I said?"

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:thumbsup

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What does the Bible have to say about it?

It is clear that he has gone on to his reward....

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:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

:thumbsup

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:heeheehee - - sorry, I had to laugh at this one!

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Yes. Some versions must not contain references to hell fire.

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Well, I don't think we'll know until we talk to the Navy SEALs that were in that room.

If he was Allahu Akbaring :guns before he was shot, then he probably died a Muslim. If he yelled 'Save me Jesus!' :praying, then maybe he met a missionary or received a revelation and was converted. It's been a while since his last video, you know. Perhaps he was saved since then...? :nah Slim chances, but hey it's possible.

Ok, on the subject of Hell - how does Luke 16:19-31 relate to the afterlife? Looking at this story, I don't believe this is metaphorical or allegorical. I think Jesus is talking about something that really happened. This would indicate we enter directly into some sort of reward after we die - we don't just drift off into sleep until the judgement day. Apparently we do enter into either torment or rest, and we are aware that we are in torment or rest.

Obviously this isn't the Lake of Fire. Revelations 20:14,15 say Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire... not entirely sure what this means, but it indicates they are separate from the Lake of Fire, and that chronologically the Lake of Fire comes afterwards. So it sounds to me like sinners die, enter Hell (torment), are judged after the Second Coming, and then those whose names are not found in the Book of Life are thrown into the Lake of Fire (along with Death and Hell).

I'm not implying any thing. You made a statement and I just asked for scriptures.

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Can someone explain to me why the 21 virgins should be punished?

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No sense in debating the issue. The polling shows that no one believes it. :toofunny

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And where do the virgins come from? Why virgins? That has to be a left over relic of the desert bandit mindest (Sorry WII). Is that a spiritual kingdom/heaven or a carnal one?

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Well lets see, 1.)Mohammad stubles around in the desert for a while then comes back with the muslim revelations given to him by Alla speaking to him from a rock .............. 2.)Maryjewanna was found in the Bin Laden compound.


Heck, give me a couple pounds of maryjane and put me out in the desert for awhile I would probably come back with a few religious revelations too.

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This article is from pages 10 and 11 of the December 2008 issue of The Pentecostal Herald which arrived in my mail on November 24, 2008.

Where Are the Dead?
by David Norris
Some years ago I took a university class that examined how philosophers sought to prove the existence of God. The course surveyed numerous philosophers, and in the end we read a book written by the professor himself. As we began to discuss his book, the professor made a heart rendering profession, a confession, no doubt influenced by the recent loss of his wife to cancer. He offered, “If I knew that there was something after this life, something that made sense of all the suffering in this world, then I am quite certain I could believe in God.” Such a statement is telling. The professor’s whole belief system was linked to his view of life after death. Arguably, every religious tradition must speak to the question of suffering and must in some sense address the question of life after death. Further, people do not merely ask, “Is there life after death?” They want specific details as to the reality that a person experiences when he dies. Significantly, not only does the Bible give considerable attention to this important question, it is not too much to say that the Bible proclaims life beyond this world as the ultimate reality.

The Old Testament provides an important foundation as to what happens to people who die. There was an understanding among the Jewish people in covenant relationship with God that they would “rest” with their fathers. (See Genesis 47:30; Deuteronomy 31:16; 2 Samuel 7:12). Further, the Old Testament does not merely speak of death only in terms of “rest.” The Hebrew word that refers to the place of the dead is “sheol.” Some times the word is translated “pit”; other times, it is translated “grave”; often it is translated as “hell.” Yet, even when rendering the word “sheol” as “hell,” the translators of the King James Version did not intend to present sheol merely as a universal place of torment. Rather, the teaching of the Old Testament is that all dead, whether good or bad, went to sheol.

Jesus taught in some detail about the abode of the dead in Luke chapter 16. He explained how that in the Old Testament afterlife, both the good and bad existed in a single place. First, Jesus described the death of a man named Lazarus, about whom He reported no moral failing. Jesus explained that Lazarus was carried by angels to a place of comfort, a place which He termed “Abraham’s bosom.” Jesus contrasted the fate of Lazarus with another man, a rich man whose miserly ways were apparently indicative of a broader lifestyle wholly given to selfish living. When the rich man died, he too was brought to this same abode of the dead, but there was a considerable gulf between where Lazarus was being comforted and where the rich man undoubtedly was suffering. Jesus made it clear that not only was the chasm between the rich man to Lazarus not negotiable, He explained as well that the chasm between the abode of the dead and the place of the living was not negotiable either. Neither the rich man nor an emissary could return to earth with a message.

There are several points that become clear by Jesus’ teaching. First, those who die have consciousness. When the Bible speaks of the “sleep” of one who has died, it has reference to his body. Certainly from a human perspective, it hardly seems possible to speak of the bodies of those who die as “sleeping.” Physical bodies decay and disintegrate into the dust of the earth. Yet, so certain is the power of God to reconstitute things that have perished that the Bible can refer to the death of our bodies as merely “sleep;”

There is a second important point that can be understood from this teaching by Jesus: what happens in this life affects life after death. For some, this idea is so distasteful that they argue that one cannot take seriously the teaching of Jesus in this instance because He was merely telling a parable. Such a critique is unfounded, however, because even when Jesus told parables, He only narrated events that had their basis in fact. He told of farmers and bridegrooms and widows who needed to be avenged. He told of things that existed He never created realities that were not, in fact, true.

It is God who appoints “unto men once to die” (Hebrews 9:27), and it is God who closes the curtain between the dead and the living. (See Ecclesiastes 9:5) Yet, some people seek to bypass God’s prerogatives by attempting to gain knowledge of the dead through alternate measures. The Bible makes clear that fortunetellers, seances, and necromancers are not to be visited. (See Leviticus 19:31; 20:6; Deuteronomy 18:11). Those who attempt to cross into the hereafter by such means are actually trafficking in the realm of evil spirits. Only one thing can be expected: deceit. Real information about the state of the dead can reliably come from only one source: the Bible.

While the Old Testament offers only glimpses of life after death, the New Testament is replete with such information. The difference between the two testaments occurs for a very important reason; while the Old Testament anticipates only the effect of Jesus’ work on Calvary, the New Testament realizes its fruition. Calvary’s victory was total and complete. Not only was Jesus’ death effectual in taking away our sin; it was also effectual in loosening Satan’s power in the afterlife. Underlying the Gospel narrative is a conflict between Satan and Jesus (Matthew 4:1-11), a conflict that Jesus would win. (See John 14:30). Sadly, prior to the cross, Satan consistently tormented people to fear death. (See Hebrews 2:14-15). The triumph of the cross allowed that because of the work of Jesus, satan’s power over death was broken. (See Hebrews 2:15). When Jesus was dying, He proclaimed, “It is finished.” He was not only speaking as the One sacrificed Himself in our stead; Jesus’ proclamation was also like that of a conquering general who had defeated his foe.

The New Testament records significant events associated with the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus. The psalmist prophesied that before Jesus ascended into heaven, He would first descend triumphantly to sheol --hades in the New Testament-- and ascend, taking with Him a whole host of those who had been “captive” (Psalm 68:18; Ephesians 4:8-10). Thus, when the victory of the cross was accomplished, Jesus descended to the abode of the dead and boldly proclaimed (“preached”) His total victory over Satan (1 Peter 3:19). In demonstration of His conquest, He made an open show of the devil, mocking and humiliating him. (See Colossians 2;15). Jesus then claimed for Himself the keys of death and hell. (See Revelation 1:18). Finally, Jesus ascended to paradise, but He did not do so alone. Jesus took with Him those who in the Old Testament had lived in covenant relationship with God.

Twenty times in the Old Testament it refers to descending to sheol or as sheol being “down.” in the New Testament, when writers described paradise they referred to it as up. (See 2 Corinthians 12:4). Whereas the Old Testament was oblique in its pronouncements of life after death, Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would that day be with Him in paradise. (See Luke 23:43.) Indeed, the New Testament celebrates that those who die will immediately be ushered into the presence of the Lord. Paul professed, “to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Certainly the Bible has more to say about life after death than what we can address in this short article. And even if we would survey all the biblical passages related to life after death, there are still some things that we cannot know this side of the curtain of death. (See 1 Corinthians 1;12.) Yet, what we do know is enough. We do know that this life is merely the vestibule of eternity, the antechamber to the hereafter. We know that compared to eternity, even severe and prolonged suffering is just “light affliction ... for a moment” (2 Corinthians 4:17). And finally, we know that the Bible’s invitation to faith is actually an invitation to hope. If you are a hurting person, the church is still inviting, Jesus is still saving, and heaven is still waiting for you.