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Sister Alvear 06-03-2011 08:43 AM
What happened to the body of Jesus
 
Another question from my students...what happened to his body after he arose?

seekerman 06-03-2011 09:01 AM
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Turned into an incorruptible, spiritual, glorified body.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

acerrak 06-03-2011 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1071349)
Another question from my students...what happened to his body after he arose?
were did stephen say He saw the Body of Jesus at when he was fixing to get stoned?

mfblume 06-05-2011 01:27 PM
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Jesus body remained in the state of a spiritual body since the moment He resurrected from the dead. Able to appear and disappear and move in and out of the spiritual realm and the natural realm. We will see the same body they saw ascend into Glory one day! Jesus did not abandon that body from the tomb, and nothing in the bible says He did. 1 Cor 15 says the body with which He resurrected is the firstfruits (beginning of many more like it) of the resurrection. FIRSTFRUITS is solely a time and chronological issue -- first of many identicals to follow. His resurrection is the precursor and precedent for our own. Phil 3:21 states the manner in which He was raised is the same manner in which we shall be raised in very body.

acerrak 06-05-2011 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1071769)
Jesus body remained in the state of a spiritual body since the moment He resurrected from the dead. Able to appear and disappear and move in and out of the spiritual realm and the natural realm. We will see the same body they saw ascend into Glory one day! Jesus did not abandon that body from the tomb, and nothing in the bible says He did. 1 Cor 15 says the body with which He resurrected is the firstfruits (beginning of many more like it) of the resurrection. FIRSTFRUITS is solely a time and chronological issue -- first of many identicals to follow. His resurrection is the precursor and precedent for our own. Phil 3:21 states the manner in which He was raised is the same manner in which we shall be raised in very body.
:thumbsup

Sister Alvear 06-05-2011 02:37 PM
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thank you, Brother Blume...

Sam 06-05-2011 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1071769)
Jesus body remained in the state of a spiritual body since the moment He resurrected from the dead. Able to appear and disappear and move in and out of the spiritual realm and the natural realm. We will see the same body they saw ascend into Glory one day! Jesus did not abandon that body from the tomb, and nothing in the bible says He did. 1 Cor 15 says the body with which He resurrected is the firstfruits (beginning of many more like it) of the resurrection. FIRSTFRUITS is solely a time and chronological issue -- first of many identicals to follow. His resurrection is the precursor and precedent for our own. Phil 3:21 states the manner in which He was raised is the same manner in which we shall be raised in very body.
That's the way I understand it also.

SeekingOne 06-05-2011 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1071769)
Jesus body remained in the state of a spiritual body since the moment He resurrected from the dead. Able to appear and disappear and move in and out of the spiritual realm and the natural realm. We will see the same body they saw ascend into Glory one day! Jesus did not abandon that body from the tomb, and nothing in the bible says He did. 1 Cor 15 says the body with which He resurrected is the firstfruits (beginning of many more like it) of the resurrection. FIRSTFRUITS is solely a time and chronological issue -- first of many identicals to follow. His resurrection is the precursor and precedent for our own. Phil 3:21 states the manner in which He was raised is the same manner in which we shall be raised in very body.
This is why Stephen could SEE Jesus AT the right hand of the Father, right? It confused me when I was always told it was just a figure of speech. So Stephen saw God and Jesus?

seekerman 06-05-2011 10:17 PM
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Surely nobody's saying that a 90 year old person will still have the physical appearance of a 90 year old and a 1 day old person will have the physical appearance of a 1 day old person in their glorified spiritual body.

Jesus' body was simply a spiritual glorified body and at times He chose to look as He looked when he lived on the earth, but other times chose to look completely different.

mfblume 06-05-2011 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 1071818)
This is why Stephen could SEE Jesus AT the right hand of the Father, right? It confused me when I was always told it was just a figure of speech. So Stephen saw God and Jesus?
I never substantiated my claim upon what stephen did or did not see. Right hand means place of power, not Right physical side of another. Stephen saw Jesus in the place of power. Not sure of your point.

Fact remains, Jesus arose in a spiritual body and nothing as said about abandoning it.

mfblume 06-05-2011 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1071821)
Surely nobody's saying that a 90 year old person will still have the physical appearance of a 90 year old and a 1 day old person will have the physical appearance of a 1 day old person in their glorified spiritual body.

Jesus' body was simply a spiritual glorified body and at times He chose to look as He looked when he lived on the earth, but other times chose to look completely different.
No on is saying anything about appearance of age. The simple point is that a spiritual body is what came out of the grave and is what we are promised. It has, as you say, abilities to change form.

SRM 06-06-2011 05:10 AM
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He is at the right hand of God reigning now over the Kingdom God has gave him,He EVER lives to make intercession for us..

Aquila 06-06-2011 01:29 PM
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His body was glorified and after appearing to the disciples He ascended into Heaven where He is seated at the right hand of the Father, making intercession for the Church.

Apprehended 06-06-2011 02:02 PM
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What happened to the body?

After it was put to death on the cross, it was taken down and placed in a grave. After three days, it was made alive again, not by the human source of life as God told Moses, that the life of the flesh is in the blood, but it was made alive to live forever by a higher source of life, the eternal Spirit. Thus, He is natural/spiritual, having a body with no blood sustained only by the power of endless life of the Eternal. His body yet retains the scars from his piercing. This body is the veil of God whom no man hath seen at anytime, now one with Him.

Sam 06-06-2011 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1071827)
I never substantiated my claim upon what stephen did or did not see. Right hand means place of power, not Right physical side of another. Stephen saw Jesus in the place of power. Not sure of your point.

Fact remains, Jesus arose in a spiritual body and nothing as said about abandoning it.
As Bro. Blume said, "right hand" is an expression meaning place of power or authority. Surely Stephen did not look into Heaven and see an omnipresent invisible Spirit with Jesus standing at His right side.

mfblume 06-06-2011 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1072003)
As Bro. Blume said, "right hand" is an expression meaning place of power or authority. Surely Stephen did not look into Heaven and see an omnipresent invisible Spirit with Jesus standing at His right side.
Right. How can one be on the right side of one who is everywhere?

SeekingOne 06-06-2011 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1071827)
I never substantiated my claim upon what stephen did or did not see. Right hand means place of power, not Right physical side of another. Stephen saw Jesus in the place of power. Not sure of your point.

Fact remains, Jesus arose in a spiritual body and nothing as said about abandoning it.
That is very confusing. Where in scripture do you get this? Is it because of your theology, not scripture, that you assume he didn't look up and SEE Jesus at the right hand of the Father?

Stephen sees Jesus, and instead of just saying he sees Jesus, he assumes Jesus is in "the place of power" and assumes that the pharisees will understand the seeing Jesus and saying he sees him at the right hand of God they will KNOW that Jesus is in the place of power?

Sam 06-06-2011 04:46 PM
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So, what did Steven see?

1. God the Father on a throne?
and
2. Jesus the Son standing there on His Father's right hand or at His right hand? And did Jesus get up off His throne and stand up to welcome Stephen or to give him a standing ovation?

Actually, what Stephen said is pretty much the same that Peter said in Acts chapter 2 when he said that
Jesus is at the right hand of God exalted (verse 33)
Jesus received the promise of the Holy Ghost from the Father (v. 33)
Jesus has shed forth this which you now see and hear (v.33)
God hath made that same Jesus whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ (v. 36)

SeekingOne 06-06-2011 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1072037)
So, what did Steven see?

1. God the Father on a throne?
and
2. Jesus the Son standing there on His Father's right hand or at His right hand? And did Jesus get up off His throne and stand up to welcome Stephen or to give him a standing ovation?

Actually, what Stephen said is pretty much the same that Peter said in Acts chapter 2 when he said that
Jesus is at the right hand of God exalted (verse 33)
Jesus received the promise of the Holy Ghost from the Father (v. 33)
Jesus has shed forth this which you now see and hear (v.33)
God hath made that same Jesus whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ (v. 36)
I think Stephen saw what he said he saw. :heeheehee

acerrak 06-06-2011 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 1072041)
I think Stephen saw what he said he saw. :heeheehee
yea he was gonna die, i dont think theology was in his mind

mfblume 06-06-2011 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 1072036)
That is very confusing. Where in scripture do you get this? Is it because of your theology, not scripture, that you assume he didn't look up and SEE Jesus at the right hand of the Father?

Stephen sees Jesus, and instead of just saying he sees Jesus, he assumes Jesus is in "the place of power" and assumes that the pharisees will understand the seeing Jesus and saying he sees him at the right hand of God they will KNOW that Jesus is in the place of power?
The entirety of scripture uses the phrase RIGHT HAND pover and over again. God's right hand opened the Red Sea and drowned the Egyptians. Do you think God physically had a right hand that reached down and divided the water?

Ex 15:12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

Of course not. The wind blew and the water opened. But it said HIS RIGHT HAND did it. It is a cultural thing much like cultural metaphors we have. We say a person who is faulty and always points the finger at someone else is like "someone who lives in a glass house should nto throw stones." Does that literally mean they live in a glass house? No. But it culturally is understood to say what we know it means.

Do you think there were not cultural metaphors like that in the bible that are outside our awareness? I guess Stephen saw a giant right hand and Jesus standing in the palm. :lol

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God

Sam 06-06-2011 07:49 PM
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I think Stephen saw what he said he saw. :heeheehee


Something like this?

Pendragon 06-06-2011 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1072008)
Right. How can one be on the right side of one who is everywhere?
So what did Moses see? He saw the backside of something.

Praxeas 06-06-2011 08:21 PM
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Right. How can one be on the right side of one who is everywhere?
Or..since Jesus is said to be on the right hand of the throne and all of heaven IS God's throne, Jesus can't be in heaven anymore.

It never ceases to amaze me how many Trinitarians ignore what their own scholars know that "right hand" is an idiom

SeekingOne 06-06-2011 08:49 PM
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Or..since Jesus is said to be on the right hand of the throne and all of heaven IS God's throne, Jesus can't be in heaven anymore.

It never ceases to amaze me how many Trinitarians ignore what their own scholars know that "right hand" is an idiom
Where did the Trinitarian comment come from? I see it this way, Moses appeared with Jesus, correct? Why can't Jesus, the man that died, be in heaven with God? Isn't this about, "What happened to Jesus' body?"

Again, I just mentioned it was confusing, and I feel like I am being ridiculed for thinking and not just accepting what I have been taught all these years. (Trinitarian???? :smack)

SeekingOne 06-06-2011 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1072068)
Do you think there were not cultural metaphors like that in the bible that are outside our awareness? I guess Stephen saw a giant right hand and Jesus standing in the palm. :lol

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God
Convenient choice of Bible version choice.

Amplified: "And he said, Look! I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at God's right hand!"

It really doesn't matter to me either way. I don't care if Stephen saw a physical Jesus next to a spirit being that he thought was God or if he saw Jesus and decided to use a metaphor. I was just giving my 2 cents on where Jesus' body is. :-)

Praxeas 06-06-2011 09:04 PM
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Where did the Trinitarian comment come from?
From me

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I see it this way, Moses appeared with Jesus, correct? Why can't Jesus, the man that died, be in heaven with God? Isn't this about, "What happened to Jesus' body?"
Jesus is God. Nobody denies Jesus in His body is in heaven. The problem is when you take "right hand of God" literally to mean Jesus is not God but he does have a body and so does God and Jesus is standing or sitting off to the right hand of God

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Again, I just mentioned it was confusing, and I feel like I am being ridiculed for thinking and not just accepting what I have been taught all these years. (Trinitarian???? :smack)
Not ridiculing anyone. Just discussing the facts

SeekingOne 06-06-2011 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1072110)
From me


Jesus is God. Nobody denies Jesus in His body is in heaven. The problem is when you take "right hand of God" literally to mean Jesus is not God but he does have a body and so does God and Jesus is standing or sitting off to the right hand of God


Not ridiculing anyone. Just discussing the facts
I sort of took the "It never ceases to amaze me" me as condescending and assumptive of me since it was in response to what I said. And we aren't really discussing "facts" in my opinion, when the "facts" can be interpreted different ways.

Fact: A car is in the driveway.

Not Fact: That car is brick red. No, to me that car is apple red.

The very "fact" that we can discuss scripture and give opinions to me shows they are not facts, but opinions that feel like facts to us. Because I am not threatened that there are many opinions and I don't have to agree with any of them, I make people uncomfortable and sometimes angry. I hope I don't do that here.

riverslivnwtr 06-06-2011 11:02 PM
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were did stephen say He saw the Body of Jesus at when he was fixing to get stoned?

Stephen said Jesus was giving him an standing ovation..:highfive

mfblume 06-06-2011 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 1072105)
Convenient choice of Bible version choice.

Amplified: "And he said, Look! I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at God's right hand!"

It really doesn't matter to me either way. I don't care if Stephen saw a physical Jesus next to a spirit being that he thought was God or if he saw Jesus and decided to use a metaphor. I was just giving my 2 cents on where Jesus' body is. :-)
The point is RIGHT HAND is a biblical manner of speaking of power. It's all through the bible. And it is a fact that God is omnipresent --- everywhere. You cannot stand beside someone who is everywhere.

mfblume 06-06-2011 11:26 PM
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So what did Moses see? He saw the backside of something.
God manifested in localized forms more than once. But it was not directly God. No man has seen God at any time, and that was stated long after Moses saw glory and Jesus walked the earth.

seekerman 06-07-2011 02:36 AM
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God manifested in localized forms more than once. But it was not directly God. No man has seen God at any time, and that was stated long after Moses saw glory and Jesus walked the earth.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Thomas wasn't seeing God?

Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Jacob wasn't seeing God?

Sister Alvear 06-07-2011 05:52 AM
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You cannot take just certain scriptures and form a doctrine or opinion...would it not be better to put them all down somewhere and examine them...such as No man hath seen God at any time...God is a Spirit....etc...

mfblume 06-07-2011 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1072158)
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Thomas wasn't seeing God?

Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Jacob wasn't seeing God?
No. No man saw God at any time. They saw what GOD MANIFESTED IN, but never actually saw God. You cannot see God since He is everywhere present and is invisible.

What does this verse mean to you?

1 John 4:12 KJV No man hath seen God at any time. ..

Are you saying John wrote a lie? If not, what did John mean?

SeekingOne 06-07-2011 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1072278)
No. No man saw God at any time. They saw what GOD MANIFESTED IN, but never actually saw God. You cannot see God since He is everywhere present and is invisible.

What does this verse mean to you?

1 John 4:12 KJV No man hath seen God at any time. ..

Are you saying John wrote a lie? If not, what did John mean?
Exactly, so since we were not there, and we are not Stephen, who's to say he didn't see Jesus and a bright light or something that represented the glory of God? Who's to say that God is inhabiting Jesus' body?

I think it would be good if man would just let God be God and admit there are many mysteries that are not important for us to know the answers to. I like that we don't understand everything in the Bible, I like that I can't put God in a box and claim I have all the answers and know the "truth" that others can't figure out.

Sam 06-07-2011 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1072278)
No. No man saw God at any time. They saw what GOD MANIFESTED IN, but never actually saw God. You cannot see God since He is everywhere present and is invisible.

What does this verse mean to you?

1 John 4:12 KJV No man hath seen God at any time. ..

Are you saying John wrote a lie? If not, what did John mean?
In John 1:1-18 and 1 John 1:1-4, the Apostle talks about the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel/Messenger that was in the beginning and who was with God and was God. He describes the Word as the agent of creation of all things that are made. He goes on to say that the Word was in the world and the world was made by Him but the world knew/recognized Him not. He said the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He said that he and others had seen, touched, watched and interacted with this Word. Then in verse 18 of John 1 he said, "No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]."

God existed as far back as we can know as an omnipresent, eternal, invisible, transcendent Spirit and as a local, visible, immanent, touchable persona known as the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel/Messenger

mfblume 06-07-2011 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1072357)
In John 1:1-18 and 1 John 1:1-4, the Apostle talks about the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel/Messenger that was in the beginning and who was with God and was God. He describes the Word as the agent of creation of all things that are made. He goes on to say that the Word was in the world and the world was made by Him but the world knew/recognized Him not. He said the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He said that he and others had seen, touched, watched and interacted with this Word. Then in verse 18 of John 1 he said, "No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]."

God existed as far back as we can know as an omnipresent, eternal, invisible, transcendent Spirit and as a local, visible, immanent, touchable persona known as the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel/Messenger
Amen.

riverslivnwtr 06-08-2011 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SeekingOne (Post 1072335)
Exactly, so since we were not there, and we are not Stephen, who's to say he didn't see Jesus and a bright light or something that represented the glory of God? Who's to say that God is inhabiting Jesus' body?

I think it would be good if man would just let God be God and admit there are many mysteries that are not important for us to know the answers to. I like that we don't understand everything in the Bible, I like that I can't put God in a box and claim I have all the answers and know the "truth" that others can't figure out.

Great stroke, touche', how'd you do that?
we cannot truly define God with our little minds..He is far beyond our comprehension, which is perhaps pat of the reason why when he fills us with his spirit he over does it or as David said , "my cup runneth over" ..that's God more than enough...and we never stop learning that he is more than we'll ever know..:highfive
as soon as we put Him in a box, we find out the box is too small..:highfive


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