How Does The Unbeliever Perish ?
 

Since we have threads here about UR,Destruction Of The Wicked And Eternal Punishment.
What say ye about how those who do not believe in Christ will perish ?
John 3:16 What is the nature of the perishment of the non-believer ?

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I think their hearts and brain function will stop. :D

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Does that include some who are still walking around alive but they are heartless and have very little brain function?

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well the punishment for sin is death. we all must die for sin.

mark 16 : 16 states that it is eternal condemnation
revelations declares death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire.

specifically for those who worship the beast and take his mark

And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."

and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."--Matt. 13:49,50.

Lazuras and the rich man
LUKE 16:22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried." (NKJV)
LUKE 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." (NKJV)

for the wages of sin is death. we all die
But the Lord stated do not fear the one who can destroy the body, but one who can destroy the body and soul

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:foottap

(:lol)

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Strongs no. 622 perish is to "destroy fully". To perish or lose. Destroy, die,.

The wages of sin is DEATH the gift of God eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

Think "life". Then think the contrast between that and "death". Its the difference in having being and not having being.

The wicked will after going to the Gehenna fire pass into "outer darkness". Darkness is a scriptural metaphor for death.

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Are you saying the wicked burn for a time and then die, as in, no longer aware?

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Ha Ha ha That, I think that has already happened:heeheehee

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Walked right into that one, didn't I? :lol

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Thats what I believe. Death means death. It is the opposite of life. None of us have immortality unless Jesus grants it to us.


Note that important truth:

2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Rom. 2:6-7

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Thanks for answering.

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Adam, the unbeliever, died the day he ate of the tree...

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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No he didn't. He died hundreds of years later.

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Depends on what death he died.

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????? what do you mean? what death?

God delayed His judgment on adam and eve so grace and mercy could have a chance.

Spiritually he no longer had a relationship with God that he used to have. Not in the same manner, but He still did have a relationship with God just different than before.

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The bible plainly states that God said the *DAY* adam ate of the tree he would die. Not BEGIN to die, not die several decades later, but that DAY he would die.

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my bible stated adam lived to be like 900 years old contridiction ? or did God with hold his judgment of adams sin

maybe we could use the day is like a 1000 years to God and 1000 years Like One day.

adam almost made it to a complete day if we went that route..


but honestly adam went from basically being immortal to a dying state. Once he ate the fruit he lost his immortality and slowly started dying.
ok lets look at other translations since im not a kjv onlyiest

niv
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

New Living Translation (NLT)

17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die

some leave the day out, but all state the same because of this act you are going to die. and he did like 900 years later

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No, God did not withhold judgment of adam's sin. He was expelled from the garden very soon after eating of the tree.

That verse is sure a favorite when it's needed to explain away certain time elements in the bible. It's one of the main excuse scriptures.

No, the 'thousand years - day' passage has absolutely nothing to do with adam dying the very day he ate of the fruit. In fact, he lived to suffer the consequences for several centuries after that unfortunate event.

Huh?

I agree.

Depends on which dead we're talking about.

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lol kicking him out of the garden didnt kill him...................:laffatu

and i was kidding about the thousand year mark. it was a inside Joke, maybe you will get it later. adam almost lived a 1000 years which he didnt actually live a complete day God time, (close though)


and yes i know He lived i put that in bold and attalics and under lined that part in your post

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Or did Adam die spiritually that day?

Ephesians 2 says that we were dead in trespasses and sins but that God has quickened us or made us alive.

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A thousand years with the Lord is as one day, and one day as a thousand years; That scripture indicates with God there is no time frames like in our world. Everything is present tense, past, present, and future.

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It doesn't say. It doesn't say he died in any way on the day he ate. But it does say when he died, at age 930 years (without qualifying by what kind of death).

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I think you're onto something. :)

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Nope, that doesn't address the passage. The passage in no shape or form suggests that God told adam that he would die 1000 years after he ate of the forbidden tree.

The 'one literal day = one thousand literal years, one thousand literal years = one literal day' is only used when convenient.

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It means to completely destroy

apóllumi or apolúō; fut. apolésō, 2d aor. apōlómēn, perf. apolṓleka, 2d perf. apólōla, mid. fut. apoloúmai, from apó (G575) an intens., the mid. óllumi (n.f.), to destroy. The force of apó here is away or wholly; therefore, the verb is stronger than the simple óllumi. To destroy, mid. be destroyed, perish. Also from óllumi (n.f.): ólethros (G3639), rain, destruction.

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when did adam die? seekerman

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Depends on which death you're talking about. Spiritually, he died the day he ate of the tree, physically, he died 900+ years later.

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can you describe to us what you mean by spiritual death? Even though adam sinned. Did he stop having communion with God?

Did not God Clothe them? But kicked them out of the garden so they wouldnt eat of the tree of life.

so can you describe this spirtual death?

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Sorry I'm off track. Didn't mean it to reference Adam's death period in time. Was only referencing the time table in God in all things.

I believe Adam lived 900 years. I think he was living a lot better in the beginning and would have lived forever had he not discovered that same weakness in himself that we all had at one time. The weakness that can't resist wrong choices that are not the will of God, to us, and for us.

Spiritual rebirth is not taking upon one self a bunch of rules that are going to make us perfect in the sight of the Lord. It is becoming someone who we were not at the beginning and someone just like the one who created that nature in us.

The commandments of God were never intended to make us perfect, they were rules that would cause us to be in unity with God and everyone else on this earth. They were all for our good. But because we are not good then what was good for us became the judge over us.