NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warming
 

In USA Today cover article on La Nina and its effect on the wildfires, droughts, tornadoes and floods in the USA, NASA scientist Bill Patzert says its irresponsible to say its because of global warming. What is amazing is how many politicians, educators, scientists, celebrities and other influencers continue to perpetuate the myths and unprovable claims of the GW theory. The whole "green movement" is rooted in this stupid legend and it affects our ability to drill for oil domestically, to continue to use our own coal for power, it raises the price of cars that have to continually add costs to remain compliant with government standards. Will this be or not be an issue in 2012? Will a conservative candidate take it on with real facts and truth and expose it for what its worth?

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

He didn't say it because he thought it was wrong. You did not post the rest of his quote. He says the exact thing you would expect a scientist to say.

"It would be irresponsible to say that," Patzert says. "Nobody knows."

He merely doesn't like to draw up conclusions without facts first. Makes sense to me.

Furthermore, if you had read up on Patzert before taking his quote out of context, you would have realized that he DOES believe in global warming. Some quotes from him:

"The much-maligned Climategate scientists are solid and their results unequivocally correct. These are the most important issues the planet will face in the new century."

"People are afraid of change. I do a lot of public speaking to explain that global warming is real, what the consequences will be. Some people cannot be talked to. The skeptics will try to back you down, so you waste all your time and effort."

In response to the question, "Make your best and briefest case for taking global warming seriously":

"Simply, the amount of greenhouse gases has measurably and dramatically increased. They're higher now than they've been in the last 600 million years. The atmosphere is warmer; the oceans are warmer. The great ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland, the Arctic ice cover at the end of summer, is less every year -- about 40% of what it was 30 years ago. The evidence is pretty overwhelming: We're living in a melting world and a warming world. And it's just a preview. The sea level has risen 8 inches in the last century."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/....column?page=2

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

How is it quoting him out of context? The full quote you gave doesn't contradict the point I'm making. Many ppl will say these dramatic weather patterns are a result of global warming when the science is inconclusive. The political agenda that liberals force upon us by using "manmade" global warming is intrusive, economically unnecessary and punitive. Liberals pooh-pooh the Climategate fiasco as if it wasn't a big deal. But the bottom line issue was that the so-called authorities on the subject of manmade global warming were doctoring the data to perpetuate the myth rather than, like real scientists, allow the stats help them come to accurate conclusions, even if those stats ran contrary to popular belief. It revealed the real agenda behind the hype: scientists with liberal political leanings cared more about promoting their liberal philosophies than the truth. A planet billions of years old cannot be accurately judged with 150 years of weather data. Even if there is evidence of a slight increase in temperature, how do we know it is caused by man? We don't know. Just as this NASA scientist admitted---WE DON'T KNOW.

So let's stop pretending like its a proven fact, because it isn't. And there are plenty of credible scientists who disagree with the manmade global warming theory.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

blah blah blah if man could effect the climate he would ! they had snow in every state in the country this year, including hawaii's mountains goof ball !! we just entered a cold and snow cycle of ten years duration quit cooking your science, thats the only warming out there!

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

Based on the rest of your post, it was clear that you intended to contextualize his statement as a condemning statement towards global warming.

You post the part of his quote calling it irresponsible to blame the weather on global warming, without using the rest of his quote giving his reason why. You then go off into a rant of how global warming is a stupid legend and is a myth.

His entire quote does contradict your point, since it has nothing to do with your point. Your point is that global warming is a scam, his point was not blame weird weather on global warming without knowing for sure.

I would suspect that is why you did not post the link to the USAToday article, since it doesn't back up what you are ranting about.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

:smack:pillowfight:grumpyEverytime I hear all this Global warming is and is not nonsense I get hot!!!

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

GW is a scam.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

I think Jon Huntsman had a pretty good quote on global warming:

“I’m not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we’d listen to them.”

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

From your article:

"Look back at the period we call the Medieval warming, from about 800 AD to 1200, when the world was almost a degree and a half warmer. All kinds of things happened, including hundred-year droughts along the Colorado. And that was followed by the Little Ice Age, from about 1300 to the mid-1800s. And on top of this evolved these monster El Niños."

So there was a global warming period way back when human produced greenhouse gases were virtually nonexistent! No cars, smoke stacks, trains, planes, factories or modern industry. Then there was a "Little" Ice Age following that was primarily before industrialization.

So global warming, if true, is more the result of temperature cycles versus human interference. If so, we can't contribute to it nor can we stop it. Its a naturally occcuring phenomena. Unless of course you think we can stop nature in its tracks.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

It was definitely warmer in some places than it is now, but NOAA says the 20th and 21st century have been the warmest in history:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa.../medieval.html

More fun graphs that hurt my head to look at:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/.../ipcc2007.html

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

I didn't post the link because I was reading the article from a newspaper, not online. He may not have been making the point that GW is a scam, but saying that natural or manmade global warming was the cause of La Nina was irresponsible. I don't see how that contradicts the broader point I'm making. These dishonest scientists, celebrities, media types, et al who promote the unprovable theory of MMGW ARE irresponsible when there is any kind of severe weather situation and then blame it on cars, factories, and the USA. They have a liberal bias that taints their ability to be honest. Either they are willingly ignorant and don't dig below the false template that MMGW is a proven fact or they are so ideological driven they are willing to play the game b/c the ends justify the means. Either way its irresponsible.

"We don't know" means just that. Yet so many talking heads, celebrities, politicians and others talk authoritatively on these subjects and in reality they don't know---dont you think that's irresponsible? And they treat people who disagree with them as though they are morons, hicks or religious zealots---isn't that irresponsible?

You're creating a straw man here.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

Michael Mann, used some trickery in his statistical analysis of the data to produce a hockey stick shaped graph regardless of the input. This was proven in a paper by McKitrick and McIntyer.

In a later study, Mann used sediment samples from Tiljander (Finland) but used the results upside down!

Further, there are other studies like this one :
http://www.ncasi.org/publications/Detail.aspx?id=3025


That provide a very different palio-climate reconstruction. You should read this study. It doesn’t reflect the problematic issues related to strip bark and bristle cone.


Further, the NASA climate organization is headed by James Hansen who is an evangelical preacher for the church of AGW. The man has been arrested multiple times protesting against what he calls “cabon polluters”. Do you really think the scientists that work for him are going to buck his orthodoxy?


There are TONS of brilliant scientists who are NOT warmists. And there are others who are moving from being “true believers” back to the center.


This scientific field is far from settled and it is less settled today than ever.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

Here is some interesting reading on Bristle Cone Pine's


http://climateaudit101.wikispot.org/...iproxy_studies)


Quote:
"If the flawed bristlecone pine series are removed [from MBH98], the hockey stick disappears regardless of how the PCs are calculated and regardless of how many are included. The hockey stick shape is not global, it is a local phenomenon associated with eccentric proxies."

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

Ferd, that's not what Al Gore believes, nor does Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Barney Frank, Michael Moore, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg, Hugh Hefner, Rosie O'Donnell, Tom Cruise, Bill Maher, The Kennedys, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Minister Louis Farrakhan, David Letterman, The Dixie Chicks, Neil Young, Rosanne Barr, Larry King, Charlie Sheen, Martin Sheen, Ed Asner, the cast of Saturday Night Live, the entire workforce of MTV, Congressman Weiner of New York, Mario Cuomo, the editorial staffs of the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune and a few other geniuses and those of superior intellect---which means YOU'RE WRONG!!!

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

What about the" chosen one" in the Wh?

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

I actually do wonder why ANYONE would question "Him" (other than Light and Seascapes who are no doubt having orgasms at the very image of "Him" below).
It's an Obamagasm! <cue the Imperial March theme!>

http://reallyrobins.files.wordpress....ma-messiah.jpg

Or as King Arthur would say, "He's only a model".

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

If you really want to beat the liberals ...beat the Muslims first ....I mean come up with a reason why they are not first and foremost on your should be target list..and i don't mean shedding a single drop of their blood..Joshua and Caleb would stand up and say before this congregation they are bread for us..:laffatu:happydance:

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=77539 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/farr...hink-your-are/ the first link is just afte rhe was elected or jsu tbefore ,the second is the latest after "The thrill is gone Baby" :happydance :happydance and a little music link to follow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fk2prKnYnI

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/0...am/#more-41357

Most of the warmist have a carbon tax political agenda. Shoddy science and little data. It always changes. We only have 50 years of sat records.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

WHAT? The climate changes???? STOP THE PRESSES! :faint




:tic

Just track the money.......

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

This is just a taste of the insanity that is to come, due to these nimcompoops and their false science.

CANBERRA, Australia (The Blaze/AP) — Kill a camel, earn cash for cutting greenhouse gases: That offer may be coming soon in Australia, where vast numbers of the nonnative, methane-belching animals have been trampling the Outback for more than a century.

The government has proposed that killing camels be officially registered as a means of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Australia has the world’s largest population of wild camels — an estimated 1.2 million — and considers them to be a growing environmental problem.

The proposal, released for public comment this week, would allow sharpshooters to earn so-called carbon credits for slaughtering camels. Industrial polluters around the world could buy the credits to offset their own carbon emissions.

Re: NASA Scientist "Irresponsible to Say" G Warmin
 

I will notify Marlboro Man. He needs the money for Marlboros
Camels are unfiltered.