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What are everyone's thoughts on the paranormal? I am not talking supernatural, as most Pentecostals both believe and experience such, but I am speaking of ghosts, spirits, objects moving on their own, EVPs, etc. What are your thoughts on these things?

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DEMONIC, manifestations of spirits which existed in a pre-world before Adam and Eve and our human race.

A society which lived on this planet in physical form and was under the rule of Satan and his angels.

This civilization was also destroyed by a flood, and the spirits remained and now long to poses a human being to experience that state of being that they once had. They are still under the rule of Satan and are ordered to cause division and falsehood among humans as well as destruction and delusion to the beliefs of man.[ You see this in all the new TV series about ghosts]

They have the power to cause manifestations of people and cause those manifestations even to look like the people that you or others might known in real life.

In the Old testament there is an event which describes this. I Samuel chapter 28 beginning at the 8th verse.

Now, you should examine this for yourself and not just take my word for it, not to say I'm right, just to throw it out there as a matter of theology.

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Austin, great response. I put this out there to see what some others think, as I have hardly heard this topic touched from many pulpits, except for a couple of times. But, with the popularity of such shows as Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures and Celebrity Ghost Stories, I thought maybe this might bring up some interesting conversation, and help iron to sharpen iron.

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Here's what I believe....

• Devil - Fallen angelic prince (includes Satan).
• Lilith - Most likely legent. Possibly a demon or devil.
• Demons - Fallen angels.
• Inccubi - Possibly an unclean spirit.
• Succubi - Possibly an unclean spirit.
• Unclean Spirits – The spirits of the unclean progeny between fallen angels and human kind described in Genesis 6.
• Possession - When a Devil, Demon, or Unclean Spirit takes up residence in a person to satisfy its thirst for rebellion, sin, and debauchery with intent to destroy the individual or the individual's entire family through alienation from God.
• Ghosts - Troubled human spirits that roam the earthly plane until they are set free to progress into the afterlife and face their judgment. Possibly "familiar spirits" who are demons that mimmick the dead.
• Hauntings - Areas where any spiritual being on this list might abide.
• Witches - Those who are cursed by a generational curse passed down through their bloodline. These have special giftings to curse, speak to the dead, be fortune tellers, ward off unclean spirits, read omens, read minds, etc. Many call them "psychics" today.
• Vampires - Legend, perhaps an ancient cannibal cult or a form of unclean spirit.
• UFO's - Possibly alien life. Most likely a demonic delusion.
• Death - Forgetting your wife's birthday. Can be avoided if banished to roam the night in search of a place to stay for the evening.

I understand that many don’t hold the same opinions regarding the demonology expressed here. But that’s cool. There are various opinions. This is a largely mysterious subject.

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Love the death part Aquila! :D Ha ha ha!

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My thoughts....

Active imaginations that, for whatever reason, really wants to believe there is life beyond the life we live now. For example, people have searched for "life out there" for years. UFO reports, IMO, are the results of people who really want to believe "we are not alone". Actually, I do believe there is life out there somewhere but, IMO, we will never make contact.

Paranormal: Ghosts and goblins such as those seen on such "reality" shows as Ghost Hunters, are the same thing. People who really want to believe diembodied spirits surround us and attempt to make contact thru "orbs of light" (illuminated dust particles), creaks and groans of old house, (and rodents in the attics, etc).

The mind is a powerful thing, and if we want "evidence" of the paranormal, our active imaginations on a dark night will certainly accomodate us. What of the "evidence" caught on audio/video tape? "Ghost images" from prior use in my opinion. Or downright computer manipulations.

Denomic activity? Could be, but, since I believe Satans only power is to decieve, I believe any denomic activity is in the area of deception. If Satan can make you believe you saw a "ghost" then, you have seen a "ghost". Or a UFO.

Un-explained? Certainly. There are many things about life that simply can't be ex-plained. But that doesn't mean they result from ghost, demons or spirits. But no, I'm not a believer in the para-normal in any shape or form.

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I'd say the majority of the time, it's an overactive imagination.

However, there are events that have far more substance.

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My opinion is that ghosts and suchlike are demon spirits, and these are fallen angels. I personally do not believe the theory that a race of human existed before Adam and became demon spirits, but rather they are fallen angels. They impersonate those who died in order to deceive, partly to espouse there is no hell.

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The human imagination is a powerful thing. While I actually enjoy watching Ghosthunters and am interested in the concept of "residual hauntings" where there is no intelligence to paranormal activity, but rather it continues to play out over and over like a tape recorder, the show drives me nuts because of their insistence on doing all investigations in the dark. The evidence value of "seeing a shadow out of the corner of your eye in a pitch black room" is laughable at best. Don't get me started on EVP's either....

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I agree Randy. Being in a dark structure in the middle of the night feeds the imagination with all sorts of "para-normal" experiences. I watch Ghost Hunters and have never, not once, seen anythng convincing. Its TV for cryin out loud! Theres another show thats even more laughable. Paranormal states or something like that. The one with the "quasi-priest" that "cleanses" the house. Almost comedic. As you say, the imagination is a powerful thing. Movies like "Close encounters", Beetlejiuce and just about anything based on Stephen Kings books did a great service for "the dark side".

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Are out of body experiences that occur in church different that those one might experience in other venues?

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I'm reading a lot of talk about television. But my grandfather could tell true stories that would make your hair stand on end. I've had experiences that made me want to leave my house. I had a lady friend visiting me one evening (a quasi date) and we were discussing the death of a dear friend of hers. She shared with me some strange things that began happening after his death. I just listened and tried not to make light of what she was saying. I began to "feel" something "off". Then suddenly the glass globe cover for the overhead light in my kitchen just exploded sending glass everywhere. Here's the kicker. We were in the living room talking. The kitchen light had been off for hours and was stone cold. I've seen battery operated toys start on their own in the middle of the night. These things happened last year. Nothing strange has happened for a few months now.

My point is this... the television programming is only popular because many everyday people, even those who were once skeptics, have had experiences that have left them asking questions and wondering what is happening. While I think that more times than not it's only one's imagination, I know that things like these happen. I've even attended "deliverance" prayer meetings wherein demons are cast out. I don't doubt that there is substance to some things that people have experienced.

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i watched the paranormal show a few times. my daughter gets scared of it but likes it. she is wierd ;p

but anyway. i do believe these are all demonic beings.

They did a show and they brought a medium into the house. and the medium was speaking to the spirit. the spirit which was a demon kept telling her. i was invited here.

when asking the family about this they admitted to having done some type of ritual asking for a presence.

this demonic spirit was constantly wrecking their home, and messing with their 2-3 year old kid.

I wouldnt want that in my house.

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Me neither.

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when i was young, just barely had my liscense to drive. One of mine and my friends hobbie was going caving. and we was heading to a old abandon coal mine.

The road going up the mountain is really only wide enough for one vehicle. On one side it was a wall of rock, on the other side it was adrop off.

we was heading up there late at night, when another vehicle was comming down. I really didnt know how we was gonna get passed each other.

some how we squezed by. I was so relieved , as soon as the car went by. However my buddy in the passenger seat was pail as a ghost and was freaked out. He said the car just disapeared.

My first reaction is they went of the cliff, and so we started looking, and nothing. Car just went poof. its one of those things that makes you go hmmmmm

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Maybe some ghosts need driving lessons. :heeheehee

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I was talking to a friend of mine and the topic of the paranormal and ghosts came up. He shared his opinion with me and I found it interesting. So I thought I'd revive this conversation. He explained that man is a trichotomy (body, soul, and spirit). He essentially explained that when one dies their body is burried in the ground and physical consciousness ends. The soul is the seat of personality and emotions, and proceeds into the afterlife. The spirits of the unsaved are essentially natural life-forces that might continue linger on the earthly plane in a given location or around the body until they dissipate... or are removed. He explained that when one encounters a ghost, they are encountering the disembodied "spirit" or "life-force" of a person.

What intrigued me is the complexity of his opinion. Categorically, a person can exist in three distinct places at once. The body can physically reside in the grave. The soul can consciously exist in the afterlife. The spirit can linger on the earthly plane.

Thoughts???

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i dont think its a disembodied spirit, what i think is demonic spirits tend to take on the lord or the story of the area.

for instance, there is a insane asylum. If you want to get freaked out go take a tour. stuff moves on its own there and lots of noise.

They even brought a dog in and the dog was spooked. we know that the possesed was driven mad just like the man that 100 demons in him. I believe those demonic spirits still hang around such places even after there closed cause people draw attention to the supernatural.

so instead of a spirit of some one who died i believe its a demon.trying to take on the role of the story and the lore.

My wife and her sister saw her grandfather after he was killed or murdered in her grannies house after they buried him.

she would probably agree with you. ofcourse they group right next to a cemetary and played in when they was kids...

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I know that demonic spirits can masquerade as "ghosts" or the spirits of the dead. However, there are those reports of encounters with spirits that are truly more like "ghosts" in the traditional sense, not demons. Perhaps both notions have an element of truth.

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but what is a ghost? could not a demon take on the form of said person? I really dont know. But the apostles must have believed in ghosts cause that is what they thought when they first saw Jesus after the ressurection.

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True, I know that in ancient Judaism they believed that the soul was divided up in various parts that each had it's destiny in different places. Weird. lol

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I too have experienced some of the paranormal in times past as well as my husband.

I lived in a house that was divided up into two apartments. I would hear noises and get creepy, cold feelings. When I tried to discuss the phenomena with my pastor, he dismissed it as demons cannot live within four walls, that it must live within the human body.

But...that explanation did little to explain why my aloe vera plant was plucked up from it's pot by the roots. Or bump noises on the wall behind my bed at night. So...I decided it was a rat, although I never ever saw any evidence of a rat such as droppings or chewing of box food and such.

I got to the point where I just kind of dreaded going home at night. I started to get very depressed, crying for no good reason. And dreams....


One day I was visiting with my neighbor, who lived in the other apartment. I told her that I heard her little boy kicking the wall last night, assuming his bed was next to the wall as most people use the wall as a partial barrier to help keep them from falling out of bed. She looked at me...almost in horror. Then she said that she wanted to show me something. So she took me into his bedroom and the entire wall behind my bedroom wall was full of metal shelves from end to end with all his toys and books and what nots on it. His bed was at the other end.

I went hmmmmmm.....

She told me that one night she could not sleep so she flicked on the light and got a book out to read. All of a sudden, her boy's toy fireman hat's siren went off (like a firetruck). It sits on the top shelf in his bedroom. The boy was sleeping so soundly it did not wake him up.

Hmmmmm.....

So... the last straw for me was one day I came home and found my aloe vera plant plucked up by the roots and on my living room floor at least 15 feet from where I kept the pot.

I made quick plans to move.

On moving day, my neighbor two doors down, a Holy Ghost filled-woman, said to me..."Well...now that you decided to move, I just want to tell you that the woman who used to own that house was very depressed. She decided to kill herself by turning on the gas and lighting a match. They say that the explosion was so great that they could not scrape all of her brains off the bedroom wall".

Now I think to myself...if the explosion was that great, why is the house still standing? But nevertheless, I had enough. :D

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My girlfriend and I had a season of paranormal events. I'm still not all that comfortable talking about them. Most of them took place at my apartment. One took place at her mom's house.

When we began dating she lived in Lebanon Ohio and she would come to Dayton to visit me. Her mom and dad lived in Dayton so she'd stay at her parent's house, although she and her daughter spent most of the time with me and my little boy. One night I was at her mom's and her mom and dad turned in early. They said I could stay the night and we talked on the front porch for a few hours about the Lord and spiritual warfare. We decided to turn in and my girlfriend was turning my bed down in the guest room... her daughter, Addison (four years old at the time) walked into the doorway and just stood there. She had a dark haze-like shadowing around her face. It wasn’t right. My hair stood on end (you never get used to this sort of thing). Christina was clearly very shaken and hesitantly said, “Addison?” Addy just stood there staring at me. It felt like a very confrontational warning. We silently prayed and approached the little girl and woke her out of her sleep walk. Addison often gets afraid of the dark, disturbed, and troubled from time to time with nightmares and night scares. She said a woman named “Stacy” was “visiting” with her. She said that Stacy scared her and she wanted Stacy to go home. We had our Assistant Pastor prayed with us over a prayer cloth and we put it in Addison’s pillow. We also anointed Addison with oil and prayed for the spirits troubling her to go away. She’s been in relative peace since.

Another incident occured when Christina was visiting me at my apartment. We were talking and out of nowhere a glass shattered in the kitchen of its own accord. In that appartment we heard a female voice on several occasions, electronic toys and appliances came on by themselves, dishes were moved from the sink to the floor in a circular pattern after we left the kitchen only to discover them 15 minutes later when we returned. I had moments of feeling feelings of absolute dread on the property. I think the moving dishes were the last straw for me. I decided I wanted to move asap. To this day my son and her daughter call the apartment "the scary house" because they saw things.

Since I've moved there hasn't been any problems.

When talking about the apartment I asked her what she felt was wrong. Both of us, without collaborating, felt like (if we didn't know better) there was a demonic presence and the human presence of a woman. I can't explain exactly what the situation was... but it seemed we had both a ghost and a demonic spirit.

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I remember one night when I couldn't sleep...I was sitting on the couch doing some kind of craft like crocheting or painting and listening to late night talk shows. My dog, who is quite old now, was laying on the far end of the couch.

Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a shadow, about the size of a small armadillo run under my coffee table and into the heating/cooling duct. I just shook my head and thought that I was just imagining it. Just then, my dog took off woofing and ran to the duct and started sniffing the duct. Well...maybe it wasn't my imagination after all?

Don't know what it was, never saw it again, but it was neither good nor evil feeling. It was just there and gone.

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Could it have been a rodent? They can really flatten their bodies to slide under doors and things.

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No, it wasn't a rodent. I thought so at first but it did not have any defined shape to it. More like a smoky shadow...blobby-like...fluffy. It's hard to describe. It was noiseless, unlike rodents. If this was a rodent, I would have heard it scurrying and it would not have fit through these vents.

It's one of those things I just shrugged my shoulders on.

I have another late night story that is almost unbelievable, but it happened. I don't think I will post that story on here though.

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That is almost exactly how I see it. It also explains the majority of hauntings that seem to be like a recording playing over and over again with no intelligence to them.

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Why did I click on this thread right before bedtime?

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I have a story too.
But there are many references about ghosts in the bible. One that stands out is...
40.Luke 24:33-34
[ A Ghost Doesn't Have Muscle and Bone ] They didn't waste a minute. They were up and on their way back to Jerusalem. They found the Eleven and their friends gathered together, talking away: "It's really happened! The Master has been raised up—Simon saw him!"
Luke 24:32-34 (in Context) Luke 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
41.Luke 24:36-41
While they were saying all this, Jesus appeared to them and said, "Peace be with you." They thought they were seeing a ghost and were scared half to death. He continued with them, "Don't be upset, and don't let all these doubting questions take over. Look at my hands; look at my feet—it's really me. Touch me. Look me over from head to toe. A ghost doesn't have muscle and bone like this." As he said this, he showed them his hands and feet. They still couldn't believe what they were seeing. It was too much; it seemed too good to be true.

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You're not scared are you seeker man?








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Good one AA! Here's another one:

And they said unto her, Thou art mad. But she constantly affirmed that it was even so. Then said they, It is his angel. Acts 12:15

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And don't forget the witch that called up the spirit of Samuel...lol I don't believe everything is demonic.as far as pinning down what demons can and cannot do*as in "they cannot live within 4 walls only a human host" id love to know where that lil bit of information came from.

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I think it's all a bunch of bullcrap... can i say that on here?

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you need to take a vacation to the top 5 inactive insane asylums that have been shut down.( some still give tours) when stuff starts moving in front of you then you can yell this is a bunch of bull.....

or the gettysburg memorial center and hotel. where stuff flies off the counter tops.

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Not exactly my idea of a vacation, sorry :heeheehee Bahamas maybe?

Seriously... I've seen 'paranormal' type stuff (I was raised in So Cal where it was all the rage when I was a kid)... and I still think that none of it should be of concern to or a problem for the blood bought believer. We can just pretty much ignore it... it's not for us or about us whatever it is.

Oh and I've worked psych. Plenty of stuff flying around while you can still see those folks... and a lot of that is bull______ too.

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[QUOTE=Titus2woman;1173024]Not exactly my idea of a vacation, sorry :heeheehee Bahamas maybe?

its so hot here right now how about alaska ???

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[QUOTE=acerrak;1173025]Yes, yes! I have been wanting to do the Alaskan cruise! Right now would be perfect!!

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Actually, that WOULD be an interesting vacation. We live only about 5 hours from the Winchester House, which many paranormal investigators have never found anything in (including TAPS) but the more believing ones (who claim every crackle of static on a recording is an EVP) such as Zack and his crew on Ghost Adventures always do.