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I just watched this video and was hoping for honest opinions of how this stands up to the Word of God and how you feel about the message?

You can forward pass the worship service, if you so desire.

I do not write this to be confrontational, just wonder about others' thoughts...

IMO...I found a few quotes to be interesting and difficult:

"Facebook is a cesspool for backslidden Pentecostals"

"I am so sick of people coming through the same prayer line, over and over and over..."

"Love everybody…I get so sick of that nonsense, I am so drunk on love…."

http://facknoxville.com/2011/05/15/the-smitten-rock/

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My connection is a bit slow here -and I'm at work, but I'll watch it tonight and give my 3 cents. :)

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Thought I recognized the church. Pastor McCool.

"Facebook is a cesspool for back-slid-en Pentecostals"

Think you left out why he said that. When people turn to Facebook to compel their problems, when they should get on their knees before their maker. When they whine, cry and gossip on Facebook, when they should be talking to God. Don't just take one line from a message and talk about it, explain the whole thing. All he is saying, is that all he is seeing on Facebook is a bunch of back-slid-en Pentecostals, rather then an over coming people.

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He is right on for some people I am sure.... and for others he is wrong I am sure.

It is astigmatism of Pentecostal Preachers to simplify things and this is a case in point. If someone is trashing the preachers on facebook it goes without saying - it's not productive... so what is the point? Facebook or any other venue should not be used for evil or gossip. We don't need to trash facebook or the evening supper table... Just resist the evil speaking wherever it be found.


God's LOVE and Holiness is at odds???

Whatever. I think I just don't like to be yelled at... LOL!

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Hey ladybug, welcome aboard!! I see you are new.

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A double, AMEN!

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The point of me not quoting the whole message is the reason I added the link for the entire service. These were the areas of interest in quotations to get feedback not to mislead anyone or cast judgement. If I would have put the minister's name and just put that quote then I would have been misleading. I just wanted your opinions on this message in those areas.

Yes, I am new on this forum and thank you for your welcome.

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Started watching.

<sigh>
All the preachers sitting on their thrones behind the main speaker still drives me bonkers.

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This guy reminds me a little of a much better looking James Carville.

I have to put the audio on in the background. The preachers on their thrones nodding their approval at all the catch phrases is driving me bonkers (which I know I said already but it is still true).

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OK, I had to stop watching before I even got to any of the listed quotes. I could not take the "preachin!" for one more minute.

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Absolute AGONY & TORMENT to watch! So scripted - like robots. Professional Programmed Pentecostals - YUK!
I could not go to a church like that it would drive me crazy!
They act like they have NO IDEA they are on camera - making faces, talking back and forth, I mean I am not trying to be ugly here but they looked and acted like morons!
Someone needs to FORCE them to watch themselves - I HATED IT!

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I did not hear the quotes either - that guy with all the types & shadows, tabernacle stuff gave me the hibby gibby's. I could not stand anymore either.
The guys in the background looking at stuff, making faces, whispering to one another, it was horrible - DID I SAY HORRIBLE!
PITIFUL and I am a very positive person - but I mean that stuff is so outdated and old school. I am shocked that they have a crowd.

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While the "preachin!" was nothing but pure canned pentecostal fluff, I could not get around the preachers in the background on their thrones talking amongst themselves but still shaking an approving fist and nodding in agreement whenever a catch phrase was uttered. I could not help but think of the video clip of Bill Clinton that Rush has shown again and again where he is talking nonchalantly at memorial service but the moment he sees the camera on him, instantly sheds a tear. It is THAT programmed into their behavior.

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I tried to watch a little more of it but I can't. Sad and they think that is "THE TRUTH"! Lord have mercy!

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maybe the preacher is unhappy because somebody de-friended him facebook.

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Not sure if he has a Facebook account... but I know he is on twitter. Of course he was probably talking about other people anyway.

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I remember seeing that when I was in middle school... burned a lasting impression in my mind. "Don't trust democrats." J/k

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Thanks for all the input! I am sorry that the service was so long but I was really looking for input on the quotes provided...I am going to put the minutes so you can pull the bar to the section, if this would make it easier. Thanks and God Bless!

"Facebook is a cesspool for backslidden Pentecostals"~1 hour 9 mins and a little thereafter - not too important

"Love everybody…I get so sick of that nonsense, I am drunk on love…"~1 hour 13 mins-1 hour 17 mins

"I am so sick of people coming through the same prayer line, over and over and over..."1 hour 18 mins-1 hour 26 mins

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I didn't like the music.

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Pretty standard preaching, IMO. I chuckled each time he cracked his voice.

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Note to preachers:

1. Don't try to preach everything you know in one sermon. There will be other services. Stick to the message and the message will "stick" in the minds of those who listen.

2. Don't preach to the preachers to get their approval. You've already got their approval or you wouldn't be preaching in their church. Direct you message to those in front of you, not to those sitting behind you.

3. Don't refer to Facebook as a "cesspool of backslidden Pentecostals" when the church you are preaching in has a Facebook (and a Twitter) page!

4. We get the message. We are still hungry and thirsty, not because its Moses (the preachers) fault, but its our fault because we still love Egypt. Or maybe it IS the preachers fault because he's trying to feed us yesterdays Manna and we're having to drink stagnant water. Give us some MEAT of the Word and we won't be hungry! Give us some of that LIVING water.

5. Sick of love? The very thing Jesus said would identify us as His disciples? Sick of praying people thru and having them come thru the prayer line over and over again? Could it be that the reason we have to pray for them over and over again is #4? . Maybe we need to get in the prayer line ourselves because we are SICK... sick of love.

6. An altar call that last more than 5 minutes is a waste of time. Get to the point. If it last more than 5 minutes.... you've done lost their attention.

7. Worn and tired cliches are just that... worn and tired. And, they are just cliches.


But, then again, maybe I should keep my opinions to myself.

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:thumbsup I thought it was a great post! That whole platform bunch needs someone to come in there and teach them how to act like they have good sense. There is no excuse for how stupid they acted.

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:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

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He sure acts like he is mad at somebody and knows more than anybody! I feel sorry for that guy. He is stuck in a mess - looks like he might have married into all that and will probably never get out of it. SAD!

Looking at this makes me so thankful that I escaped out of all that! It seems so old and antiquated. Makes me glad I got OUT of it!

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Thanks, One Accord! This was the exact type of info I was looking to receive.
I hope it was not too difficult.

Thanks to everyone else for all the comments, also. I appreciate everyones time and input.

I would welcome any other opinions, as well!

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Ladybug, what are your thoughts? Were you there? Was it well received?

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Standard for what?

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Excellent synopsis. :thumbsup

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I preface this response with this is my opinion and I am not a confrontational person just one who strives for truth. I also apologize because it is a BOOK! :heeheehee

Thanks for the inquiry, Hoovie. No, I was not in attendance as I am looking at churches in Knoxville, as I may possibly be attending in that city.

I did not write this for opinions to talk about any pastor or church. This video was just too difficult for me to let go. I wanted to confirm what I heard in this message or if it was just my feelings. I do not believe in tearing down a person or church. I just have a hard time with harshness. If you put your church on the worldwide web, you should be able to win the lost with your message. I did not feel this would win the lost or encourage the saints to live above sin.

From what I could hear, it sounded like people backed whatever was said but you cannot see the entire congregation or know the hearts of men. I have been in churches where people are afraid not to yell out because they might be isolated, so you never know.

I agree with One Accord's synopsis and I agree with Atlanta Bishop that he does seem angry (not righteous anger, either).

I was once similar to this (4th generation as a matter of fact) who lost my way for a few years, but found my way back to God, a much more effective witness, if I might add. The only thing that brought me to Him, because I have seen some things which have been unbelievable, was His love. I believe in doctrine or I would not be looking for a church like this but you will win noone by your doctrine, you must show them God's love to present the doctrine and I am not talking about standards.

When you cannot put yourself in the shoes of others, you become harsh to the point of no longer being effective. Our goal is to see everyone we can saved even if they be a backslidden saint, a lost and dying sinner or a saint going through discouragement. We should never be SICK of anyone. If we are, we are saying, we don't care if you go to hell because you are a repeat offender. Thank God, He does not do that with anyone of us. As I watched this video, I could not help but think what a pastor is called, a Shepherd. I also think of the story of the ninety and nine. He left the ninety and nine to go after the ONE who was lost. He did not say I am sick of you getting lost or coming through this prayer line, week after week, STAY LOST. Thank God for His Amazing Grace!

I have watched some videos that would shock even the staunchest. I have seen pastors telling their saints to not talk to new converts or backsliders about standards, just wait till you get to know them and then you can tell them what they are doing wrong and what they should wear or not wear. You just told the world what you plan on doing. I think sometimes they think only their congregation or people like them watch their videos. What about relocaters or unchurched people? On the other hand, not in this area, I have seen church videos which make me cry and I felt the presence of the Lord. As a matter of fact, I think I will paste one here to show the contrast. Btw, I do not know this church so I cannot endorse it, just the video to the world touched my heart and I could see how someone who does not or does know the Lord, might want to join this service.

http://www.clsconnect.org/#/media/4544742559

I understand the above video is not the weekly message but if you are going to show all of your messages, then you need your message to reach someone other than the people on the platform behind you or the saints in your seats, who may or may not be afraid to disagree. From an “outsiders” perspective, this message did not reach saints or sinners. We are to be salt and light!

Sorry Hoovie, you can’t get me started :blah…thanks again, everyone. I have been on your forum for years, just reading…I covet your prayers for our family as we endeavor to make decisions and find a home church. God Bless!

PS In regards to the Facebook comment, I just thought that was funny because you can share their message link on Facebook so it must have some good use or maybe a backslidden Pentecostal should share the web links on Facebook?? Just kiddin’ :thumbsup

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I watched it and it seems like a pretty good video. The message is accurate and very clear; so much more than the three quotes that you're struggling with. I imagine the preacher would remind us again to go and speak to The Rock instead of complaining and critiquing. Don't fret, it's always easier said than done.

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Thanks for your perspective. I want all opinions whether I agree with them or not. I do take it to the Rock if you read my above statement, I felt Him tell me about the Shepherd and the ninety and nine. I do believe in critiquing when I making a decision who will be the Shepherd over my household. I want a Shepherd who loves the sheep and the world, as well as saints who may be struggling with their walk with God. IMO, I did not see this in this video but I am glad you could see the unfailing love of God in the minister's preaching. God Bless!

Btw, in my opinion forums can help give a multitude of counsel. I can take the good and bad opinions.

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Ladybug,

Your post came up as I was typing mine. I've read it and I respect the purpose of your thread and also the honesty with which you post. We all have our own story, as witnessed in the second set of videos you linked. What a very beautiful testimony service.

One thing that I am trying to learn; is that everything that comes in life is not always convenient in the time that it comes, but it can always serve as a learning opportunity if we will allow it to be one.

I bid you welcome to the forum and sincerely pray that you always walk in the path of the Almighty.

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After watching the video above about being sick of love, I found this video, along with several others which is so powerful that I thought I would share. God Bless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-zxCcZ-e-M

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WOW! Yes indeed, his love is supreme, perfect, and beyond our comprehension!


His love is not qualified. It simply IS!