Is It Wrong To Call Jesus Yeshua?
 

Some on this forum cant bear Jesus being called Yeshua. My poll question is does it bother you when someone calls the Messiah "Yeshua"?

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It makes no difference to me. For some, it's a red flag. :) Today you say "Yeshua" and tomorrow you're wearing a kippah.

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If you are a Hebrew and you speak, read and write Hebrew, have at it! If you do not - then why on earth would an English speaking person use it. His name in English is NOT Yeshua or Yoshua or the hundreds of ways that someone could say it is or pronounce it.
I have heard all the arguments and about the LETTER J and it all just seems so overboard. I keep saying when approached with it all - What is the POINT of it? We speak English and I am not going to learn Hebrew and start baptizing in a Hebrew name and get all weird about it. I have been around weird most of my life and I am tired of WEIRD!

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"LIKE" :happydance

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Basically, why bother? It appears elitist.

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That is what most of us have tried to get away from an elitist and sectarian movement. These guys get on the radio here in Atlanta that were "Apostolic" and they sound like two hillbillies from the sticks that do not have an ounce of education and scream and yell about that JESUS means a DOG and the J word was not even invented 400 years ago and all kinds of absolutely crazy and weird things about YESHUA and now they are fighting about how to pronounce it or spell it and it is just WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD!
The truth is - they get weirder and people that get into all that get weirder all the time.
Come on guys - Get away from WEIRD!

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It only concerns me because often those that use it are the same ones that insist it's wrong to say "Jesus"

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Agreed. And if MTD does not think it is wrong to say JESUS, then why not get away from the appearance of that and say Jesus as much as Yehshua?

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Thats what the Baptists say about the Pentecostals. Thats what the Pentecostals say about the Apostolics.

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I think I brought that up before. For some reason MTD does that. He will stop saying Jesus and start saying Yeshua. Im not sure why

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This is different. I think you know it is different. Baptists vs. Pentecostals are not the same as people who insist on using Hebrew names.

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Mike,

I have been talking to you on the internet since 2000. I have possibly addressed you as much as anyone. You should know that this is already true. I am on record on this Forum using the name of Jesus probably thousands of times.

I sure cant figure WHY people think one is some elitist or WIERD as ab says just because you want to ALSO call Jesus by the name his mother, friends, and apostles called him by.

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No it is not different at all. I use Hebrew names. I have NEVER told anyone here that THEY should.

And yet almost every time I use the name Yeshua someone if not more than one person ridicules it.

So ON THAT BASIS I would say it is YOU ALL who are ELITISTS! Think about it. Here you and at least one other in the last two days telling me NOT to call the Messiah Yeshua but I must call him Jesus!

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This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

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Why is it wrong for me to call Jesus Yeshua but its ok to call the English word LORD, YAHWEH? Is it elitist to call the English word LORD....YAHWEH?

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It is not Jesus in Greek. Jesus is the English transliteration of the Greek. So you feel that the name the Messiah was born with sanctioned by Gabriel the Angel is lost? So the Lord lost his own name? The one that is above every name? The only name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved?

Oh ok it just got lost.

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One is using a substitute of a name out of respect for him. LORD instead of YHVH.
The other, is using a "translation" of a different language then your own.

When you switch languages, you are implying that it MUST BE the correct usage.

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Ok LORD is a substitute name for YAHWEH and not in any way shape or form his name and its ok to call him that?

So then if someone DARES come out the the box and call YAHWEH by his own name would they not be AN ELITIST according to you all?

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I disagree. His name was not lost. Yeshua was a common name back then. We've even discovered archeological evidence of the Aramaic Yeshua in use during that time.

Etymologically Jesus comes from the Latin Iesus. That comes from the Greek Iesous. That etymologically comes from the Aramaic Yeshua

Yeshua means Yahweh saves...so does Iesous

In the LXX, written before Jesus was born, the Greek Iesous was used for Yeshua (Joshua)

18 sn The Greek form of the name Iēsous, which was translated into Latin as Jesus, is the same as the Hebrew Yeshua (Joshua), which means “Yahweh saves” (Yahweh is typically rendered as “Lord” in the OT). It was a fairly common name among Jews in 1st century Palestine, as references to a number of people by this name in the LXX and Josephus indicate.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Mt 1:21). Biblical Studies Press.

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No lying, please. I have consistently aid IT appears, and you ignore that emphasis every time. You are not getting it. APPEARS means it may not be the case, but you come across a certain way. See now?

It takes effort to do what you are doing. Everyone pretty well uses JESUS, and when you do not it makes everyone think you are protesting something whether you are or not. And the biblical way is to abandon such a position if it is influencing people the negative way if there really is no difference in it. It's like refusing to eat meat while the world stands if it offends someone. I AM NOT OFFENDED NOR BOTHERED IN THE LEAST. Got it this time? It's just that I know how you ARE COMING ACROSS. So if there really is no difference to you, then stop doing what raises attention. Simple.

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Now it comes out! THIS is the issue at long last. THAT is why we NOW believe you are wrong. It DOES matter to you. Your whole concept of the proper pronunciation from a certain language is based upon insistence that the NAME be not lost, which is not the case whatsoever. It is yet another example of OUTWARD EMPHASIS -- something the flesh can relate to in terms of sound waves or ink on paper or pixels on screens.

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I believe I stated that in the "other thread" that got this one started.
Yeshua was not the only variation of "Yahweh Saves". That was my only point. There is no 100% proof that it was Yeshua and not Yehoshua. But we are 100% sure that it was the Greek name Iēsous.

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I'll just go with "Joshua."

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I have no problem with it at all UNLESS those who use it make it a test of fellowship etc.

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Its so simple. Because I like using the English Jesus. And I like using the Hebrew/Aramaic Yeshua. I like it because it is the original. I have never said or even thought I dont like the name Jesus. I have said this many times.

Apparently the elitists who command that Yeshua NOT be used are elite over the English name.

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What if those like myself who have never insisted or even suggested anyone here to use Yeshua cant get through a thread without someone ridiculing the name? Does anyone have a problem with THAT?

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I prefer to not use it for the reasons I have stated, and for those that are "re-baptizing".

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You would probably be mocked to scorn.

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And we are 100 percent sure it was not Jesus. Yeshua or Yehoshua would be closer than the English Jesus if someone cared.

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the comment was tic... but I really don't care who mocks me. The movement is full of tradition and false doctrine... preachers, prophets, and pupils who can't discern the difference between a prophecy and a fortune cooke.

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It was not Yehoshua. Yeshua was used instead of Yehoshua after the Exile. Iesous is the translation of Yeshua not Yehoshua

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Hey guys, I speak yoruba, a language in Nigeria. We call Jesus Christ "Jesu Kristi". Miracles have/do occur in the precious of name of Jesu Kristi. It ain't about the hebrew name. It's about faith in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have to say, we have argued about godhead, water baptism, clothes, but about the proper pronunciation of Jesus Christ, whew! That takes the cake for me.

Why don't we focus on walking in the Spirit. The arguments are just fleshly arguments. It doesn't edify in the least bit...

You wanna say Yeshua, go for it . Jesus loves you.
You wanna say Jesus, go for it. Jesus loves you

For whosoever will call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved...

Seriously, I'm in need of some spiritual solid food and I just can't stand the fact that we're arguing over stuff like this.

C'mon guys, let's focus on Jesus. Let's put Jesus where he belongs on top as King of kings and Lord of lords...

I'm starving for REAL Spiritual food...

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What??? Did I ever say it did not matter to me? I doubt it. I probably said what I have always said that it is by no means wrong to call Yeshua by his English name Jesus. Obviously it matters to me to call him by his original name best as we can discern it.

Actually its not based on that the name cannot be lost its based on THERE WAS A NAME. A name given by Gabriel the Archangel from YHWH for the naming of his Son. It was not an English name. It was not a Greek name. It was a Hebrew/Aramaic name.

When he was on Earth his friends and family called him by it. The Apostles preached it and prayed to him through it. Peter said there was no other name whereby we must be saved.

Thats the point. Its important to YHWH.

As a side issue it certainly would be ridiculous to think that the greatest man who ever lived who himself was YHWH manifest in the flesh would allow the New Testament Church to forget or lose his name.

We know the name of Abraham dont we? How about Moses or Noah? They were much further back in time than Yeshua. Yet he who was far greater than them has somehow lost his name or does not care if anyone knows it or not.:heeheehee

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Are you sure it's not Yeshua we need to focus on. :-P

Anyways, I do not think any of us were arguing. This thread was a carry of of me asking MTD why he uses Yeshua. I have had those people that would noly use THAT name, and that being baptized in the name of Jesus is a heresy.

Obviously MTD does not believe that.

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:thumbsup

Anyways, I do not think any of us were arguing. This thread was a carry of of me asking MTD why he uses Yeshua. I have had those people that would noly use THAT name, and that being baptized in the name of Jesus is a heresy.

Obviously MTD does not believe that.[/QUOTE]

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Why not tell that to those who cannot allow the name Yeshua in a thread without attacking it? I have never attacked them over the name of Jesus which I have used myself here thousands of times.

They are the elitists. They are the attackers. I was TRYING to teach about the Oneness of God.

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I personally thought they were over reacting Michael. Unless you make it a test of fellowship or say those who disagree don't have a valid baptism, I think there is plenty of room to believe and practice what some see as a more "original" pronunciation. It is acceptable IMO.

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MTD, I for one do not think you're imposing that we MUST call our Lord and savior Yeshua. However, you have to understand like blume said that it APPEARS to be elitist in that you use the Jewish name. You also claim that's what his friends and apostles called him. By saying that's what the apostles called him, (also keep in mind we're all contending for the faith once delivered to the saints), it APPEARS like you are doing what the apostles did while we are not doing what the apostles did.

Again, I'm not saying you're looking down on us for saying Jesus, but when you type in english and then say Yeshua, it carries a connotation of "I have the original and you don't"

I hope you understand what I'm saying. No attack bro, none at all...

Also, you should keep in mind that there are some groups that INSIST on the hebraic/aramaic name to be called upon. These groups (from my experience) tend to be overly sympathetic with the Jewish roots of christianity to the extent of almost Judaizing christians.

So when we look at all these things in perspective, you should be able to see why some people have reacted the way they did...

Like the Apostle Paul said, Am I not free?
Ofcourse you're free to call the Lord Yeshua. However, I would that we do things to seek for the edification of others. If you go on street evangelism, you would not be saying Yeshua to the average joe. Jesus is more known than Yeshua, right?

Since, for the most part, a majority of us on this forum speak english, things go more smoothly if we just stick with Jesus Christ.

Just my thoughts FWIW...

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I heard it was .

Yashua????? not Yeshua.. hehe


:aaa

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Thanks for your thoughts Bro. I have encountered the Judaizers you mention. They do much damage in several ways.

Now how about the use of YAHWEH instead of using the English word LORD? If one decides to step out and use the NAME instead of what we know is merely 4 letters not related to God are they ELITISTS?

Should they continue to call YHWH "LORD" or are they ok with using his name?