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Our president gave an important speech on US policy in the Middle East. Along with supporting the so-called "Arab Spring" and democracy in those nations, BO called for Israel to pull back to pre-1967 borders.

Since taking office our president has tampered with US-Israeli policy taking it to an alarming level. The present day realities and security threats to Israel make such a demand, as Benjamin Netanyahu stated after the speech, "indefensable". The Golan Heights bordering Syria pose a huge problem for Israel if they should relinquish that territory to their enemy to the north. Syria has yet to sign a peace treaty with Israel and they remain closely tied to Iran and terrorist organizations. East Jerusalem would have to be given to the Palestinians, an issue that Israel has refused to discuss. When Arabs controlled EJ before 1967, Christians and Jews were not allowed access to visit holy sites there. Since Isreal's victory in the Six-Day War in 1967 and reunification of Jerusalem, every religion has had free and open access to their holy placees. Israel made Jerusalem their "eternal capital" and has said they will never again allow Jerusalem to be divided.

What concession do the Palestinians have to make? Very little as usual. Yet they have shown again and again no desire for real change. They can't even bring themselves to recognize Israel's right to exist, a much easier demand to meet than the demands placed on Israel. Ultimately anyone with any sense knows that what the Palestinians and many Arabs want is the complete destruction of Israel. They truly do not want to peacefully coexist.

Its a sad day in America when we take a stand with Israel that if they should comply would place them in a dangerous position with their neighboring enemies.

This is also risky for Obama. There are many American Jews who are Democrats. He could lose valuable financial support in the upcoming 2012 elections. Jews are also a key voting bloc in both New York State and Florida, states which carry significant numbers in the electoral college. No Democratic candidate has won the presidency in modern political without carrying New York. Florida has been very influential in recent presidential elections.

With the window closing on his first term, BO evidently feels the need to achieve a major foreign policy initiative. His penchant for ideology is once again manifesting itself. The long-held perception by liberals that Israel is the bad guy in the Middle East and that the Palestinians are the victims bleeds through here and shows how misguided leftists are.

I hope Israel decides to hedge their bets and wait for a more friendly administration to come along in 2012 to help them navigate the waters of peaceful yet secure coexistence with their neighbors.

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Michelle Bachman and others are speaking on this.

Obama is a hypocrit. He claims to desire democracy to be brought to the Middle east. Then he bashes the Democracy named Israel.

Pandering to Muslims

Is it his way to apologize for the assination of Bin Laden?

I like Obama. He should stick with the golf course,

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Netanayahu is in town at this moment. to speak with Obama.

What would we think if Netanayahu got in our business and told America we should turnover our southern cities of San Diego, El Paso to the Mexicans. To appease the drug lords.

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BO isn't happy over seeing the demise of his own country, he had to throw Israel in there too.

Here's "hoping" donors "change" their mind. There's no way any real democracy will survive another four years of this man.

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The President should stay away from such.He's too cozy with The Zionists to make trouble over there.

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Just more proof he is a muslim at heart.

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:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

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Meaning?

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The President is cozy with the Zionists?

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I am trying hard not to be very angry with bammer over this.

and dont a single knuclehead take exception with calling this jack booted thug 'bammer'

lets all take a test.
Question 1. what happens if Israel decides it will stop fighting, get rid of its weapons and army and announces to the world it will not defend itself?

Question 2. what happens if the Palistinians decide they will stop fighting, get rid of their weapons and announces to the world they will no longer defend themselves?

on Question one, you were wrong unless you said "Israel will be invaded, its men will be killed, its women will be raped (or worse) and its children will have their brains bashed out.

On Question 2, you were wrong if you didnt say "The palistinians will get a NATION".

THIS is the only reality. and the idiots in Washington that go along with this Israel hating president are no better than the germans from about 1939.

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:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

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I'll post a link to something that will explain why I typed that.

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I love those both in Israel and Palestine,and I hope people in both countries,find true bible salvation through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

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Obama declared Thursday that the borders of Israel and a Palestinian state must be based on 1967 lines.

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[QUOTE=Scott Hutchinson;1067947]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vC8ao7TJic[/QUOTE

I know anti-semitism when I see/hear it and I couldn't get past the opening portion.
So, if you can show me in some other fashion that anti-semitism isn't at the bottom of this video then I'll try and watch more.

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There is a difference between Jewish and Being a Zionist.God loves all people the same.

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The distinction is hard to distinguish.

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There is a distinction,many non Jews are Zionist and many Jews are against Zionism.
I would welcome some kind discussion with you on the matter.

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How is Obama a zionist when he wants to return to the old borders?

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Israel does a right to exist as a nation.But alot of the international banking institutions control things in the political realms.Alot of these politicans talk out of both sides of their mouths.

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what do international banks have to do with zionism? What do the care?

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Who funds wars ?

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Do some research.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F4IGwuKdUQ

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What does that have to do with zionism? Zionism is not about starting wars. Zionism is about a movement to restore Israel to the Jews

Why then attribute it to zionism and not to radical Islam?

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If 1 and 2 happen, then Jesus Christ has returned and rules from Jerusalem.

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Ottawa won’t back Obama’s Mideast peace proposal
DANIEL LEBLANC
OTTAWA— Globe and Mail

The Harper government is refusing to join the United States in calling for a return to 1967 borders as a starting point for Mideast peace, a position that has drawn sharp criticism from Canada’s staunch ally Israel.

Good for Canada!

Are you hearing this, BO????



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2030146/

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He is too stupid to hear it.

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Just some educated notes about Zionism. Zionism is not simply a desire to give Jews their homeland. Zionism is a secularization of the thought of Jews. In reality, if you talk to orthodox Jews, a Jew is not a race but a religious adherent to Judaism. It's like the term Pentecostal, or even Christian, or Hindu or Buddhist. It is a religious term. Zionism changed that term into a racial term and removed the religious sense from it. Religion is, in their eyes, only a small part of being a Jew and a Jew can take Judaism or leave it. However, without Judaism a person cannot be a Jew. Hitler actually popularized the idea that Jews are people of a certain race.

And Zionism claims Israel should have their land based purely upon secular terms with nothing to do with God and the Bible.

The religious orthodox Jews have a website called http://jewsagainstzionism.com and they are trying to correct the world about this.

So there is far more to Zionism than simply wanting Jews to have their land.

I think Jews should have their land. But Zionism is stripping the Old Testament and Judaism away from the thought of being a Jew and has secularized the entire concept. Zionism removes God from the Jew.

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Amen and amen FROM CANADA!

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that's research?

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Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[1] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to 1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and 2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.


Zionism does not have a uniform ideology, but has evolved in a dialogue among a plethora of ideologies: General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Labor Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Green Zionism, etc. However, the common denominator among all Zionists is the claim to Eretz Israel as the national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for the Jewish national self-determination (as shown, among others, by Gideon Shimoni).[2] It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.[3]


After almost two millennia of existence of the Jewish diaspora without a national state, the Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe, exemplified by the Dreyfus Affair in France and the Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire.[4] The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat.[5] At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.


Although initially one of several Jewish political movements offering alternative responses to assimilation and antisemitism, Zionism grew rapidly and became the dominant force in Jewish politics with the destruction of Jewish life in Central and Eastern Europe where these alternative movements were rooted.


The movement was eventually successful in establishing Israel on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyyar 5708 in the Hebrew calendar), as the homeland for the Jewish people. The proportion of the world's Jews living in Israel has also steadily grown since the movement came into existence. Today roughly 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel.[6] These two outcomes represent the historical success of Zionism, unmatched by any other Jewish political movement in the past 2,000 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

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Notice the HIGHLIGHTS I use as follows to point out the secularization of the Zionist movement, showing it is stripping away God from the jews.

Here is what Orthodox Jews, themselves, have to say about it.

the ideology of Zionism is in total opposition to the teachings of traditional Judaism.

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Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.

The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.

Supporters of this movement are called "Zionists".

The purpose of this website is to explain why traditional Jews do not support Zionism (the return to the land called "Israel") and why the Zionist idealogy is totally contrary to traditional Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah.

Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the "establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel." To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.

The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.

Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.

Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name "Israel" that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: "And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore."

Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews have refrained to this day from taking any funds from the Zionist regime, whether for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in the Zionist elections, whether for the "Knesset" or for the municipality. We do not serve in their army, and we even avoid speaking in the Hebrew language that the Zionists Invented. (incidentally, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which Is against the Torah and against humanity.

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The bold part tells me zionism has one central tenet which is a jewish state. There are religious and secular zionists

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Just by that admission, though Prax, Zionism does not require religious adherence. And that means it robs the term JEW of its religious connotation and waters the term down from its spiritual significance. You cannot call a Jew a Jew unless he/she is Judaic. That means there is no JEWISH state without adherence to Judaism. The point is that it is not what God intended. God intended the Jew to follow Him, and Zionism does not require that. It thereby robs the Jew of God and puts focus on the land when Deut 30 said the land is their's if they follow Him and keep His law. The Land was SOLELY for Israel in serving God. That is why I think there is forever turmoil there since they are not there for God under Moses' Law, let alone acceptance of Christ.

Deuteronomy 30:1-5 KJV And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, (2) And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; (3) That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. (4) If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: (5) And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

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I'm not the brighest bulb on the string I admit.
Is there anything to this ?
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

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that is my point. As i said the first time zionism is about an Israel, a nation, establishing it and keeping it. There are too many other ideologies

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Right. It is only about keeping a land, but trying to do so by disregarding the God-given heritage it has and Israel's purpose to serve God and be the light to the gentiles it was supposed to be under the old covenant. It's secular and about the land. It's like the rest of the world gone from God -- it lets people acknowledge God but in reality it cares not for God nor acknowledges God's ways as actual and real. It's just another secularization of something that was started by God, and they will not have peace until God is back in their focus again -- JUST LIKE AMERICA.

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What I read Zionism has many different ideological backgrounds, not just the secular. That may be what the secular zionists are pushing for though

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The religious Zionists are by far a MINORITY amongst them. The secular is easily the largest. People need to read what the orthodox Torah-keeping Jews say at http://jewsagainstzionism.com

These are not racist antisemites, but Jews, themselves! lol