Faith Healing Conviction
 

couple convicted of not providing medical care to daughter because of faith. conservative wackos is my opinion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_873337.html

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I always have mixed feelings about stuff like this. It is my understanding that the parents were doing what they thought best for their child. In a way their freedom to practice their religion was abridged. I also like the idea that the government can step in when the welfare of a child is concerned. But, this can become a very slippery slope if a child is not being taught the philosophy that is being mandated by the government through the government school system.

I look at it a little differently than some. I think if an adult chooses to refuse medical help, that person has the right to do so, but when a child is concerned, I am glad to see the government step in and over ride the parents rights to raise their child the way they believe.

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Tough call.

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So, they were convicted because of their "convictions", eh? I thought the prayer of faith, (James 5: 14-15) if offered in true faith, was supposed to heal the sick, and forgive any presumed sin causing the ailment.

So, the couple gambled that they had "true faith," but it wasn't true enough to prevent the government from identifying a failure and intervening on humanitarian grounds? Or is God expecting the couple to go jail for their faith, since He chose not to heal the child so far? The child will at least be "healed" in the next life, eh?

OR, if they were REAL apostolics, the results would have been better?

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At the age of 2, my Dad almost let me die of pneumonia before my Grandpa scooped me up and took me to the doctor who then personally carried me across the street to the ER. (I say "my Dad" because it was mostly his decision to not go to the doctor.) Dr. Richard of Sulphur, LA, (pronounced "ree-shard" - the same doctor who later saw my girls when they were little) was VERY angry with my parents--and rightfully so. Parents sometimes do stupid things with good intentions.

Oddly enough, after two days comatose in the hospital, Bro. Carl Ballestero walked into the room, and I opened my eyes and sat up in bed before he even prayed for me. I was really young, but I actually remember Bro. Ballestero appearing in the door of my hospital room. I was sent home from the hospital that same day.

Apparently God had healing in mind, but maybe He was also teaching my parents a lesson?????

I share the anger at parents who let their child[ren] die, but at the same time, I understand how confused people can be when their religion demands something impossible of them.

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Interesting.

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I don't think people are stupid for preaching some things many of us old timers remember the day...however sometimes our good intentions are not enough we must use common sense...but when a person is taught day in and day our doctors are wrong and it is a lasck of faith to go to one...there is a struggle in the mind...no one wants to displease God...and if we are taught something long enough it seems the right thing to do even at the cost of death!
We must pray for wisdom and leading from the Holy Spirit and ask God to help us help others that are lead down a dangerous path.
I know JW people that lost their love ones over their blood message...

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Exactly. People are faced with what they perceive to be a choice between God and temporal things, even something so precious as the life of a child.

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Why can't you take your child to the doctor WHILE believing God for the miracle?

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This is what reasonable people do. We aren't talking about reasonable people.

Some people are taught that it's a lack of faith to go to a doctor, and that not having faith in God is a sin. Further, they are taught that God will decide who lives and dies, so if someone dies with or without seeing a doctor it was God's will. So then they are forced to choose between their child and sinning.

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Okay. Thanks for that.

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Thank you for that testimony

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Jesus said that a sick person needs a doctor in Matthew 9:12

Solomon said that medicine does good in Proverbs 17:22

Proverbs 18:9 says: “He who does not use his endeavors to heal himself is brother to him who commits suicide.”


If you are Roman Catholic or have an old King James Bible, or a 1611 King James Bible, or a Jerusalem Bible, or a New English Bible or a LXX Bible or a NRSV Bible, you have a book in the Old Testament called Sirach or Ecclesiasticus or Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach.Below are some verses from chapter 38 of that book. We have read these verses to people (Roman Catholic) in hospitals or in their homes when we pray for them.


1 Honour physicians for their services,
for the Lord created them;
2 for their gift of healing comes from the Most High,
and they are rewarded by the king.
3 The skill of physicians makes them distinguished,
and in the presence of the great they are admired.
4The Lord created medicines out of the earth,
and the sensible will not despise them.
5 Was not water made sweet with a tree
in order that its power might be known?
6 And he gave skill to human beings
that he might be glorified in his marvellous works.
7 By them the physician heals and takes away pain;
8 the pharmacist makes a mixture from them.
God’s works will never be finished;
and from him health spreads over all the earth.
9 My child, when you are ill, do not delay,
but pray to the Lord, and he will heal you.
10 Give up your faults and direct your hands rightly,
and cleanse your heart from all sin.
11 Offer a sweet-smelling sacrifice, and a memorial portion of choice flour,
and pour oil on your offering, as much as you can afford.
12 Then give the physician his place, for the Lord created him;
do not let him leave you, for you need him.
13 There may come a time when recovery lies in the hands of physicians,
14 for they too pray to the Lord
that he will grant them success in diagnosis
and in healing, for the sake of preserving life.
15 A man sins in the eyes of his Maker
if he defies the physician.

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I knew people that "died trusting God"...us oldies remember that reasoning...wish they were with us now to help us on the journey...however they chose that route...thinking they were honoring God and His word.
My sister almost died time and time again when she was little...we did what was preached and our pastor preached what he was taught...so it was all sincere...however in my opinion today it is sincerely wrong to need help from a doctor and not get it if you can.
God can and does heal...most of us KNOW that to be a fact...why all are not healed I personally don't know...I am not God...but have the opinion GOD seems to help them that help themselves...
I know people that are brainwashed into certain doctrines...that have NOTHING to do with the Bible...
I am sure I do many things not because they are in themselves right or wrong...we all have our lifestyle...likes and dislikes...

I learned a long time ago that some people preach certain things to be a sin because THEY don't like them....lol....
Many times I get the good book out and read and read on different subjects...we need to read more, pray more and find good people and chose them as friends...

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"A lot of our convictions are preferences, and that is all right. But don't impose your preference upon someone and call it holiness."
page 259 of "The Main Thing Is To Keep The Main Thing The Main Thing" by T.F. Tenney, copyright 1993 by Word Aflame Press

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Throw down the gauntlet of faith when you alone are concerned but never test your do-or-die faith on your children. You may very well end up in prison. Not God's plan or his will.

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When Lee Stoneking was raised from the dead, he was in the care of doctors at a hospital. But, at one point, his friends stopped the doctors from doing what they thought needed to be done (immediate surgery). They said "No, we'll pray." And the rest is history.

http://leestoneking.com/My%20Miracle.htm

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LS, stated that the ONE and only reason he was not DOA is because "HE died that I might live... And I am alive because of His Death, His Life, His Love, and His Mercy To God Be The Glory!"

I praise God Lee is alive and well today. However, for me that statement brings more questions than answers...

HE died that I might live... does that infer Lee will not succumb to death? Or that other saints don't have the same power over physical death (those who are "DOA")?

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Amen!

One can be certain that I would be praying out loud for my kids or wife as I was rushing them to the hospital or waiting for the ambulance to arrive after calling 911. I WOULD be trusting God -what choice would I have? But I would also be waiting for the paramedics to arrive.